How pocket passers compare: Kaaya & Morris

[CANE]

Kaaya looked like he can read a defense better now than Morris.

It's a high school defense.

 

[rudebuddha]

When I watched Morris in HS, he was not polished.

Would like to hear how you think they're similar.

It's more of a physical comparison. Kaaya is the better prospect. I think he'll be compared to much better quarterbacks when it's all said and done. But going in, I was expecting a physical skill set comparable to Sam Bradford. That was not that case.

When I watched the highlights, Kaaya looked deadly accurate. Of course, those were highlights. When I watched a full game, Kaaya was very streaky with his accuracy. He missed in similar ways to Morris: way high over the middle, in the dirt on easy passes outside the hashes. It's strange because (as you note) Kaaya is a lot more consistent with his balance and fundamentals than Morris was in high school.

On the positive side, Kaaya has similar arm strength to Morris. The ball jumps out of Kaaya's hands the same way and he throws downfield on a line.

I may be old school, but I favor qb's with big arms. I watched the latest New Orleans/Carolina game and Brees couldn't get the ball into the end zone from 50 yards.
Stretching the defense is a much bigger weapon than people think. When you have a qb that can throw it on a line 65 yards downfield past where safeties feel they have to cover, that is stretching the field.

Morris makes some bad throws, but he also has had to deal with quite a few drops. Coley is going to be great for us. Heck, he already is great but he does tend to alligator arm balls when he senses heat like those 2 in the FSU game.
We've also had numerous receivers in every game break off routes.

You add 4 receptions for Morris per game that were incompletions for reasons other than it being a crappy pass, and we probably have 19 wins instead of 16 wins the past two years.

As for comparing Morris and Kaaya, Kaaya is a good high school qb with great potential. Morris is a good college qb with great potential in the pros.
Don't agree about Morris?
You can teach schemes, progressions, footwork but you can't teach a qb to drop a 70 pass into a bucket on a rope.

Strongly disagree with this post. A strong arm isn't helpful when placement and anticipation are off. Stretching the field these days happens vertically and horizontally. It's more important to put the ball in windows than have the ability to throw it 60 yards. I can't think of a single example that supports the premium you seem to be placing on arm strength over accuracy and anticipation. Give me 1000 Drew Brees' over guys who can "stretch the field."

Hard to place the ball into windows when you have a mediocre arm.

Brett Favre was a big armed guy who ran for his life and broke guys fingers in college. Not a high draft pick and it took him a couple years to figure it out in the pros.

My point is that I'd rather have a big armed guy over an average armed guy in the pros if I was an NFL gm.
Normally it takes a couple years to develop an NFL qb, but when your guy has one of the strongest arms in the league you have much more to work with.

Everybody knows guys like Brees are an anomaly.

I'm not saying Morris will become an all pro.
I am saying that he has a much better chance to become elite than say, Matt Mcgloin or Matt Flynn because he has physical talents very few qb's in the NFL have.

 

[jerzeycane]

When I watched Morris in HS, he was not polished.

Would like to hear how you think they're similar.

It's more of a physical comparison. Kaaya is the better prospect. I think he'll be compared to much better quarterbacks when it's all said and done. But going in, I was expecting a physical skill set comparable to Sam Bradford. That was not that case.

When I watched the highlights, Kaaya looked deadly accurate. Of course, those were highlights. When I watched a full game, Kaaya was very streaky with his accuracy. He missed in similar ways to Morris: way high over the middle, in the dirt on easy passes outside the hashes. It's strange because (as you note) Kaaya is a lot more consistent with his balance and fundamentals than Morris was in high school.

On the positive side, Kaaya has similar arm strength to Morris. The ball jumps out of Kaaya's hands the same way and he throws downfield on a line.

I may be old school, but I favor qb's with big arms. I watched the latest New Orleans/Carolina game and Brees couldn't get the ball into the end zone from 50 yards.
Stretching the defense is a much bigger weapon than people think. When you have a qb that can throw it on a line 65 yards downfield past where safeties feel they have to cover, that is stretching the field.

Morris makes some bad throws, but he also has had to deal with quite a few drops. Coley is going to be great for us. Heck, he already is great but he does tend to alligator arm balls when he senses heat like those 2 in the FSU game.
We've also had numerous receivers in every game break off routes.

You add 4 receptions for Morris per game that were incompletions for reasons other than it being a crappy pass, and we probably have 19 wins instead of 16 wins the past two years.

As for comparing Morris and Kaaya, Kaaya is a good high school qb with great potential. Morris is a good college qb with great potential in the pros.
Don't agree about Morris?
You can teach schemes, progressions, footwork but you can't teach a qb to drop a 70 pass into a bucket on a rope.

Strongly disagree with this post. A strong arm isn't helpful when placement and anticipation are off. Stretching the field these days happens vertically and horizontally. It's more important to put the ball in windows than have the ability to throw it 60 yards. I can't think of a single example that supports the premium you seem to be placing on arm strength over accuracy and anticipation. Give me 1000 Drew Brees' over guys who can "stretch the field."

Hard to place the ball into windows when you have a mediocre arm.

Brett Favre was a big armed guy who ran for his life and broke guys fingers in college. Not a high draft pick and it took him a couple years to figure it out in the pros.

My point is that I'd rather have a big armed guy over an average armed guy in the pros if I was an NFL gm.
Normally it takes a couple years to develop an NFL qb, but when your guy has one of the strongest arms in the league you have much more to work with.

Everybody knows guys like Brees are an anomaly.

I'm not saying Morris will become an all pro.
I am saying that he has a much better chance to become elite than say, Matt Mcgloin or Matt Flynn because he has physical talents very few qb's in the NFL have.

Really?

Peyton Manning isn't gifted with a rocket for an arm
Philip Rivers doesn't have a cannon
Kurt Warner never had a rifle
Nick Foles has about a 1/3 of the arm that Michael Vick has
Joe Montana is one of the best of all time and he wasn't winging it around the football field with missiles

You're wrong on this. Very wrong.

Accuracy and ball placement is far more important than arm strength.

 

[DMoney]

Brees is a good downfield thrower. He may not have distance, but his big hands allow him to throw with a lot of zip a la Johnnie Unitas.

 

[Gamineal]

outside of Miami what other Big Time programs wanted Stephen ? UVA....UCF...you have USC and UCLA begging Kaaya

There will be 32 big time programs called NFL teams that will want Morris somewhere in the draft.

Maybe 5 to 10. He is not a hot commodity as all you think he is.

 

[umhurricano]

Anytime you cite a characteristic of a top 3 nfl quarterback as a reason another qb won't succeed, your argument is probably DOA. For the record I would say 3 of the top 4 nfl qbs don't have a cannon-brees, manning, and brady.

 

[LuCane]

Brees is a good downfield thrower. He may not have distance, but his big hands allow him to throw with a lot of zip a la Johnnie Unitas.

His hands don't make him able to anticipate downfield throws. His brain does.

 

[LuCane]

When I watched Morris in HS, he was not polished.

Would like to hear how you think they're similar.

It's more of a physical comparison. Kaaya is the better prospect. I think he'll be compared to much better quarterbacks when it's all said and done. But going in, I was expecting a physical skill set comparable to Sam Bradford. That was not that case.

When I watched the highlights, Kaaya looked deadly accurate. Of course, those were highlights. When I watched a full game, Kaaya was very streaky with his accuracy. He missed in similar ways to Morris: way high over the middle, in the dirt on easy passes outside the hashes. It's strange because (as you note) Kaaya is a lot more consistent with his balance and fundamentals than Morris was in high school.

On the positive side, Kaaya has similar arm strength to Morris. The ball jumps out of Kaaya's hands the same way and he throws downfield on a line.

I may be old school, but I favor qb's with big arms. I watched the latest New Orleans/Carolina game and Brees couldn't get the ball into the end zone from 50 yards.
Stretching the defense is a much bigger weapon than people think. When you have a qb that can throw it on a line 65 yards downfield past where safeties feel they have to cover, that is stretching the field.

Morris makes some bad throws, but he also has had to deal with quite a few drops. Coley is going to be great for us. Heck, he already is great but he does tend to alligator arm balls when he senses heat like those 2 in the FSU game.
We've also had numerous receivers in every game break off routes.

You add 4 receptions for Morris per game that were incompletions for reasons other than it being a crappy pass, and we probably have 19 wins instead of 16 wins the past two years.

As for comparing Morris and Kaaya, Kaaya is a good high school qb with great potential. Morris is a good college qb with great potential in the pros.
Don't agree about Morris?
You can teach schemes, progressions, footwork but you can't teach a qb to drop a 70 pass into a bucket on a rope.

Strongly disagree with this post. A strong arm isn't helpful when placement and anticipation are off. Stretching the field these days happens vertically and horizontally. It's more important to put the ball in windows than have the ability to throw it 60 yards. I can't think of a single example that supports the premium you seem to be placing on arm strength over accuracy and anticipation. Give me 1000 Drew Brees' over guys who can "stretch the field."

Hard to place the ball into windows when you have a mediocre arm.

Brett Favre was a big armed guy who ran for his life and broke guys fingers in college. Not a high draft pick and it took him a couple years to figure it out in the pros.

My point is that I'd rather have a big armed guy over an average armed guy in the pros if I was an NFL gm.
Normally it takes a couple years to develop an NFL qb, but when your guy has one of the strongest arms in the league you have much more to work with.

Everybody knows guys like Brees are an anomaly.

I'm not saying Morris will become an all pro.
I am saying that he has a much better chance to become elite than say, Matt Mcgloin or Matt Flynn because he has physical talents very few qb's in the NFL have.

Anticipation is a far bigger differentiatior in hitting windows than arm strength. Of course, some level of arm strength is required, but once you're an NFL QB, having a "rocket" arm is less likely to make you a good QB than the brain process it takes to make the decision. At the college level, it's needed even less. There's a crazy list of rocket-armed QBs who couldn't do squat. Someone else just gave you a list of successful QBs who have average to below average arms.

 

[DMoney]

Brees is a good downfield thrower. He may not have distance, but his big hands allow him to throw with a lot of zip a la Johnnie Unitas.

His hands don't make him able to anticipate downfield throws. His brain does.

I agree with you. Anticipation and accuracy > arm strength.

I'm making the general point that scouts underestimated the arm talent of Brees/Montana/Unitas just because they couldn't throw the ball 75 yards. What those guys lacked in range, they made up for in zip.

 

[tsimonitis]

Appreciate the actual football discourse. Thank you.

 

[USNAVYCANE]

I dont care much for the NFL so to be honest I want guys who will win in college and dont really care how they project in the nfl/

 

[rudebuddha]

It's more of a physical comparison. Kaaya is the better prospect. I think he'll be compared to much better quarterbacks when it's all said and done. But going in, I was expecting a physical skill set comparable to Sam Bradford. That was not that case.

When I watched the highlights, Kaaya looked deadly accurate. Of course, those were highlights. When I watched a full game, Kaaya was very streaky with his accuracy. He missed in similar ways to Morris: way high over the middle, in the dirt on easy passes outside the hashes. It's strange because (as you note) Kaaya is a lot more consistent with his balance and fundamentals than Morris was in high school.

On the positive side, Kaaya has similar arm strength to Morris. The ball jumps out of Kaaya's hands the same way and he throws downfield on a line.

I may be old school, but I favor qb's with big arms. I watched the latest New Orleans/Carolina game and Brees couldn't get the ball into the end zone from 50 yards.
Stretching the defense is a much bigger weapon than people think. When you have a qb that can throw it on a line 65 yards downfield past where safeties feel they have to cover, that is stretching the field.

Morris makes some bad throws, but he also has had to deal with quite a few drops. Coley is going to be great for us. Heck, he already is great but he does tend to alligator arm balls when he senses heat like those 2 in the FSU game.
We've also had numerous receivers in every game break off routes.

You add 4 receptions for Morris per game that were incompletions for reasons other than it being a crappy pass, and we probably have 19 wins instead of 16 wins the past two years.

As for comparing Morris and Kaaya, Kaaya is a good high school qb with great potential. Morris is a good college qb with great potential in the pros.
Don't agree about Morris?
You can teach schemes, progressions, footwork but you can't teach a qb to drop a 70 pass into a bucket on a rope.

Strongly disagree with this post. A strong arm isn't helpful when placement and anticipation are off. Stretching the field these days happens vertically and horizontally. It's more important to put the ball in windows than have the ability to throw it 60 yards. I can't think of a single example that supports the premium you seem to be placing on arm strength over accuracy and anticipation. Give me 1000 Drew Brees' over guys who can "stretch the field."

Hard to place the ball into windows when you have a mediocre arm.

Brett Favre was a big armed guy who ran for his life and broke guys fingers in college. Not a high draft pick and it took him a couple years to figure it out in the pros.

My point is that I'd rather have a big armed guy over an average armed guy in the pros if I was an NFL gm.
Normally it takes a couple years to develop an NFL qb, but when your guy has one of the strongest arms in the league you have much more to work with.

Everybody knows guys like Brees are an anomaly.

I'm not saying Morris will become an all pro.
I am saying that he has a much better chance to become elite than say, Matt Mcgloin or Matt Flynn because he has physical talents very few qb's in the NFL have.

Anticipation is a far bigger differentiatior in hitting windows than arm strength. Of course, some level of arm strength is required, but once you're an NFL QB, having a "rocket" arm is less likely to make you a good QB than the brain process it takes to make the decision. At the college level, it's needed even less. There's a crazy list of rocket-armed QBs who couldn't do squat. Someone else just gave you a list of successful QBs who have average to below average arms.

The list of rag armed qb's who didn't make it big is a lot longer than the ones who did.

Anticipation, timing and accuracy can be taught. Matter of repetition.
Obviously half the battle for an NFL qb is the mental aspect.
Montana and Brees are both incredible qb's who have overcome physical liabilities to become great.
Both Mannings have or had when they came into the league above average arms, and in the case of Peyton coupled great physical abilities with a great mind.

We are talking about hall of famers here.
If you look at every HOF qb, the vast majority had a strong arm.
Naming a couple outliers like Drew Brees and Montana, actually solidifies my belief that NFL gm's will always take a cannon over a pop gun with everything else being equal, or close to equal.

 

[rudebuddha]

The salient fact which we all seem to forget when comparing both Kaaya and Morris is at this stage in their respective careers, everything, and I mean everything is about projection and not past production.

Golden said this year that in recruiting you think more about how the player projects in 3 years than where they currently are.
You don't want to recruit a player who has already reached their summit ala Jeff Luc.

Same philosophy for the pros.
Every draft analyst says the same thing about Morris. Decent size, good athleticism, inconsistent but has an elite arm.
It's not all about past production in the NFL draft. It's about physical skill sets and intangibles and hoping you get the best of both worlds.

If it was only about production the a guy like Clowney would be a 7th round pick with his 3.5 sacks and **** poor character, but his physical abilities make him a top 5 pick.

Morris' inconsistency will make him a mid round pick, but I guarantee that 32 NFL gm's will love his arm, more than any qb available.
His arm is elite, the rest of him is average.
You can already hear them thinking, "if we can get the light bulb to burn bright for this kid, then we will have a franchise qb."

Same thought pattern for Seantrel. "If he can put it all together....,"

 

[LuCane]

I may be old school, but I favor qb's with big arms. I watched the latest New Orleans/Carolina game and Brees couldn't get the ball into the end zone from 50 yards.
Stretching the defense is a much bigger weapon than people think. When you have a qb that can throw it on a line 65 yards downfield past where safeties feel they have to cover, that is stretching the field.

Morris makes some bad throws, but he also has had to deal with quite a few drops. Coley is going to be great for us. Heck, he already is great but he does tend to alligator arm balls when he senses heat like those 2 in the FSU game.
We've also had numerous receivers in every game break off routes.

You add 4 receptions for Morris per game that were incompletions for reasons other than it being a crappy pass, and we probably have 19 wins instead of 16 wins the past two years.

As for comparing Morris and Kaaya, Kaaya is a good high school qb with great potential. Morris is a good college qb with great potential in the pros.
Don't agree about Morris?
You can teach schemes, progressions, footwork but you can't teach a qb to drop a 70 pass into a bucket on a rope.

Strongly disagree with this post. A strong arm isn't helpful when placement and anticipation are off. Stretching the field these days happens vertically and horizontally. It's more important to put the ball in windows than have the ability to throw it 60 yards. I can't think of a single example that supports the premium you seem to be placing on arm strength over accuracy and anticipation. Give me 1000 Drew Brees' over guys who can "stretch the field."

Hard to place the ball into windows when you have a mediocre arm.

Brett Favre was a big armed guy who ran for his life and broke guys fingers in college. Not a high draft pick and it took him a couple years to figure it out in the pros.

My point is that I'd rather have a big armed guy over an average armed guy in the pros if I was an NFL gm.
Normally it takes a couple years to develop an NFL qb, but when your guy has one of the strongest arms in the league you have much more to work with.

Everybody knows guys like Brees are an anomaly.

I'm not saying Morris will become an all pro.
I am saying that he has a much better chance to become elite than say, Matt Mcgloin or Matt Flynn because he has physical talents very few qb's in the NFL have.

Anticipation is a far bigger differentiatior in hitting windows than arm strength. Of course, some level of arm strength is required, but once you're an NFL QB, having a "rocket" arm is less likely to make you a good QB than the brain process it takes to make the decision. At the college level, it's needed even less. There's a crazy list of rocket-armed QBs who couldn't do squat. Someone else just gave you a list of successful QBs who have average to below average arms.

The list of rag armed qb's who didn't make it big is a lot longer than the ones who did.

Anticipation, timing and accuracy can be taught. Matter of repetition.
Obviously half the battle for an NFL qb is the mental aspect.
Montana and Brees are both incredible qb's who have overcome physical liabilities to become great.
Both Mannings have or had when they came into the league above average arms, and in the case of Peyton coupled great physical abilities with a great mind.

We are talking about hall of famers here.
If you look at every HOF qb, the vast majority had a strong arm.
Naming a couple outliers like Drew Brees and Montana, actually solidifies my belief that NFL gm's will always take a cannon over a pop gun with everything else being equal, or close to equal.

When and why did this argument suddenly become "we are talking about Hall of famers here?"

This discussion began with your statement "You can teach schemes, progressions, footwork but you can't teach a qb to drop a 70 pass into a bucket on a rope."

I believe this statement is off.

 

[poncho0091]

Strongly disagree with this post. A strong arm isn't helpful when placement and anticipation are off. Stretching the field these days happens vertically and horizontally. It's more important to put the ball in windows than have the ability to throw it 60 yards. I can't think of a single example that supports the premium you seem to be placing on arm strength over accuracy and anticipation. Give me 1000 Drew Brees' over guys who can "stretch the field."

Hard to place the ball into windows when you have a mediocre arm.

Brett Favre was a big armed guy who ran for his life and broke guys fingers in college. Not a high draft pick and it took him a couple years to figure it out in the pros.

My point is that I'd rather have a big armed guy over an average armed guy in the pros if I was an NFL gm.
Normally it takes a couple years to develop an NFL qb, but when your guy has one of the strongest arms in the league you have much more to work with.

Everybody knows guys like Brees are an anomaly.

I'm not saying Morris will become an all pro.
I am saying that he has a much better chance to become elite than say, Matt Mcgloin or Matt Flynn because he has physical talents very few qb's in the NFL have.

Anticipation is a far bigger differentiatior in hitting windows than arm strength. Of course, some level of arm strength is required, but once you're an NFL QB, having a "rocket" arm is less likely to make you a good QB than the brain process it takes to make the decision. At the college level, it's needed even less. There's a crazy list of rocket-armed QBs who couldn't do squat. Someone else just gave you a list of successful QBs who have average to below average arms.

The list of rag armed qb's who didn't make it big is a lot longer than the ones who did.

Anticipation, timing and accuracy can be taught. Matter of repetition.
Obviously half the battle for an NFL qb is the mental aspect.
Montana and Brees are both incredible qb's who have overcome physical liabilities to become great.
Both Mannings have or had when they came into the league above average arms, and in the case of Peyton coupled great physical abilities with a great mind.

We are talking about hall of famers here.
If you look at every HOF qb, the vast majority had a strong arm.
Naming a couple outliers like Drew Brees and Montana, actually solidifies my belief that NFL gm's will always take a cannon over a pop gun with everything else being equal, or close to equal.

When and why did this argument suddenly become "we are talking about Hall of famers here?"

This discussion began with your statement "You can teach schemes, progressions, footwork but you can't teach a qb to drop a 70 pass into a bucket on a rope."

I believe this statement is off.

Lu I will say while the discussion is not as much about HOF qbs as it is about the arm strength, you did say give me 1000 Drew Brees over a strong arm QB (even if his example is originally using Drew Brees). The biggest problem with this entire thread is the comparisons everyone is making.

People are making comparisons originally about Kaaya to Morris. Kaaya is playing high school defenses and has yet to play a down in college. A lot of these recruits look great in high school only to be busts in college.

Then people are making comparisons of Morris to Drew Brees. Compared to Drew Brees, most NFL starting QB's look like scrubs. Brees is an NFL future HOF qb. Morris is a college QB who up to this point in comparing their respective college careers has done about as much as Brees did (Brees started one more year than Morris so his stats are a better by about one season's worth).

People love to bash Morris it seems, and I don't really understand why. Yes he has had some bad games and made mistakes on the field, but most players do, unless they are one of those rare elites. Morris had a top 20 season (based on ESPN's adjusted QBR) and people are talking about how he was garbage. I guarantee you there are at least 60 or more teams our there who would have loved to have had Morris as their QB. I for one will be rooting for him in the pros to represent The U.

 

[Gamineal]

People love to bash Morris it seems, and I don't really understand why. Yes he has had some bad games and made mistakes on the field, but most players do, unless they are one of those rare elites. Morris had a top 20 season (based on ESPN's adjusted QBR) and people are talking about how he was garbage. I guarantee you there are at least 60 or more teams our there who would have loved to have had Morris as their QB. I for one will be rooting for him in the pros to represent The U.



Not sure who thinks he is garbage? but him being a top 20 shows you how bad QBs are in CFB right now and in the NFL.... teams with better QBs are winning in the NFL right now....teams with Better Qbs are winning in CFB as well...what made FSU so much better...?? Manuel was a so called first rounder so was ponder.....

Morris never took one game over on his arm and one a game for 4 qtrs...even the NCST game where they sucked he threw for 500+ yards with two 160 of those on blown whistle calls...and if you remember he disappeared for two qtrs in that game even against **** teams SM struggles with easy throws, he never reads the defense, NEVER.

Our running game for two years helped him along with a solid Oline that protected him as good as any QB in CFB.....I wish him the best and as bad as the NFL is right now he will make a Team for sure...**** Tyrod taylor still has a job as well as Jason Cambell......just horrible Qbs but what is the NFL to do??

 

[LuCane]

Hard to place the ball into windows when you have a mediocre arm.

Brett Favre was a big armed guy who ran for his life and broke guys fingers in college. Not a high draft pick and it took him a couple years to figure it out in the pros.

My point is that I'd rather have a big armed guy over an average armed guy in the pros if I was an NFL gm.
Normally it takes a couple years to develop an NFL qb, but when your guy has one of the strongest arms in the league you have much more to work with.

Everybody knows guys like Brees are an anomaly.

I'm not saying Morris will become an all pro.
I am saying that he has a much better chance to become elite than say, Matt Mcgloin or Matt Flynn because he has physical talents very few qb's in the NFL have.

Anticipation is a far bigger differentiatior in hitting windows than arm strength. Of course, some level of arm strength is required, but once you're an NFL QB, having a "rocket" arm is less likely to make you a good QB than the brain process it takes to make the decision. At the college level, it's needed even less. There's a crazy list of rocket-armed QBs who couldn't do squat. Someone else just gave you a list of successful QBs who have average to below average arms.

The list of rag armed qb's who didn't make it big is a lot longer than the ones who did.

Anticipation, timing and accuracy can be taught. Matter of repetition.
Obviously half the battle for an NFL qb is the mental aspect.
Montana and Brees are both incredible qb's who have overcome physical liabilities to become great.
Both Mannings have or had when they came into the league above average arms, and in the case of Peyton coupled great physical abilities with a great mind.

We are talking about hall of famers here.
If you look at every HOF qb, the vast majority had a strong arm.
Naming a couple outliers like Drew Brees and Montana, actually solidifies my belief that NFL gm's will always take a cannon over a pop gun with everything else being equal, or close to equal.

When and why did this argument suddenly become "we are talking about Hall of famers here?"

This discussion began with your statement "You can teach schemes, progressions, footwork but you can't teach a qb to drop a 70 pass into a bucket on a rope."

I believe this statement is off.

Lu I will say while the discussion is not as much about HOF qbs as it is about the arm strength, you did say give me 1000 Drew Brees over a strong arm QB (even if his example is originally using Drew Brees). The biggest problem with this entire thread is the comparisons everyone is making.

People are making comparisons originally about Kaaya to Morris. Kaaya is playing high school defenses and has yet to play a down in college. A lot of these recruits look great in high school only to be busts in college.

Then people are making comparisons of Morris to Drew Brees. Compared to Drew Brees, most NFL starting QB's look like scrubs. Brees is an NFL future HOF qb. Morris is a college QB who up to this point in comparing their respective college careers has done about as much as Brees did (Brees started one more year than Morris so his stats are a better by about one season's worth).

People love to bash Morris it seems, and I don't really understand why. Yes he has had some bad games and made mistakes on the field, but most players do, unless they are one of those rare elites. Morris had a top 20 season (based on ESPN's adjusted QBR) and people are talking about how he was garbage. I guarantee you there are at least 60 or more teams our there who would have loved to have had Morris as their QB. I for one will be rooting for him in the pros to represent The U.

I'll stand by my statement of 1000 Drew Brees'. I've written about how I, as an amateur message boarder, evaluate QBs. Arm strength is up there in the Top 5 categories, but I don't find it to be as big of a differentiator as some of the other attributes I've mentioned. I didn't compare Morris or Kaaya to Drew Brees. Frankly, I think those comparisons would be off anyway.

 

[Gamineal]

NFL qbs

Great arms, great mind, great size....NFL WANTS rare

Great arm, okay mind great size NFL gets and works with

Okay arm, great mind, okay size....you better have great mind

okay arm, okay mind, athletic....NFL seems to **** away millions on

 

[dg151]

If you can teach any strong armed QB all the other parts of being a QB, there must be some REALLY BAD teachers in the NFL. If you have the arm strength to throw an out in the NFL anything above that really doesn't matter and is just there the compensate from weaknesses in anticipation and decision making.

Saw someone mention the Kaaya's decision making is against HS defenses, but the concepts he's doing are similar, with reading defenders and making throws based off of that, which is something very few HS players do and something that tranlates to higher levels. Obviously the speed of things is completely different in higher levels, and the decisions will be more complicated, but it's something that he's a lot more advanced at than most.

Kaaya's mechanics are also more advanced than most, but there are still some issues and it gets a little sloppy from what I've seen, and I think a few things need some tweaking. I only watched a few of his games and need to go more in depth still, but his base seemed a little wide. His ball placement can be really good, but it's not consistent. Accurate but not always precise.