Incoming DT Transfer

[Canes91]

What defensive system did this kid play in at Illinois?

I'm not 100% b/c I never watched Illinois, but their HC always ran a 4-3 Cover 2 scheme in the NFL. He helped pioneer the "Tampa 2" for the Bucs, and he carried it over to the Bears. I'm pretty sure that's the system he was in there.

Ok appreciate the info

 

[The Franchise]

Illinois DT situation better than Miami is crazy....this kids experience could possibly help early in the rotation or push others to excel??? still need to land two more DTs to go with Nesta...IMO

Who said that Illinois has a stronger DT unit than UM?
Did I miss something?

Dummy logic said it. Dummies think if a guy transfers it’s because he can’t play where he was and is going somewhere with less players.

 

[Ammok]

Listening to his interview I'm sure that wasn't the only thing pounding on him on a weekly basis.

[video=youtube;wfk5QxBe2Z8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfk5QxBe2Z8[/video]

Sounds likes a nervous young man not used to camera limelight. That's all. BFD

 

[The Franchise]

I don't even care if he can talk at all. No interest in listening to that interview. Whether that man sucks dyck or eats pvssy or is a fcking eunuch I don't care.

He put up equal numbers to Norton in a similar system probably playing significantly less snaps and being surrounded by nowhere near the players Norton was surrounded with. He graded out very similar to Norton according to PFF too. He came into college as a 240 pound guy, so his best days at DT are ahead of him. This guy will be a great addition to this club.

 

[BLUE PHI CANE]

Christian Wilkins *** grabs meats and hits splits but I bet yal will take him on the team ASAP! Cut the **** and welcome the young man

 

[RomeoJunior]

It doesn't matter whether he's an initial counter for 2017 or 2018. What matters is we can only bring in 28 NEW players because only 3 can be applied to the 2017 class. It doesn't matter if its him or an EE being applied to the 2017 initial counter limit.

It matters because the time to use 2017 initial counters expires. If we did have 3 spots left it's the sooner, the better. Otherwise, they're gone. To be more specific, the rules state that they expire THIS SEMESTER,...and UM's Spring registration closes Jan 24th,...which is 3 days from now.

I'm assuming he will be on campus by then and ready to go for Spring ball.

After that,...they pretty much wont count summer beginners, but there is some gray area (you can replace even SUMMER graduates with initial counters that roll back to the previous year,...whatever that really means).

If you know a way to use these 2017 spots beyond anyone being able to enroll now then by all means, please share.

 

[Calinative]

It doesn't matter whether he's an initial counter for 2017 or 2018. What matters is we can only bring in 28 NEW players because only 3 can be applied to the 2017 class. It doesn't matter if its him or an EE being applied to the 2017 initial counter limit.

It matters because the time to use 2017 initial counters expires. If we did have 3 spots left it's the sooner, the better. Otherwise, they're gone. To be more specific, the rules state that they expire THIS SEMESTER,...and UM's Spring registration closes Jan 24th,...which is 3 days from now.

I'm assuming he will be on campus by then and ready to go for Spring ball.

After that,...they pretty much wont count summer beginners, but there is some gray area. If you know a way to use these 2017 spots beyond anyone being able to enroll now then by all means, please share.

Bruh don't try to school me on **** you clearly don't understand yourself. we have 11 EEs. Any 3 of them can be applied to the 2017 recruiting class's initial limit. Meaning those remaining spots, regardless how many there are on the initial counter limit for 2017, will be used.

 

[RomeoJunior]

Bruh don't try to school me on **** you clearly don't understand yourself.

No need to be sensitive,...I'm always eager to learn.

we have 11 EEs. Any 3 of them can be applied to the 2017 recruiting class's initial limit.

#1 If I were to take that 3 as true, simply because you say so, then that would drop us down to 25 fresh spots.

So long as we aren't expiring any spots (WHICH IS THE GOAL), it doesn't matter.


#2 I wouldn't at all be surprised if the 2016 handbook rules -- which are different than this year's, btw. -- swallowed one of the 22 you're 100% sure went to the 2017 class. Maybe it was really 21 instead of 22?

The fact that you'd rather blow your cool than list all 22 that most certainly were not snuck into the 2016 class basically makes my point for me.

I mean ****,...Ed Orgeron's compliance gang just failed at counting a transferred kicker elsewhere, and were forced to count him in 2018. If LSU's compliance can get things wrong, I'm sure a few guys on a message board can, too.

It's not as simple as throwing a number up and moving forward.

If you're not willing to go over EVERY SINGLE NAME or provide a link or somethin where it lists all 22 of them and the month/semester they started their athletic scholie....then readers here should take take claims like "we only have 3" with a grain of salt, settle down, and trust the coaches.


It's not THIS graduate transfer that will use up an initial counter. ANY and ALL graduated transfer receiving athletic aid are going to have to use an initial counter spot somewhere,....so unless you're completely against the entire concept of it, complaining about it is circular and a waste.

 

[RomeoJunior]

Since you weren't able to tell me where the 3 was coming from, I had to go it alone:

24 2017 Signings,....The 1st 10 enrolled early and did not count as I.C.'s (which was fun,but this is an OLD rule from the 2016 Handbook, that we cant benefit from next December),...the remaining 14 hard counted against the 25..

1. Dykstra 11.
2. Zalontae Hillery 12.
3. Derrick Smith 13.
4. Zach Feagles 14.
5. Corey Gaynor 15.
6. Jon Ford 16.
7. De'Andre Wilder 17.
8. Mike Harley 18.
9. Jhavonte Dean 19.
10. Trajan Bandy 20.
11. Kai-Leon Herbert 21.
12.N'Kosi Perry 22.
13. Jeff Thomas 23.
14. D.J. Johnson 24.


which left 11,...NOT 3.

We reportedly again brought in 10 EEs,...Which left 1 spot open that was going to be a wasted scholie and roster spot,...and one they obviously did not want to blow 5 years on with someone that was not worthy.

So guess who they decided to give it to?? This kid,...which makes 11 and DOES NOT COUNT against February's 25.

He only counted against the one spot that was set to expire come Jan 24th (per UM's calendar) anyway.

From my vantage point, the 85 is the concern come February if talent comes pouring in, NOT the 25. That 85 # along with common sense are what will limit us. We can get who we want in February,...as well as later,...and this kid has no effect whatsoever. He's a kid that was simply lucky enough to find out we had a spot open that we didnt want to use or waste.

Since the 25 is not a concern we can again back-count next December.

The realization of what's going on also explains why someone like Saban whines so much about the earlier starts kids are getting with EEs and an early signing period. Saban plucked 7 EEs last year,...5 this year. He's getting the best of the best,...though not necessarily kids bright enough to qualify early

He says he has the kids in mind,...but the truth is, schools like Miami having the ability to get twice as many in early on a yearly basis does nothing to serve his own interests.

I've really retired from the day-to-day regarding recruiting,...but on a #'s basis....Richt and Co. could not have managed this expiring rule where midyear enrollees dont handicap your 25 (they do now) any better.

 

[canes614]

Illinois DT situation better than Miami is crazy....this kids experience could possibly help early in the rotation or push others to excel??? still need to land two more DTs to go with Nesta...IMO

Who said that Illinois has a stronger DT unit than UM?
Did I miss something?

Dummy logic said it. Dummies think if a guy transfers it’s because he can’t play where he was and is going somewhere with less players.

29 tackles ...obviously the kid played alot..I said he can help early....he lost his starting spot to underclassman tho....Delaney was supposed to be big-time???? Everytime Miami gets a transfer fans over react without waiting to see them perform in a Miami uniform...also, saying Illinois has a better DT situation is giving him props....why let a productive player leave without having quality depth?

 

[The Franchise]

Illinois DT situation better than Miami is crazy....this kids experience could possibly help early in the rotation or push others to excel??? still need to land two more DTs to go with Nesta...IMO

Who said that Illinois has a stronger DT unit than UM?
Did I miss something?

Dummy logic said it. Dummies think if a guy transfers it’s because he can’t play where he was and is going somewhere with less players.

29 tackles ...obviously the kid played alot..I said he can help early....he lost his starting spot to underclassman tho....Delaney was supposed to be big-time???? Everytime Miami gets a transfer fans over react without waiting to see them perform in a Miami uniform...also, saying Illinois has a better DT situation is giving him props....why let a productive player leave without having quality depth?

They didn't "let" him leave. He graduated and left.

 

[Canes1968]

Since you weren't able to tell me where the 3 was coming from, I had to go it alone:

24 2017 Signings,....The 1st 10 enrolled early and did not count as I.C.'s (which was fun,but this is an OLD rule from the 2016 Handbook, that we cant benefit from next December),...the remaining 14 hard counted against the 25..

1. Dykstra 11.
2. Zalontae Hillery 12.
3. Derrick Smith 13.
4. Zach Feagles 14.
5. Corey Gaynor 15.
6. Jon Ford 16.
7. De'Andre Wilder 17.
8. Mike Harley 18.
9. Jhavonte Dean 19.
10. Trajan Bandy 20.
11. Kai-Leon Herbert 21.
12.N'Kosi Perry 22.
13. Jeff Thomas 23.
14. D.J. Johnson 24.


which left 11,...NOT 3.

We reportedly again brought in 10 EEs,...Which left 1 spot open that was going to be a wasted scholie and roster spot,...and one they obviously did not want to blow 5 years on with someone that was not worthy.

So guess who they decided to give it to?? This kid,...which makes 11 and DOES NOT COUNT against February's 25.

He only counted against the one spot that was set to expire come Jan 24th (per UM's calendar) anyway.

From my vantage point, the 85 is the concern come February if talent comes pouring in, NOT the 25. That 85 # along with common sense are what will limit us. We can get who we want in February,...as well as later,...and this kid has no effect whatsoever. He's a kid that was simply lucky enough to find out we had a spot open that we didnt want to use or waste.

Since the 25 is not a concern we can again back-count next December.

The realization of what's going on also explains why someone like Saban whines so much about the earlier starts kids are getting with EEs and an early signing period. Saban plucked 7 EEs last year,...5 this year. He's getting the best of the best,...though not necessarily kids bright enough to qualify early

He says he has the kids in mind,...but the truth is, schools like Miami having the ability to get twice as many in early on a yearly basis does nothing to serve his own interests.

I've really retired from the day-to-day regarding recruiting,...but on a #'s basis....Richt and Co. could not have managed this expiring rule where midyear enrollees dont handicap your 25 (they do now) any better.

Everything about this post is inaccurate. You clearly don't understand the rules around initial counters.

 

[skeeter]

29 tackles ...obviously the kid played alot..I said he can help early....he lost his starting spot to underclassman tho....Delaney was supposed to be big-time???? Everytime Miami gets a transfer fans over react without waiting to see them perform in a Miami uniform...also, saying Illinois has a better DT situation is giving him props....why let a productive player leave without having quality depth?

You do know how grad transfers work right?