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Calinative said:
Arroyo would 100% start over Noah Gray. It's simply a fact though to state IF the Chiefs drafted him given what round it must occur, that it would obviously be with the intention of him being at least a TE2 and he had Mahomes and Reid which significantly helps. The idea that they'd draft him in 2nd or 3rd and he'd be no more than a TE3 is ridiculous. And stating Grays stats is actually just evidence of why Arroyo would be a valuable draft addition. And we know the higher you are drafted it significantly increased is teams will give endless opportunities to produce...

I already agreed on the 49ers point.

Texans I specifically pointed to Shultzs contract being voidable next year and how he is going to make top 4 money even though his production isn't close to being worth that. TE is a position that they can absolutely upgrade at. Will they idk. Also they fired Slowik, so we will see how much Lazor changes.

Your point about target share and incentive based contacts is almost entirely irrelevant to a TE on a rookie contact though. After his rookie contract, sure. Until that is up the only big contractual escalator is if he gets pro bowls or all pros which could increases his 4th yr salary by a lot, however given the production of Bowers, McBride, Kittle, LaPorta, etc, is not very likely anyway... like I don't even think LaPorta or Bowers had any real impactful incentives other than the PPE they will receive in yr 4 for making all-pro+pro bowl.. if your using that argument to say others will have priority over him, is just say that draft status is also a pecking order and teams absolutely want to get production out of top 3 round picks.


Obviously his BEST fit is somewhere he will start asap lol. I'm just pointing out some scenarios where it would still be a good situation even if he wasnt 100% starting.
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My point about target share & incentive based contracts wasn't for the rookie TE, it was to highlight that the other guys on Offense have money at stake & the pecking order within an Offense leaves a TE2 with the short end of the stick when it comes to getting the ball.

And again, you're assuming he would start ahead of Noah Gray, but if Kelce doesn't retire & with the return of Rashee Rice & whatever other Free agent WR's they sign in the offseason, the likelihood that a rookie TE3 is going to get a significant percentage of the target share is slim to none.

You keep missing the point because you're not looking at it clearly.

There's only maybe 2 or 3 TE2's in the entire league who are actually putting up numbers. If Arroyo gets drafted somewhere that already has an established TE starting, he's not going to get the ball that often.
 
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kccanefan said:
It's amazing how much talent we had on offense. It's seriously like this program is snake bit to have one of the most terrible defenses we've ever fielded in the same year to cost us the playoffs and possible natty.
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Damiencane86 said:
Exactly. Chiefs, Bills, Washington as examples could all stand to take him late 1st.
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Bills wont take another TE. They have 2 good ones already plus Shakir in the slot.

Denver, Cincy, CAR would be where he should want to end up.
 
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Memnon said:
He needs to go to a team where he can legitimately be a TE1.

TE2's barely get any targets & going somewhere where there's already an established TE1 would just start him off on the wrong foot coming into his rookie season.

Kelce, Kittle & dudes like that are not retiring anytime soon, if he goes to be a TE2 behind those types he'll hardly ever play.
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Kelce "not retiring anytime soon"? He has played 12 seasons and will be 36 this fall. He absolutely will be retiring soon. Might not be for another year. His brother played 13 seasons.

Chiefs should take Arroyo, give him a year to learn under Kelce, and then turn over the job full-time.
 
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JHallCanes said:
Up 21-7 and then Jordan Lyle takes over for Damien Martinez who was unstoppable at the time and we can’t even get a first down

Can’t imagine how Dawson had all these 2nd quarter struggles when we kept taking one of our best players off the field because he had 5 carries
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I remember posting in the game day thread that this needs to be a Damien Martinez game, But Dawson thought otherwise. Still makes me mad that we didn’t lean on him up 21-0
 
I wouldn’t be surprised if Indy takes him. Early in the second if he can last til their pick. Know you guys won’t like it cause of Richardson at QB lol
 
DPCane said:
I remember posting in the game day thread that this needs to be a Damien Martinez game, But Dawson thought otherwise. Still makes me mad that we didn’t lean on him up 21-0
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I’m all for running back rotations and keeping people fresh

But how about we just drop the hammer on teams when we have a lead and then those guys rest in the 4th quarter anyway especially RBs that do better with more carries and rhythm

Ugh. Something that has driven me insane since Mario got here
 
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Memnon said:
My point about target share & incentive based contracts wasn't for the rookie TE, it was to highlight that the other guys on Offense have money at stake & the pecking order within an Offense leaves a TE2 with the short end of the stick when it comes to getting the ball.

And again, you're assuming he would start ahead of Noah Gray, but if Kelce doesn't retire & with the return of Rashee Rice & whatever other Free agent WR's they sign in the offseason, the likelihood that a rookie TE3 is going to get a significant percentage of the target share is slim to none.

You keep missing the point because you're not looking at it clearly.

There's only maybe 2 or 3 TE2's in the entire league who are actually putting up numbers. If Arroyo gets drafted somewhere that already has an established TE starting, he's not going to get the ball that often.
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It’s okay we can just completely disagree about the chiefs point lol.

I am assuming he would start over Gray because he is better, and same way you’re saying there would be a pecking order due to incentives that pushes TE2s down, I’m saying drafting a TE in the 2nd or even 3rd would raise Arroyo up. It is just a fact that IF the Chiefs were to draft him it would NOT be with the intention of him being TE3, period. And given he’d be a top 100 pick, he WILL get many opportunities to prove himself.

Kelce may have another year or two, but it is also a fact that his regular season production has significantly decreased. It’s fine cause the Chiefs don’t really care about that anymore. If they can just get him to perform at a high level in playoffs they’re fine. But Kelce isn’t going to play for too much longer, and it’s absolutely realistic they could be looking for a future replacement.

I’m not missing any point lol. I even said before your response that IF your point was about the incentives affecting the pecking order in regards to other players my opposing point is that being a high draft pick also is a pecking order thing that guarantees opportunity. I understand that a TE2 won’t get the ball as much as a TE1 and even many TE1s aren’t super involved. But it's also the case that almost every time a Team has a starting caliber (at least solid) TE on the roster then drafts a TE highly, they usually find a way to get both on the field pretty often. ... However what I was doing is pointing out the places where TE2s DO still play a lot IN CASE that is a team he were to get drafted to. But at the end of the day any team that drafts him in the 2nd round if that’s where he is taken is almost assuredly taking him with the intention of him winning the starting TE1 job.
 
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