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If we self impose after a UVA win...

Larry said it best in another thread. Basically it has to be about the MIAMI players and coaches. They've worked extremely hard to have his opportunity and they shouldn't give it away because of what a con man said he did. A con man.
 
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Golden won't lose the team because it won't be his decision. I'm sure he will be just as ****ed at the kids would possibly be, so I don't buy that they would just shut down.

Maybe they'd start playing with a chip on their shoulder.
 
Could care less what it would mean to the rest of a season where we've already lost 4 games and would have to play FSU again in the ACCCG...where a loss would send us to a substandard, meaningless bowl game.

Only the administration knows exactly how much the NCAA has on us...if there is even a greater than 10% chance that we get another bowl ban they must self impose. The freshman and sophomores might not like missing a bowl game this year but those same underclassmen might transfer if the NCAA hits us with another bowl ban or 2 and we DON'T self impose this year.

Get the cloud out from over us as soon as possible. If you tell me we'd have a chance for something greater than POSSIBLY winning the WORST conferences in America...then I'd listen. Reality however is that the possible reward isn't worth the possible risk. Opportunity cost.
 
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Jedi Master Cane said:
Could care less what it would mean to the rest of a season where we've already lost 4 games and would have to play FSU again in the ACCCG...where a loss would send us to a substandard, meaningless bowl game.

Only the administration knows exactly how much the NCAA has on us...if there is even a greater than 10% chance that we get another bowl ban they must self impose. The freshman and sophomores might not like missing a bowl game this year but those same underclassmen might transfer if the NCAA hits us with another bowl ban or 2 and we DON'T self impose this year.

Get the cloud out from over us as soon as possible. If you tell me we'd have a chance for something greater than POSSIBLY winning of of the WORST conferences in America...then I'd listen. Reality however is that the possible reward isn't worth the possible risk. Opportunity cost.
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The cloud ain't leaving because we self imposed a second ban, something no team has done EVER. The cloud ain't leaving because we haven't been served with a NOA yet. The cloud isn't leaving till sanctions come and penalties start. Self imposing doesn't remove the cloud, it only is a sign of good faith.

While I agree the administration knows more, where do you come up with 10%? Where you come up with the reward isn't worth the risk.

Newsflash: Miami hasn't done jack **** since 2003. We have been a team unable to win the Coastal. We are a team that hasn't sniffed a BCS game in a long time. Now we can, now we have the OPPORTUNITY to do so in year 2 of Golden. Too me that outweighs any cost in not taking a second self imposed ban. In addition, the NCAA only considers self imposed sanctions as a sign of good faith, nothing is definitive. They can still hit us with whatever they want.

Let me repeat there is no NOA yet, there is no information out there that is deemed credible on the investigation. No team has ever self imposed a second band. We haven't won the ACC ever, we haven't won the coastal either.

We have 3 games left this year and 2 in the ACC. If we qualify for the ACCCG then I am going based on the little information out there. If we don't make the ACCCG then self impose another ban if that is what Mike Glazier and the administration thinks is best.

We all know we have 4 losses, we also realize we can do something we have never done. Bring on FSU, if we get the opportunity to play them again, let's dance.

You talk about "something greater" but we need to win the ACC Coastal first, nothing is guaranteed (not this year or next). You want to remove the cloud, win games and shut the haters up. You want to achieve something greater, then make the ACCCG and beat FSU. Represent the ACC after winning the division and try to get double digit victories and our first bowl win since _____.
 
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if we self impose, that would make us even worse with recruits with all the BSPN and the media.

recruits won't understand we are doing this to "salvage" our future. they would just know Miami is guilty.
 
Consigliere said:
Jedi Master Cane said:
Could care less what it would mean to the rest of a season where we've already lost 4 games and would have to play FSU again in the ACCCG...where a loss would send us to a substandard, meaningless bowl game.

Only the administration knows exactly how much the NCAA has on us...if there is even a greater than 10% chance that we get another bowl ban they must self impose. The freshman and sophomores might not like missing a bowl game this year but those same underclassmen might transfer if the NCAA hits us with another bowl ban or 2 and we DON'T self impose this year.

Get the cloud out from over us as soon as possible. If you tell me we'd have a chance for something greater than POSSIBLY winning of of the WORST conferences in America...then I'd listen. Reality however is that the possible reward isn't worth the possible risk. Opportunity cost.
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The cloud ain't leaving because we self imposed a second ban, something no team has done EVER. The cloud ain't leaving because we haven't been served with a NOA yet. The cloud isn't leaving till sanctions come and penalties start. Self imposing doesn't remove the cloud, it only is a sign of good faith.

While I agree the administration knows more, where do you come up with 10%? Where you come up with the reward isn't worth the risk.

Newsflash: Miami hasn't done jack **** since 2003. We have been a team unable to win the Coastal. We are a team that hasn't sniffed a BCS game in a long time. Now we can, now we have the OPPORTUNITY to do so in year 2 of Golden. Too me that outweighs any cost in not taking a second self imposed ban. In addition, the NCAA only considers self imposed sanctions as a sign of good faith, nothing is definitive. They can still hit us with whatever they want.

Let me repeat there is no NOA yet, there is no information out there that is deemed credible on the investigation. No team has ever self imposed a second band. We haven't won the ACC ever, we haven't won the coastal either.

We have 3 games left this year and 2 in the ACC. If we qualify for the ACCCG then I am going based on the little information out there. If we don't make the ACCCG then self impose another ban if that is what Mike Glazier and the administration thinks is best.

We all know we have 4 losses, we also realize we can do something we have never done. Bring on FSU, if we get the opportunity to play them again, let's dance.
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Risk/reward is this. We could not self impose. Roll into the ACC title game, beat FSU, and go to BCS game. The NCAA could then come out give us sanctions and time served for the bowl game missed last year.

We could also go to the ACC title game and get drilled by FSU and then head to some ****** bowl. The NCAA then comes out and hits us with a 2 year bowl ban instead of one and we are sitting here ****ed for 2013.

Of those two scenarios the 2nd one is the most likely. If we could win out from here. Self impose and to me its an easy sell to players, fans, and recruits that we are a very much improving 8-4 football team that doesn't have to worry about any more threats of post season bans.
 
ssj4cane said:
Consigliere said:
Jedi Master Cane said:
Could care less what it would mean to the rest of a season where we've already lost 4 games and would have to play FSU again in the ACCCG...where a loss would send us to a substandard, meaningless bowl game.

Only the administration knows exactly how much the NCAA has on us...if there is even a greater than 10% chance that we get another bowl ban they must self impose. The freshman and sophomores might not like missing a bowl game this year but those same underclassmen might transfer if the NCAA hits us with another bowl ban or 2 and we DON'T self impose this year.

Get the cloud out from over us as soon as possible. If you tell me we'd have a chance for something greater than POSSIBLY winning of of the WORST conferences in America...then I'd listen. Reality however is that the possible reward isn't worth the possible risk. Opportunity cost.
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The cloud ain't leaving because we self imposed a second ban, something no team has done EVER. The cloud ain't leaving because we haven't been served with a NOA yet. The cloud isn't leaving till sanctions come and penalties start. Self imposing doesn't remove the cloud, it only is a sign of good faith.

While I agree the administration knows more, where do you come up with 10%? Where you come up with the reward isn't worth the risk.

Newsflash: Miami hasn't done jack **** since 2003. We have been a team unable to win the Coastal. We are a team that hasn't sniffed a BCS game in a long time. Now we can, now we have the OPPORTUNITY to do so in year 2 of Golden. Too me that outweighs any cost in not taking a second self imposed ban. In addition, the NCAA only considers self imposed sanctions as a sign of good faith, nothing is definitive. They can still hit us with whatever they want.

Let me repeat there is no NOA yet, there is no information out there that is deemed credible on the investigation. No team has ever self imposed a second band. We haven't won the ACC ever, we haven't won the coastal either.

We have 3 games left this year and 2 in the ACC. If we qualify for the ACCCG then I am going based on the little information out there. If we don't make the ACCCG then self impose another ban if that is what Mike Glazier and the administration thinks is best.

We all know we have 4 losses, we also realize we can do something we have never done. Bring on FSU, if we get the opportunity to play them again, let's dance.
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Risk/reward is this. We could not self impose. Roll into the ACC title game, beat FSU, and go to BCS game. The NCAA could then come out give us sanctions and time served for the bowl game missed last year.

We could also go to the ACC title game and get drilled by FSU and then head to some ****ty bowl. The NCAA then comes out and hits us with a 2 year bowl ban instead of one and we are sitting here ****ed for 2013.

Of those two scenarios the 2nd one is the most likely. If we could win out from here. Self impose and to me its an easy sell to players, fans, and recruits that we are a very much improving 8-4 football team that doesn't have to worry about any more threats of post season bans.
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I was about to agree with you 100%, but NO! **** you. I'm stoked about the U playing in the Music City or Belk Bowl in the middle of December! That would be ******* awesome!
 
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I think we just say **** it and play the acccg and the bowl game. We keep self imposong which they say helps and i believe the.ncaa.will just see that as we are admitting guilt. Play the game like last years ban was.more than enough and.just win. **** Shapiro, **** KW, and **** the NCAA.
 
ssj4cane said:
Risk/reward is this. We could not self impose. Roll into the ACC title game, beat FSU, and go to BCS game. The NCAA could then come out give us sanctions and time served for the bowl game missed last year.

We could also go to the ACC title game and get drilled by FSU and then head to some ****ty bowl. The NCAA then comes out and hits us with a 2 year bowl ban instead of one and we are sitting here ****ed for 2013.

Of those two scenarios the 2nd one is the most likely. If we could win out from here. Self impose and to me its an easy sell to players, fans, and recruits that we are a very much improving 8-4 football team that doesn't have to worry about any more threats of post season bans.
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177% assumption, could be right but an assumption. You have no information, I have no information. Also the first thing or the second thing, the NCAA could say no need for another post-season ban. We don't know, we have zero information. Let's not assume we will lose to FSU, let's not assume that a second post season ban guarantees anything either other than good faith. We don't know, we haven't been served with a NOA yet.

Also, sell it to the fans. We have an incredibly stupid fan base who for the most part has not been able to rationally handle anything during this whole process, all of the sudden they will understand. These are the same fans that know more then the coaches about everything. They either get it or they don't. Past coaching staffs have made errors in judgment, you either understand that the new staff has nothing to do with that or you don't. These are the same fans that still belong to Canesport which is owned by Yahoo (the enemy), the same fans that still defend RS as a coach. I don't care if they understand or not.
 
Jeepinjimmy said:
I think we just say **** it and play the acccg and the bowl game. We keep self imposong which they say helps and i believe the.ncaa.will just see that as we are admitting guilt. Play the game like last years ban was.more than enough and.just win. **** Shapiro, **** KW, and **** the NCAA.
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I'm with you. I think worst case is we get 1 more and have to take it next year. we can still keep the 2013 class intact IMO. the actual sanctions are better than the unknown
 
we go to the ACC championship game, we lose (but not get blown out), and we go to a toilet bowl.

but because the school's nose has been inside the NCAA's **** for a while, the one bowl we forfeited should suffice.

the university made new (stricter) rules prohibiting student athlete/booster contact a year ago (remember that email from hurricane athletics?)

things like that and other things we have done to appease the NCAA, not to mention the connection of Dee and NCAA, we shouldn't get nuked.

but who knows?
 
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Hypothetical question: Miami wins the coastal, Miami knows they are going to get a 2 year bowl ban. Everyone would want to self impose this year and start fresh for 2013, correct?

Fwiw, I think the administration is going to get every possible bit of info from the NCAA that they can and think they will make a good informed decision that is the best for the program in the future.
 
DiegoCane said:
Hypothetical question: Miami wins the coastal, Miami knows they are going to get a 2 year bowl ban. Everyone would want to self impose this year and start fresh for 2013, correct?

Fwiw, I think the administration is going to get every possible bit of info from the NCAA that they can and think they will make a good informed decision that is the best for the program in the future.
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And why does everyone think self-imposing (if we do) is going to kill the 2013 recruiting class? It didn't for 2012 and Golden has been on the '13 kids for 2 years now.

You know every other school is negatively recruiting the **** out of us now so not sure what difference it would make.
 
We have to take the bowl ban because there is no way we get 4 bowl bans because PSU got that and if we get 3 it would be over next year.
 
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