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Canes1968 said:
ILCane2011 said:
With the new recruiting rules that go with the early signing period, it seems like there is a hard cap of 25 scholarships per class.

The Big 12 president just went on record and said that's his understanding, so no more ability to take more than that, even if you have the space.

I'm guessing our coaches are well aware of this, which is why (for example) we're only looking to take 1 LB.

So with a class that's almost full, how could anyone be disappointed by the turnout? They clearly were focusing on the 19 and 20 kids, where we crushed it in terms of getting guys here
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I don't think this is accurate. The new rule effectively eliminates oversigning (i.e., gray shirts and blue shirts), but does not prevent you from counting EE's back to the previous year to the extent that you were under the 25 and 85 limits in the previous year.
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Read this article. Big 12 commish seems to think its a 25 max now. Maybe I'm ,misunderstanding it though

Bob Bowlsby thinks the NCAA should blow up signing day (again) - FootballScoop
 
motorcitycane said:
We got our guys this year. We lead for more targets.

But as always never count a staff out. No talked about Jeff Thomas on this board until late December to be honest. So never rule out getting a surprise big time commit late in the game. Especially now that early signing is here and we can see who real and who fake.
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I did but it was lukewarm because no one else was
 
Mallory going to be like Evan Engram his freshman year. Oversized slot guy that made a lot of plays down the seam because he was a mismatch.
 
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ILCane2011 said:
Canes1968 said:
ILCane2011 said:
With the new recruiting rules that go with the early signing period, it seems like there is a hard cap of 25 scholarships per class.

The Big 12 president just went on record and said that's his understanding, so no more ability to take more than that, even if you have the space.

I'm guessing our coaches are well aware of this, which is why (for example) we're only looking to take 1 LB.

So with a class that's almost full, how could anyone be disappointed by the turnout? They clearly were focusing on the 19 and 20 kids, where we crushed it in terms of getting guys here
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I don't think this is accurate. The new rule effectively eliminates oversigning (i.e., gray shirts and blue shirts), but does not prevent you from counting EE's back to the previous year to the extent that you were under the 25 and 85 limits in the previous year.
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Read this article. Big 12 commish seems to think its a 25 max now. Maybe I'm ,misunderstanding it though

Bob Bowlsby thinks the NCAA should blow up signing day (again) - FootballScoop
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Previous NCAA rules allowed schools to sign up to 28 kids to NLI's, but you could still only have 25 initial counters. This lead to the invention of gray shirts. The new rule only allows you to sign 25, but doesn't affect the EE rules, which basically just Allow schools to always fully utilize their 25 per year alottment to the extent that the school has attrition.

The new rule on does away with gray shirts.
 
Mr. Dynasty1 said:
Besides our current recruits, camp seems like a Dud
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Had Michael Irvin, Devin Hester, Willis McGahee, Najeh Davenport, Calais Campbell, Vince Wilfork, Jeremy Shockey, Antrel Rolle, Kenny Phillips, Jon Beason, DJ Williams, Bryant McKinnie & Brett Romberg as the Coaches, and oh yeah.. The greatest Safety in NFL history Ed Reed as the guest speaker.

Lorenzo Lingard, Al Blades Jr, Josh Jobe, DJ Ivey, Gurvan Hall, Mark Pope, Delone Scaife, Cleveland Reed, Nesta Silvera, Will Mallory, Daquris Wiggins & John Campbell all attended.

Plus, great 2019 QB's like Zamar Wise & Taisun Phommachanh showed up & performed well.

There were several other high profile 2019 prospects like Jashawn Sheffield, Michael Tarquin, Jessiah Pierre etc., were there as well.

We also got a commit from a 2019 4-star OT in Brandon Cunningham, who has great upside & is a big strong athletic kid.

The difference is, last year more people knew about the 2018 class, so they were more excited about who showed up.
This year, most on here don't really know too many 2019 kids, so it doesn't appear to be as impressive.

Also, this year the staff was a lot more stringent with the invites, they didn't just let any prospect show up, so it was a smaller amount of players this year.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to say this year's Paradise was a "dud" to me is simply choosing to look at it negatively.

I think it was a **** of an event & it will continue to be a great tradition for Miami, the likes of which we haven't had before.
 
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Liberty City El said:
Mr. Dynasty1 said:
Besides our current recruits, camp seems like a Dud
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Had Michael Irvin, Devin Hester, Willis McGahee, Najeh Davenport, Calais Campbell, Vince Wilfork, Jeremy Shockey, Antrel Rolle, Kenny Phillips, Jon Beason, DJ Williams, Bryant McKinnie & Brett Romberg as the Coaches, and oh yeah.. The greatest Safety in NFL history Ed Reed as the guest speaker.

Lorenzo Lingard, Al Blades Jr, Josh Jobe, DJ Ivey, Gurvan Hall, Mark Pope, Delone Scaife, Cleveland Reed, Nesta Silvera, Will Mallory, Daquris Wiggins & John Campbell all attended.

Plus, great 2019 QB's like Zamar Wise & Taisun Phommachanh showed up & performed well.

There were several other high profile 2019 prospects like Jashawn Sheffield, Michael Tarquin, Jessiah Pierre etching, were there as well.

We also got a commit from a 2019 4-star OT in Brandon Cunningham, who has great upside & is a big strong athletic kid.

The difference is, last year more people knew about the 2018 class, so they were more excited about who showed up.
This year, most on here don't really know too many 2019 kids, so it doesn't appear to be as impressive.

Also, this year the staff was a lot more stringent with the invites, they didn't just let any prospect show up, so it was a smaller amount of players this year.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to say this year's Paradise was a "dud" to me is simply choosing to look at it negatively.

I think it was a **** of an event & it will continue to be a great tradition for Miami, the likes of which we haven't had before.
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Exactly, liberty city el always dropping facts. You a real one bruh straight up
 
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Liberty City El said:
Mr. Dynasty1 said:
Besides our current recruits, camp seems like a Dud
Click to expand...
Had Michael Irvin, Devin Hester, Willis McGahee, Najeh Davenport, Calais Campbell, Vince Wilfork, Jeremy Shockey, Antrel Rolle, Kenny Phillips, Jon Beason, DJ Williams, Bryant McKinnie & Brett Romberg as the Coaches, and oh yeah.. The greatest Safety in NFL history Ed Reed as the guest speaker.

Lorenzo Lingard, Al Blades Jr, Josh Jobe, DJ Ivey, Gurvan Hall, Mark Pope, Delone Scaife, Cleveland Reed, Nesta Silvera, Will Mallory, Daquris Wiggins & John Campbell all attended.

Plus, great 2019 QB's like Zamar Wise & Taisun Phommachanh showed up & performed well.

There were several other high profile 2019 prospects like Jashawn Sheffield, Michael Tarquin, Jessiah Pierre etching, were there as well.

We also got a commit from a 2019 4-star OT in Brandon Cunningham, who has great upside & is a big strong athletic kid.

The difference is, last year more people knew about the 2018 class, so they were more excited about who showed up.
This year, most on here don't really know too many 2019 kids, so it doesn't appear to be as impressive.

Also, this year the staff was a lot more stringent with the invites, they didn't just let any prospect show up, so it was a smaller amount of players this year.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to say this year's Paradise was a "dud" to me is simply choosing to look at it negatively.

I think it was a **** of an event & it will continue to be a great tradition for Miami, the likes of which we haven't had before.
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Well said.
 
Liberty City El said:
Mr. Dynasty1 said:
Besides our current recruits, camp seems like a Dud
Click to expand...
Had Michael Irvin, Devin Hester, Willis McGahee, Najeh Davenport, Calais Campbell, Vince Wilfork, Jeremy Shockey, Antrel Rolle, Kenny Phillips, Jon Beason, DJ Williams, Bryant McKinnie & Brett Romberg as the Coaches, and oh yeah.. The greatest Safety in NFL history Ed Reed as the guest speaker.

Lorenzo Lingard, Al Blades Jr, Josh Jobe, DJ Ivey, Gurvan Hall, Mark Pope, Delone Scaife, Cleveland Reed, Nesta Silvera, Will Mallory, Daquris Wiggins & John Campbell all attended.

Plus, great 2019 QB's like Zamar Wise & Taisun Phommachanh showed up & performed well.

There were several other high profile 2019 prospects like Jashawn Sheffield, Michael Tarquin, Jessiah Pierre etc., were there as well.

We also got a commit from a 2019 4-star OT in Brandon Cunningham, who has great upside & is a big strong athletic kid.

The difference is, last year more people knew about the 2018 class, so they were more excited about who showed up.
This year, most on here don't really know too many 2019 kids, so it doesn't appear to be as impressive.

Also, this year the staff was a lot more stringent with the invites, they didn't just let any prospect show up, so it was a smaller amount of players this year.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to say this year's Paradise was a "dud" to me is simply choosing to look at it negatively.

I think it was a **** of an event & it will continue to be a great tradition for Miami, the likes of which we haven't had before.
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Forgot to mention Gregory Rousseau, Kayode Oladele & Davoan Hawkins were there too.

2020 Chantz Williams, Jalen Rivers & Don Chaney (The Phenom).
 
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It looked ******' amazing on the social media machines. That matters almost as much as anything else.

Oh. And we had elite talent coached by NFL legends.

Storm 18 got a chance to build bonds. We impress and continue to build relationships with the '19 and '20 kids.

Win, win, win, win, win.

And Richt was right with the "Paradise Camp" thing. Great theme, on brand, plays well. Richt da gawd right now.
 
The difference between this year and last:

Pope
Lingawd
Jeudy
X. Williams
That OL that ended up at Bama IIRC
Hightower
Davis, etc

The big deal last year was that these kids were even on Miami's campus at all. Last year was the first time it felt like we had a pulse in forever. But I remember within a week I was back to moping it up, specifically about Lingard.

"Nothing's changed. Kid ain't coming. It was another hype bubble. Silly me."

The difference is that this year most of those kids are already committed. There can't be the same type of buzz anymore. We can't get good feels when Josh Jobe shows up because he's already committed. We can't get freaked out over Lo's positivity because he's running this ship like Grand Admiral Thrawn. We just got a OOS top 247 OT (!) for 2019 and everyone yawned. THAT'S where we are now. We had Murderer's Row of former players on campus and some of y'all who have been screaming for E20 to be on staff hit the snooze button and rolled over.

A dead man's first breath coming back to life is his most significant. After a year breathing normally he's taking it for granted like the rest of humanity. That's where we are right now: a year into breathing like normal.
 
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IndayArtHauz said:
The difference between this year and last:

Pope
Lingawd
Jeudy
X. Williams
That OL that ended up at Bama IIRC
Hightower
Davis, etc

The big deal last year was that these kids were even on Miami's campus at all. Last year was the first time it felt like we had a pulse in forever. But I remember within a week I was back to moping it up, specifically about Lingard.

"Nothing's changed. Kid ain't coming. It was another hype bubble. Silly me."

The difference is that this year most of those kids are already committed. There can't be the same type of buzz anymore. We can't get good feels when Josh Jobe shows up because he's already committed. We can't get freaked out over Lo's positivity because he's running this ship like Grand Admiral Thrawn. We just got a OOS top 247 OT (!) for 2019 and everyone yawned. THAT'S where we are now. We had Murderer's Row of former players on campus and some of y'all who have been screaming for E20 to be on staff hit the snooze button and rolled over.

A dead man's first breath coming back to life is his most significant. After a year breathing normally he's taking it for granted like the rest of humanity. That's where we are right now: a year into breathing like normal.
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Alex Leatherwood was the 5-star Bama OL & you get major props from me for the Admiral Thrawn reference lol

But I agree with everything you said, I guess it's just a matter of perspective for some of our fans, 'cause we all know if Folden were still here NONE of these kids or Alumni would even think about wasting their time coming to camp with us, especially in this capacity.

Also, less media coverage probably played a part in it as well.
 
Canes1968 said:
brock said:
calinative umstudent said:
brock said:
This camp served its purpose.
Have our commits create even stronger bonds
Having our legends around our guys
Putting in work in both the 2019 and 2020 class

I know we probably won't get plenty of commits from the camp but when you realize how many elite kids we have committed that doesn't even matter tbh.... In years past these kids would be uncommitted however now we got so many elite committed like a pope, jobe, hall, blades, scaife, lingard, mallory and a host of others. They are already committed

We have 19 commits already with room for about 8-9 more
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see us adding max of like 7 more players to this class
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We are like 10 scholarship spots under 85. We have a lot of space. That's why I see us taking like 27-28 kids
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Yep, 28 is the max we can take. Not sure if we do it though.
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We have 76 scholarship players (could be 77 depending on if Willis' scholarship is already counted - which would just be given to a walkon), 10 of which are seniors and graduating no matter what. That means we have either 18 or 19 open spots....lets just assume 19

That would mean the most EE's we can possibly backcount is 9 or less (most likely less) just purely based on available space alone. That would mean according to the initial counter limit per class the most we could sign is actually 34. However we also can only backcount 2018 EE's until the initial counter for 2017 reaches 25. Basically unless you have all the info, its really hard to know this, and it gets complicated. More than likely I'd say 5 would be a good guess, especially since we signed over 25 in 2017. Either way, I'd bet this is still 30+, so we really don't have to worry about the initial counter limit.

However without any attrition between now and NSD, the most we could possibly sign is 19 according to the full 85 man counter, Otherwise we are officially oversigning, which is not good. That means for every recruit over 19 we sign, we have to have someone leave due to attrition. To get a class of 28 that would mean 9 guys leaving, which is a lot. I don't think it'd be crazy to lose 10 from attrition, but regardless I don't think it'd be smart to oversign too much in this class. It's best to keep as close to 25 as possible, Especially since every player we take in this class reduces the already small number we will take in 2019.
 
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