I know tensions are running....

[Gatorhater]

Recruit enough NFL 1 st round picks and even Larry Coker can win a NC. It looks like Al is a real good recruiter, except he seems to think differently. He claims the absolutely horrible defense we are forced to watch is the players fault. Not one word of blame for a coach except the generic "I take responsibility." Plus we had a huge amount of drop out from his early classes. I accept that this class is his first that is a fairer measure of post NCAA expectations. At the same time, three years in So Fl and the only great player we have added is Duke. And you would have had to shot that kid to keep him from THE U. I think he is a great recruiter. I also think he is really good at other aspects of being a HC.

But, I think he is blind to the fact that good enough for Temple is not the test of good enough for THE U. If you look at the coaches he hire that were not from Temple, it looks like he has an eye for coaching talent. Compare that to the loyal band of followers from Temple and you fall off a cliff. He picks Jeb from nowhere and boom, NFL OC in two years. Hurlie has been an automatic recruiting beast. Coley is a question mark but my what a recruiter.

Anyone who thinks it is a great thing to lose Al is, well stupid. Howard was the only big time hire THE U ever got. All the others where not THE coach. We have gotten turned down by tons of coaches. We need Al, but we need him to realize where he is. He publicly jumped on Duke Johnson, the one great player we have, for two fumbles on the goal line against USF. Okay, I accepted that as a clear message that nobody is untouchable. Duke is an outstanding man and took it like one. Here is the rub. Mark's defense gives up two FIVE HUNDRED YARDS in row against chumps and all we hear is "Mark is working hard." That ****es me off beyond belief. I have defended Al endlessly, but if you can pitch Duke Johnson under the bus buy you better pitch your boy toy under there too. At least a "Mark has GOT to do better than this!" If not, then two more great Al recruiting classes and then send him and boy toy to Happy Valley.

 

[QuadCityCane]

The jury is certainly out. Golden has yet to recruit a single recruiting class on an even playing field. When he got the job in December, Miami has three commits. Three. Its November right now and we have 27. Think about that. There was no recruiting class to "save." He had to start from scratch against winning programs that had been recruiting the same kids for 2 years. Every other class since then has been under the NCAA cloud. And what he inherited from Shannon was a roster devoid of a lot of talent and full of head cases. Even this one until recently. And remember we're at 75 'ships right now. We're essentially on probation.

He gets a long leash with me. This program could have easily imploded. In fact, it should have. A bad team with bad kids heading not only into the sensationalized Yahoo **** and an NCAA investigation, but a nearly THREE YEAR NCAA investigation. We should have regressed. Instead I see a lot of promising young talent and a nice class coming in.

As for the on the field performance, I see an offense that is missing some pieces (again, we're playing at 75) and is being affected by injuries and depth, but is very close. On defense the talent is really, really problematic at a number of positions, especially the DL. But I see a lot of talent coming in, and I am EXCITED about what AG and Co. can do on the trail in '15 with the NCAA shackles off (well, we will actually be on probation with slightly limited scholarships... AG can't catch a break).

Winning is CFB is a margin game. Playing with 75, missing some key pieces because of a reduced roster and depth, those are game-changers.

Are there coaching problems, especially on defense? **** yes. Are the HC and DC culpable if the scheme isn't working? Yes, and they are. Should the position coaches and the kids be held more accountable for how many kids are out of position and make mentals? I certainly think so.

The coaching needs to improve. A LOT. Before you reply with a bunch of nonsense, read that again and remember I said it, ok? But even more so does the talent on defense. This article really summed up a lot of what I have been saying since before the year. We really have a JAG defense right now, full of guys who won't sniff the NFL, especially on the DL. In CFB its pretty simple sometimes. No pass rush, no defense. It exposes every defensive player.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...ws-from-evaluators-dolphins-heat-marlins.html

I call BS. Because the fact remains, really good coaches(which is the point I am arguing that Golden isn't one) will still make tangible improvements of the roster they have. Does Art Briles have some star studded roster that he has taken to a #4 ranking? Or did he show up and start coaching the **** out the roster he had? We all know that answer.

Golden has not made one single player significantly better in 3 years. Not one. Quit with the excuses. You were wrong with Coker(you scoffed at all who wanted him gone), you were late to see Shannon for the **** that he was and, at least you are consistent in being wrong, you are wrong on Golden. He is a putz. His record indicates that.

You call BS? Art Briles did not just come in and make Baylor significantly better. 4-8, 4-8, 7-6(year 3), 10-3, 8-5, and now in his 6th year they are 9-0. Please stop making stuff up to support your argument. I'm not arguing Briles is not a good coach, but these guys everyone keeps referencing are not miracle workers.

 

[The Franchise]

Shanntard had some very highly rated recruiting classes too. He got fired with them. And then everyone claimed the cupboard was bare after all those highly ranked classes of his. Pretty sure C0cker had some very highly ranked classes too. Again, everyone claimed the cupboard was bare for Shanntard.

I'm tired of all this purported stockpiling of recruits. Just start coaching them up and getting some results.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

You were wrong with Coker(you scoffed at all who wanted him gone), you were late to see Shannon for the **** that he was and, at least you are consistent in being wrong, you are wrong on Golden. He is a putz. His record indicates that.

I was right with Coker....thought he was a terrible hire (although I can understand why they did it). The extention was especially terrible. Was against the Shannon hire from day 1...proven correct.

Although the product on the field the last couple weeks is a setback, I feel Al will righ the ship.

 

[The Franchise]

The jury is certainly out. Golden has yet to recruit a single recruiting class on an even playing field. When he got the job in December, Miami has three commits. Three. Its November right now and we have 27. Think about that. There was no recruiting class to "save." He had to start from scratch against winning programs that had been recruiting the same kids for 2 years. Every other class since then has been under the NCAA cloud. And what he inherited from Shannon was a roster devoid of a lot of talent and full of head cases. Even this one until recently. And remember we're at 75 'ships right now. We're essentially on probation.

He gets a long leash with me. This program could have easily imploded. In fact, it should have. A bad team with bad kids heading not only into the sensationalized Yahoo **** and an NCAA investigation, but a nearly THREE YEAR NCAA investigation. We should have regressed. Instead I see a lot of promising young talent and a nice class coming in.

As for the on the field performance, I see an offense that is missing some pieces (again, we're playing at 75) and is being affected by injuries and depth, but is very close. On defense the talent is really, really problematic at a number of positions, especially the DL. But I see a lot of talent coming in, and I am EXCITED about what AG and Co. can do on the trail in '15 with the NCAA shackles off (well, we will actually be on probation with slightly limited scholarships... AG can't catch a break).

Winning is CFB is a margin game. Playing with 75, missing some key pieces because of a reduced roster and depth, those are game-changers.

Are there coaching problems, especially on defense? **** yes. Are the HC and DC culpable if the scheme isn't working? Yes, and they are. Should the position coaches and the kids be held more accountable for how many kids are out of position and make mentals? I certainly think so.

The coaching needs to improve. A LOT. Before you reply with a bunch of nonsense, read that again and remember I said it, ok? But even more so does the talent on defense. This article really summed up a lot of what I have been saying since before the year. We really have a JAG defense right now, full of guys who won't sniff the NFL, especially on the DL. In CFB its pretty simple sometimes. No pass rush, no defense. It exposes every defensive player.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...ws-from-evaluators-dolphins-heat-marlins.html

I call BS. Because the fact remains, really good coaches(which is the point I am arguing that Golden isn't one) will still make tangible improvements of the roster they have. Does Art Briles have some star studded roster that he has taken to a #4 ranking? Or did he show up and start coaching the **** out the roster he had? We all know that answer.

Golden has not made one single player significantly better in 3 years. Not one. Quit with the excuses. You were wrong with Coker(you scoffed at all who wanted him gone), you were late to see Shannon for the **** that he was and, at least you are consistent in being wrong, you are wrong on Golden. He is a putz. His record indicates that.

You call BS? Art Briles did not just come in and make Baylor significantly better. 4-8, 4-8, 7-6(year 3), 10-3, 8-5, and now in his 6th year they are 9-0. Please stop making stuff up to support your argument. I'm not arguing Briles is not a good coach, but these guys everyone keeps referencing are not miracle workers.

It's Baylor, man. Come on. When's the last time they won anything. You dudes with low expectations for UM love comparing UM to middling programs like Michigan State and perennial doormats like Baylor to make your points for your cult leader, Corch Koresh.

Look at marquee programs and how quickly top coaches turn them around. Tressell at Ohio State. Carroll at USC. Saban at LSU and Bama. Stoops at OU. Meyer at uf.ag. It's usually a 2 or 3 year process tops.

 

[QuadCityCane]

The jury is certainly out. Golden has yet to recruit a single recruiting class on an even playing field. When he got the job in December, Miami has three commits. Three. Its November right now and we have 27. Think about that. There was no recruiting class to "save." He had to start from scratch against winning programs that had been recruiting the same kids for 2 years. Every other class since then has been under the NCAA cloud. And what he inherited from Shannon was a roster devoid of a lot of talent and full of head cases. Even this one until recently. And remember we're at 75 'ships right now. We're essentially on probation.

He gets a long leash with me. This program could have easily imploded. In fact, it should have. A bad team with bad kids heading not only into the sensationalized Yahoo **** and an NCAA investigation, but a nearly THREE YEAR NCAA investigation. We should have regressed. Instead I see a lot of promising young talent and a nice class coming in.

As for the on the field performance, I see an offense that is missing some pieces (again, we're playing at 75) and is being affected by injuries and depth, but is very close. On defense the talent is really, really problematic at a number of positions, especially the DL. But I see a lot of talent coming in, and I am EXCITED about what AG and Co. can do on the trail in '15 with the NCAA shackles off (well, we will actually be on probation with slightly limited scholarships... AG can't catch a break).

Winning is CFB is a margin game. Playing with 75, missing some key pieces because of a reduced roster and depth, those are game-changers.

Are there coaching problems, especially on defense? **** yes. Are the HC and DC culpable if the scheme isn't working? Yes, and they are. Should the position coaches and the kids be held more accountable for how many kids are out of position and make mentals? I certainly think so.

The coaching needs to improve. A LOT. Before you reply with a bunch of nonsense, read that again and remember I said it, ok? But even more so does the talent on defense. This article really summed up a lot of what I have been saying since before the year. We really have a JAG defense right now, full of guys who won't sniff the NFL, especially on the DL. In CFB its pretty simple sometimes. No pass rush, no defense. It exposes every defensive player.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...ws-from-evaluators-dolphins-heat-marlins.html

I call BS. Because the fact remains, really good coaches(which is the point I am arguing that Golden isn't one) will still make tangible improvements of the roster they have. Does Art Briles have some star studded roster that he has taken to a #4 ranking? Or did he show up and start coaching the **** out the roster he had? We all know that answer.

Golden has not made one single player significantly better in 3 years. Not one. Quit with the excuses. You were wrong with Coker(you scoffed at all who wanted him gone), you were late to see Shannon for the **** that he was and, at least you are consistent in being wrong, you are wrong on Golden. He is a putz. His record indicates that.

You call BS? Art Briles did not just come in and make Baylor significantly better. 4-8, 4-8, 7-6(year 3), 10-3, 8-5, and now in his 6th year they are 9-0. Please stop making stuff up to support your argument. I'm not arguing Briles is not a good coach, but these guys everyone keeps referencing are not miracle workers.

It's Baylor, man. Come on. When's the last time they won anything. You dudes with low expectations for UM love comparing UM to middling programs like Michigan State and perennial doormats like Baylor to make your points for your cult leader, Corch Koresh.

Look at marquee programs and how quickly top coaches turn them around. Tressell at Ohio State. Carroll at USC. Saban at LSU and Bama. Stoops at OU. Meyer at uf.ag. It's usually a 2 or 3 year process tops.

I dont have mediocre expectations, I have realistic expectations. If you think the situation Golden walked into is anything remotely close to the coaches and teams you just mentioned, no amount of reasoning is going to change your mind. We held 2 teams under 400 yards last year and that was S Florida and Bethune Cookman. The defense was pretty decent the first half of the season, but we stunk up the joint the last 3 weeks. We held 1 team under 200 yards,1 under 250 yards and 1 with 288 yards. 3 teams with 288 yards or less this year. 5 TOs against Florida. The best we did last year was 358 to S Florida.

Just to reiterate, yes we sucked the last 3 weeks on defense. But we have seen improvement this year.

 

[drifters1234]

Recruit enough NFL 1 st round picks and even Larry Coker can win a NC. It looks like Al is a real good recruiter, except he seems to think differently. He claims the absolutely horrible defense we are forced to watch is the players fault. Not one word of blame for a coach except the generic "I take responsibility." Plus we had a huge amount of drop out from his early classes. I accept that this class is his first that is a fairer measure of post NCAA expectations. At the same time, three years in So Fl and the only great player we have added is Duke. And you would have had to shot that kid to keep him from THE U. I think he is a great recruiter. I also think he is really good at other aspects of being a HC.

But, I think he is blind to the fact that good enough for Temple is not the test of good enough for THE U. If you look at the coaches he hire that were not from Temple, it looks like he has an eye for coaching talent. Compare that to the loyal band of followers from Temple and you fall off a cliff. He picks Jeb from nowhere and boom, NFL OC in two years. Hurlie has been an automatic recruiting beast. Coley is a question mark but my what a recruiter.

Anyone who thinks it is a great thing to lose Al is, well stupid. Howard was the only big time hire THE U ever got. All the others where not THE coach. We have gotten turned down by tons of coaches. We need Al, but we need him to realize where he is. He publicly jumped on Duke Johnson, the one great player we have, for two fumbles on the goal line against USF. Okay, I accepted that as a clear message that nobody is untouchable. Duke is an outstanding man and took it like one. Here is the rub. Mark's defense gives up two FIVE HUNDRED YARDS in row against chumps and all we hear is "Mark is working hard." That ****es me off beyond belief. I have defended Al endlessly, but if you can pitch Duke Johnson under the bus buy you better pitch your boy toy under there too. At least a "Mark has GOT to do better than this!" If not, then two more great Al recruiting classes and then send him and boy toy to Happy Valley.

Quality post.

 

[The Franchise]

I dont have mediocre expectations, I have realistic expectations. If you think the situation Golden walked into is anything remotely close to the coaches and teams you just mentioned, no amount of reasoning is going to change your mind. We held 2 teams under 400 yards last year and that was S Florida and Bethune Cookman. The defense was pretty decent the first half of the season, but we stunk up the joint the last 3 weeks. We held 1 team under 200 yards,1 under 250 yards and 1 with 288 yards. 3 teams with 288 yards or less this year. 5 TOs against Florida. The best we did last year was 358 to S Florida.

Just to reiterate, yes we sucked the last 3 weeks on defense. But we have seen improvement this year.

You have low expectations. It's OK, man. I can sympathize with you because I fully indoctrinated in Corch Koresh's cult. I was lucky enough to be de-programmed by the last 5 or 6 weeks of continued horseshyt football.

Here's why you have low expectations. You keep saying that Koresh took over a catastrophic situation and keep pointing to the god awful results that he's achieved in order to support your theory. Unfortunately, what you're doing is using the present corches' incompetence to attempt to show that what they inherited justifies those horrific results.

Then, in a true cult member move, you're making up lies to protect him. You're neglecting to tell the world about the miserable opponents we faced in the first half of the season as we were racking up those "great" defensive numbers. I saw no mention of Savannah State or FAU or USF. Yet, when you were attempting to show how much worse last year's defense was, you mentioned Bethune and USF.

More cult flavors ooze from your post when you attempt to turn this into a 3 week hiccup for the defense. Did you see the UNC game? Did you see us not cover anyone in the entire first half of the Wake game and have them put up more points against us than they have in their last several games combined?

Study some college football history. All of those programs that I mentioned shared one thing in common--they were all down for longer than UM was when Corch Koresh took over. So, spare me the bullshyt about those programs being in such better shape than UM was when Koresh took over. All those programs were firmly entrenched in the toilet when those coaches took over and immediately turned their fortunes. UM's last NC was closer in time than any of those programs when those coaches took over versus when Koresh took over UM.

Like I said, I have empathy for you, friend. We're here for you and will help you through the transition away from the cult.

 

[QuadCityCane]

I dont have mediocre expectations, I have realistic expectations. If you think the situation Golden walked into is anything remotely close to the coaches and teams you just mentioned, no amount of reasoning is going to change your mind. We held 2 teams under 400 yards last year and that was S Florida and Bethune Cookman. The defense was pretty decent the first half of the season, but we stunk up the joint the last 3 weeks. We held 1 team under 200 yards,1 under 250 yards and 1 with 288 yards. 3 teams with 288 yards or less this year. 5 TOs against Florida. The best we did last year was 358 to S Florida.

Just to reiterate, yes we sucked the last 3 weeks on defense. But we have seen improvement this year.

You have low expectations. It's OK, man. I can sympathize with you because I fully indoctrinated in Corch Koresh's cult. I was lucky enough to be de-programmed by the last 5 or 6 weeks of continued horseshyt football.

Here's why you have low expectations. You keep saying that Koresh took over a catastrophic situation and keep pointing to the god awful results that he's achieved in order to support your theory. Unfortunately, what you're doing is using the present corches' incompetence to attempt to show that what they inherited justifies those horrific results.

Then, in a true cult member move, you're making up lies to protect him. You're neglecting to tell the world about the miserable opponents we faced in the first half of the season as we were racking up those "great" defensive numbers. I saw no mention of Savannah State or FAU or USF. Yet, when you were attempting to show how much worse last year's defense was, you mentioned Bethune and USF.

More cult flavors ooze from your post when you attempt to turn this into a 3 week hiccup for the defense. Did you see the UNC game? Did you see us not cover anyone in the entire first half of the Wake game and have them put up more points against us than they have in their last several games combined?

Study some college football history. All of those programs that I mentioned shared one thing in common--they were all down for longer than UM was when Corch Koresh took over. So, spare me the bullshyt about those programs being in such better shape than UM was when Koresh took over. All those programs were firmly entrenched in the toilet when those coaches took over and immediately turned their fortunes. UM's last NC was closer in time than any of those programs when those coaches took over versus when Koresh took over UM.

Like I said, I have empathy for you, friend. We're here for you and will help you through the transition away from the cult.

Keep throwing insults to cover up your misinformation.
I'll just point out one because you keep making **** up to fit your argument. You say Ohio State before Tressel was down longer than us? In the toilet you say?
We havent had a double digit win season in 10 years. Tressel took over in 2001, in 1993 they were 11-1, 1996 11-1, 1998 11-1. Unless 11-1 counts as the toilet I would say you are wrong.

But hey whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[The Franchise]

I dont have mediocre expectations, I have realistic expectations. If you think the situation Golden walked into is anything remotely close to the coaches and teams you just mentioned, no amount of reasoning is going to change your mind. We held 2 teams under 400 yards last year and that was S Florida and Bethune Cookman. The defense was pretty decent the first half of the season, but we stunk up the joint the last 3 weeks. We held 1 team under 200 yards,1 under 250 yards and 1 with 288 yards. 3 teams with 288 yards or less this year. 5 TOs against Florida. The best we did last year was 358 to S Florida.

Just to reiterate, yes we sucked the last 3 weeks on defense. But we have seen improvement this year.

You have low expectations. It's OK, man. I can sympathize with you because I fully indoctrinated in Corch Koresh's cult. I was lucky enough to be de-programmed by the last 5 or 6 weeks of continued horseshyt football.

Here's why you have low expectations. You keep saying that Koresh took over a catastrophic situation and keep pointing to the god awful results that he's achieved in order to support your theory. Unfortunately, what you're doing is using the present corches' incompetence to attempt to show that what they inherited justifies those horrific results.

Then, in a true cult member move, you're making up lies to protect him. You're neglecting to tell the world about the miserable opponents we faced in the first half of the season as we were racking up those "great" defensive numbers. I saw no mention of Savannah State or FAU or USF. Yet, when you were attempting to show how much worse last year's defense was, you mentioned Bethune and USF.

More cult flavors ooze from your post when you attempt to turn this into a 3 week hiccup for the defense. Did you see the UNC game? Did you see us not cover anyone in the entire first half of the Wake game and have them put up more points against us than they have in their last several games combined?

Study some college football history. All of those programs that I mentioned shared one thing in common--they were all down for longer than UM was when Corch Koresh took over. So, spare me the bullshyt about those programs being in such better shape than UM was when Koresh took over. All those programs were firmly entrenched in the toilet when those coaches took over and immediately turned their fortunes. UM's last NC was closer in time than any of those programs when those coaches took over versus when Koresh took over UM.

Like I said, I have empathy for you, friend. We're here for you and will help you through the transition away from the cult.

Keep throwing insults to cover up your misinformation.
I'll just point out one because you keep making **** up to fit your argument. You say Ohio State before Tressel was down longer than us? In the toilet you say?
We havent had a double digit win season in 10 years. Tressel took over in 2001, in 1993 they were 11-1, 1996 11-1, 1998 11-1. Unless 11-1 counts as the toilet I would say you are wrong.

But hey whatever helps you sleep at night.

Again, in cult member fashion, you pluck out a couple isolated records and leave out all the struggles. When was the last Ohio Taint NC before Tressell took over? Did John Cooper retire, or did Ohio Taint fire him? If they fired him, why did the fire him if he kept hanging up 11 win seasons every year?

 

[QuadCityCane]

Yeah they fired him after 12 years. Not 3. We have been below average/average for 10 years. If anyone was in the toilet we were. At least they have 3, 11-1 seasons in the 10 years prior to Tressel taking over.

Even my favorite coach ever, Jimmy Johnson, who took over a team that had just won a National Title took 3 years and 3 bowl losses before winning a title in year 4. The jury is still out on whether or not Golden is the man for the job but you expect miracles that are not based in reality.

 

[Southcane]

The jury is certainly out. Golden has yet to recruit a single recruiting class on an even playing field. When he got the job in December, Miami has three commits. Three. Its November right now and we have 27. Think about that. There was no recruiting class to "save." He had to start from scratch against winning programs that had been recruiting the same kids for 2 years. Every other class since then has been under the NCAA cloud. And what he inherited from Shannon was a roster devoid of a lot of talent and full of head cases. Even this one until recently. And remember we're at 75 'ships right now. We're essentially on probation.

He gets a long leash with me. This program could have easily imploded. In fact, it should have. A bad team with bad kids heading not only into the sensationalized Yahoo **** and an NCAA investigation, but a nearly THREE YEAR NCAA investigation. We should have regressed. Instead I see a lot of promising young talent and a nice class coming in.

As for the on the field performance, I see an offense that is missing some pieces (again, we're playing at 75) and is being affected by injuries and depth, but is very close. On defense the talent is really, really problematic at a number of positions, especially the DL. But I see a lot of talent coming in, and I am EXCITED about what AG and Co. can do on the trail in '15 with the NCAA shackles off (well, we will actually be on probation with slightly limited scholarships... AG can't catch a break).

Winning is CFB is a margin game. Playing with 75, missing some key pieces because of a reduced roster and depth, those are game-changers.

Are there coaching problems, especially on defense? **** yes. Are the HC and DC culpable if the scheme isn't working? Yes, and they are. Should the position coaches and the kids be held more accountable for how many kids are out of position and make mentals? I certainly think so.

The coaching needs to improve. A LOT. Before you reply with a bunch of nonsense, read that again and remember I said it, ok? But even more so does the talent on defense. This article really summed up a lot of what I have been saying since before the year. We really have a JAG defense right now, full of guys who won't sniff the NFL, especially on the DL. In CFB its pretty simple sometimes. No pass rush, no defense. It exposes every defensive player.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...ws-from-evaluators-dolphins-heat-marlins.html

I call BS. Because the fact remains, really good coaches(which is the point I am arguing that Golden isn't one) will still make tangible improvements of the roster they have. Does Art Briles have some star studded roster that he has taken to a #4 ranking? Or did he show up and start coaching the **** out the roster he had? We all know that answer.

Golden has not made one single player significantly better in 3 years. Not one. Quit with the excuses. You were wrong with Coker(you scoffed at all who wanted him gone), you were late to see Shannon for the **** that he was and, at least you are consistent in being wrong, you are wrong on Golden. He is a putz. His record indicates that.

You call BS? Art Briles did not just come in and make Baylor significantly better. 4-8, 4-8, 7-6(year 3), 10-3, 8-5, and now in his 6th year they are 9-0. Please stop making stuff up to support your argument. I'm not arguing Briles is not a good coach, but these guys everyone keeps referencing are not miracle workers.

It's Baylor, man. Come on. When's the last time they won anything. You dudes with low expectations for UM love comparing UM to middling programs like Michigan State and perennial doormats like Baylor to make your points for your cult leader, Corch Koresh.

Look at marquee programs and how quickly top coaches turn them around. Tressell at Ohio State. Carroll at USC. Saban at LSU and Bama. Stoops at OU. Meyer at uf.ag. It's usually a 2 or 3 year process tops.

Here lies the problem. At this time, we are not a marquee program. We used to be one. Our last championship was 12 years ago and since which, the foundation of this program slowly rotting. The kids we are recruiting now were 3-5 years old when we were relevant. It's sad, but it is a reality.

 

[The Franchise]

Yeah they fired him after 12 years. Not 3. We have been below average/average for 10 years. If anyone was in the toilet we were. At least they have 3, 11-1 seasons in the 10 years prior to Tressel taking over.

Even my favorite coach ever, Jimmy Johnson, who took over a team that had just won a National Title took 3 years and 3 bowl losses before winning a title in year 4. The jury is still out on whether or not Golden is the man for the job but you expect miracles that are not based in reality.

Keep gulping that Kool Aid. You're a loyal minion, fella. I'm sure Al is looking to make you Captain of the 23rd sector and give you your wings if you keep this up. Way to go comparing the great Jimmy Johnson to Corch Al. The guy was kicking *** his 2nd year here and never looked back. Your boss still can't stop anyone 3 years in including vomitous teams like UNC, Weak, VT and Puke.

You're spending all this time rabidly defending your boss, yet you claim the jury's still out on him. If you're not convinced he's the man for the job, then why are you constantly bugging out over him? Tell me why you're not convinced he's the man for the job.

P.S. Triple LULZ at expecting to hold horrible ACC offenses in check as expecting miracles. You just gave up your troll cover with that one, Ms. Golden.

 

[The Franchise]

The jury is certainly out. Golden has yet to recruit a single recruiting class on an even playing field. When he got the job in December, Miami has three commits. Three. Its November right now and we have 27. Think about that. There was no recruiting class to "save." He had to start from scratch against winning programs that had been recruiting the same kids for 2 years. Every other class since then has been under the NCAA cloud. And what he inherited from Shannon was a roster devoid of a lot of talent and full of head cases. Even this one until recently. And remember we're at 75 'ships right now. We're essentially on probation.

He gets a long leash with me. This program could have easily imploded. In fact, it should have. A bad team with bad kids heading not only into the sensationalized Yahoo **** and an NCAA investigation, but a nearly THREE YEAR NCAA investigation. We should have regressed. Instead I see a lot of promising young talent and a nice class coming in.

As for the on the field performance, I see an offense that is missing some pieces (again, we're playing at 75) and is being affected by injuries and depth, but is very close. On defense the talent is really, really problematic at a number of positions, especially the DL. But I see a lot of talent coming in, and I am EXCITED about what AG and Co. can do on the trail in '15 with the NCAA shackles off (well, we will actually be on probation with slightly limited scholarships... AG can't catch a break).

Winning is CFB is a margin game. Playing with 75, missing some key pieces because of a reduced roster and depth, those are game-changers.

Are there coaching problems, especially on defense? **** yes. Are the HC and DC culpable if the scheme isn't working? Yes, and they are. Should the position coaches and the kids be held more accountable for how many kids are out of position and make mentals? I certainly think so.

The coaching needs to improve. A LOT. Before you reply with a bunch of nonsense, read that again and remember I said it, ok? But even more so does the talent on defense. This article really summed up a lot of what I have been saying since before the year. We really have a JAG defense right now, full of guys who won't sniff the NFL, especially on the DL. In CFB its pretty simple sometimes. No pass rush, no defense. It exposes every defensive player.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...ws-from-evaluators-dolphins-heat-marlins.html

I call BS. Because the fact remains, really good coaches(which is the point I am arguing that Golden isn't one) will still make tangible improvements of the roster they have. Does Art Briles have some star studded roster that he has taken to a #4 ranking? Or did he show up and start coaching the **** out the roster he had? We all know that answer.

Golden has not made one single player significantly better in 3 years. Not one. Quit with the excuses. You were wrong with Coker(you scoffed at all who wanted him gone), you were late to see Shannon for the **** that he was and, at least you are consistent in being wrong, you are wrong on Golden. He is a putz. His record indicates that.

You call BS? Art Briles did not just come in and make Baylor significantly better. 4-8, 4-8, 7-6(year 3), 10-3, 8-5, and now in his 6th year they are 9-0. Please stop making stuff up to support your argument. I'm not arguing Briles is not a good coach, but these guys everyone keeps referencing are not miracle workers.

It's Baylor, man. Come on. When's the last time they won anything. You dudes with low expectations for UM love comparing UM to middling programs like Michigan State and perennial doormats like Baylor to make your points for your cult leader, Corch Koresh.

Look at marquee programs and how quickly top coaches turn them around. Tressell at Ohio State. Carroll at USC. Saban at LSU and Bama. Stoops at OU. Meyer at uf.ag. It's usually a 2 or 3 year process tops.

Here lies the problem. At this time, we are not a marquee program. We used to be one. Our last championship was 12 years ago and since which, the foundation of this program slowly rotting. The kids we are recruiting now were 3-5 years old when we were relevant. It's sad, but it is a reality.

You guys are priceless. Was OU a marquee program when they hadn't won **** in 15 years before Stoops? USC before Carroll? Their last title was in the 1970s. LSU? All they did was flounder through the 80s and 90s. Bama? Their last great team was in 1990 before Saban.

A marquee program is a program in a recruiting rich area that has the potential to win NCs regularly. UM has proven that it has that potential (80s, 90s and 2000s).

 

[Hegemon]

The jury is certainly out. Golden has yet to recruit a single recruiting class on an even playing field. When he got the job in December, Miami has three commits. Three. Its November right now and we have 27. Think about that. There was no recruiting class to "save." He had to start from scratch against winning programs that had been recruiting the same kids for 2 years. Every other class since then has been under the NCAA cloud. And what he inherited from Shannon was a roster devoid of a lot of talent and full of head cases. Even this one until recently. And remember we're at 75 'ships right now. We're essentially on probation.

He gets a long leash with me. This program could have easily imploded. In fact, it should have. A bad team with bad kids heading not only into the sensationalized Yahoo **** and an NCAA investigation, but a nearly THREE YEAR NCAA investigation. We should have regressed. Instead I see a lot of promising young talent and a nice class coming in.

As for the on the field performance, I see an offense that is missing some pieces (again, we're playing at 75) and is being affected by injuries and depth, but is very close. On defense the talent is really, really problematic at a number of positions, especially the DL. But I see a lot of talent coming in, and I am EXCITED about what AG and Co. can do on the trail in '15 with the NCAA shackles off (well, we will actually be on probation with slightly limited scholarships... AG can't catch a break).

Winning is CFB is a margin game. Playing with 75, missing some key pieces because of a reduced roster and depth, those are game-changers.

Are there coaching problems, especially on defense? **** yes. Are the HC and DC culpable if the scheme isn't working? Yes, and they are. Should the position coaches and the kids be held more accountable for how many kids are out of position and make mentals? I certainly think so.

The coaching needs to improve. A LOT. Before you reply with a bunch of nonsense, read that again and remember I said it, ok? But even more so does the talent on defense. This article really summed up a lot of what I have been saying since before the year. We really have a JAG defense right now, full of guys who won't sniff the NFL, especially on the DL. In CFB its pretty simple sometimes. No pass rush, no defense. It exposes every defensive player.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...ws-from-evaluators-dolphins-heat-marlins.html

I call BS. Because the fact remains, really good coaches(which is the point I am arguing that Golden isn't one) will still make tangible improvements of the roster they have. Does Art Briles have some star studded roster that he has taken to a #4 ranking? Or did he show up and start coaching the **** out the roster he had? We all know that answer.

Golden has not made one single player significantly better in 3 years. Not one. Quit with the excuses. You were wrong with Coker(you scoffed at all who wanted him gone), you were late to see Shannon for the **** that he was and, at least you are consistent in being wrong, you are wrong on Golden. He is a putz. His record indicates that.

Pretty much this. Bomb was the biggest douchebag on the planet back on Grassy. Don Bailey took notes.

 

[theibisrules]

high on the board after the last 3 weeks. Everyone has their opinion on the problems but hopefully this is something we can all agree on and give hope for the future of the program.
I'm pretty sure most of us agree that Al Golden without the NCAA cloud can recruit just by looking at our 2014 class. If we can put together another top 5 class in 2015, with guys like Gibson, Irvin, etc the cupboard should be pretty full with players. As much as it pains me to use them as an example cause I hate the Gators, if Al Golden turns out to be our Ron Zook, we should have a very long list of coaches jumping at the chance to coach the Hurricanes.

looking at my calendar.....nope i wont give a fck tomorrow either

 

[sebastian91]

At the same time, three years in So Fl and the only great player we have added is Duke.

Stacy Coley? Jamal? Artie? Tracy? Deon? Flowers? Jelani? Those guys are all considered top SoFla talent, no?

 

[QuadCityCane]

Yeah they fired him after 12 years. Not 3. We have been below average/average for 10 years. If anyone was in the toilet we were. At least they have 3, 11-1 seasons in the 10 years prior to Tressel taking over.

Even my favorite coach ever, Jimmy Johnson, who took over a team that had just won a National Title took 3 years and 3 bowl losses before winning a title in year 4. The jury is still out on whether or not Golden is the man for the job but you expect miracles that are not based in reality.

Keep gulping that Kool Aid. You're a loyal minion, fella. I'm sure Al is looking to make you Captain of the 23rd sector and give you your wings if you keep this up. Way to go comparing the great Jimmy Johnson to Corch Al. The guy was kicking *** his 2nd year here and never looked back. Your boss still can't stop anyone 3 years in including vomitous teams like UNC, Weak, VT and Puke.

You're spending all this time rabidly defending your boss, yet you claim the jury's still out on him. If you're not convinced he's the man for the job, then why are you constantly bugging out over him? Tell me why you're not convinced he's the man for the job.

P.S. Triple LULZ at expecting to hold horrible ACC offenses in check as expecting miracles. You just gave up your troll cover with that one, Ms. Golden.

Ms. Golden, how witty. Now see if you had used this as your argument the first time instead of trying to say that Ohio State was in the toilet or that we were somehow a marquee team even though we havent won 10 games in 10 years, had a 3 year NCAA investigation and last won a title 12 years ago when recruits were just out of diapers then we wouldnt be having this conversation.
Then you bring up Big Game Bob Stoops who was gifted a National Title in 2000 by not having to play Miami and then continues to lose pretty much every big game for the last 12 years. We lose every big game now anyways how is that an improvement.

Should we perform better? Yes. Should he fire D? Sure, I can see an argument for that. Will he? Probably not. But firing Golden because we havent had a miraculous turnaround like USC, Alabama, etc I just think that is unrealistic given the circumstances.

I eagerly await your next story about trains, wives, maybe include Shalala this time too please.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

high on the board after the last 3 weeks. Everyone has their opinion on the problems but hopefully this is something we can all agree on and give hope for the future of the program.
I'm pretty sure most of us agree that Al Golden without the NCAA cloud can recruit just by looking at our 2014 class. If we can put together another top 5 class in 2015, with guys like Gibson, Irvin, etc the cupboard should be pretty full with players. As much as it pains me to use them as an example cause I hate the Gators, if Al Golden turns out to be our Ron Zook, we should have a very long list of coaches jumping at the chance to coach the Hurricanes.

Sure. It's all about lack of talent, right? Well, here's the rankings of our last 5 years vs Duke. A team that just ran a train on us 48-30, rushing for 350+ yards.

2009; Miami 24th, Duke 52nd
2010; Miami 14th, Duke 71st
2011; Miami 41st, Duke 63rd
2012; Miami 9th, Duke 63rd
2013; Miami 20th, Duke 70th

We've clearly out recruited Duke over the past five years and they just pushed our **** in worse than FSU. It's not talent dude.

 

[QuadCityCane]

high on the board after the last 3 weeks. Everyone has their opinion on the problems but hopefully this is something we can all agree on and give hope for the future of the program.
I'm pretty sure most of us agree that Al Golden without the NCAA cloud can recruit just by looking at our 2014 class. If we can put together another top 5 class in 2015, with guys like Gibson, Irvin, etc the cupboard should be pretty full with players. As much as it pains me to use them as an example cause I hate the Gators, if Al Golden turns out to be our Ron Zook, we should have a very long list of coaches jumping at the chance to coach the Hurricanes.

Sure. It's all about lack of talent, right? Well, here's the rankings of our last 5 years vs Duke. A team that just ran a train on us 48-30, rushing for 350+ yards.

2009; Miami 24th, Duke 52nd
2010; Miami 14th, Duke 71st
2011; Miami 41st, Duke 63rd
2012; Miami 9th, Duke 63rd
2013; Miami 20th, Duke 70th

We've clearly out recruited Duke over the past five years and they just pushed our **** in worse than FSU. It's not talent dude.

So testy. The point of the post had nothing to do with arguing about talent or coaching or talent and coaching. The point was we have a top 3 class right now in 2014. If we have another in 2015, then if Golden is Ron Zook then we should have a long list of coaches to choose from unlike the last few coaching searches.