How bad is our defense really?

[bigmont80]

We evidently can't coach kids to pick a guy across from them and stay near him. Because Golden and co. keep saying we're playing a ton of man defense, yet there are receivers and RB's running with no one within 10-15 yards of them.

That tells me all I need to know.

And the coaches are blaming the players for turning players loose. Really? There were 9-10 times in the VT game where somebody just didn't go with their man?

OK

 

[Loafers]

To me, how you judge a defense is really simple. Take the number of times the other team touches the ball, and see how many times you stopped them, how many times you allowed a field goal, and how many times you scored a touchdown.

Forget about total points allowed, and forget about yards allowed. Yards don't win a football game, and points allowed depends a lot on if your offense can stay on the field, time of posession, that kind of ****.

So if you just look at the number of times the other team has the ball per game, and how many times they score, and you adjust it to reward you more for stopping good offenses and penalize you more for letting terrible offenses score on you, how does Miami stack up?

We suck.

Footballoutsiders.com has a stat that measures that very thing, called the FEI index for anyone that's interested. Apparently, Miami's defense is ranked #82 in the country. We are THE WORST team defense in the country out of every big name team except for Tennessee, Texas A&M, Colorado and Arkansas.

Some examples of teams that objectively have better defenses than Miami:

Cincinnati
Maryland
Rutgers
Buffalo
Rice
South Alabama
Colorado State
Texas State
Marshall
Middle Tennessee
Toledo
UTSA (hello Larry Coker)
Ball State
Duke
Tulane
Tulsa
Wake Forest
Memphis
North Texas
Northwestern
East Carolina
Utah
Utah State


This is unacceptable at Miami, and I have never seen a more clear-cut case where a defensive coordinator needs to be shown the door at the end of the season. It's not personal, but we need to go a different direction, that's how it is.

Something to think about.

Vishnu is that you?

 

[Ernie McCracken]

Those teams also do not play the same schedule, prior to the last two weeks we were MUCh higher on that list. But you didnt seem to find those stats when we were 7-0....hmmmmm

Sooo, some of you dudes are actually saying fire AG? WOW, hope you weren't any of the guys that just two weeks ago paid to fly a banner thanking the guy, cause then that kinda makes you look like the fuggin idiot!

Strength of schedule is accounted for in those rankings, and we are lucky they are. The unadjusted rankings are much worse for the Miami d

 

[Ernie McCracken]

To me, how you judge a defense is really simple. Take the number of times the other team touches the ball, and see how many times you stopped them, how many times you allowed a field goal, and how many times you scored a touchdown.

Forget about total points allowed, and forget about yards allowed. Yards don't win a football game, and points allowed depends a lot on if your offense can stay on the field, time of posession, that kind of ****.

So if you just look at the number of times the other team has the ball per game, and how many times they score, and you adjust it to reward you more for stopping good offenses and penalize you more for letting terrible offenses score on you, how does Miami stack up?

We suck.

Footballoutsiders.com has a stat that measures that very thing, called the FEI index for anyone that's interested. Apparently, Miami's defense is ranked #82 in the country. We are THE WORST team defense in the country out of every big name team except for Tennessee, Texas A&M, Colorado and Arkansas.

Some examples of teams that objectively have better defenses than Miami:

Cincinnati
Maryland
Rutgers
Buffalo
Rice
South Alabama
Colorado State
Texas State
Marshall
Middle Tennessee
Toledo
UTSA (hello Larry Coker)
Ball State
Duke
Tulane
Tulsa
Wake Forest
Memphis
North Texas
Northwestern
East Carolina
Utah
Utah State


This is unacceptable at Miami, and I have never seen a more clear-cut case where a defensive coordinator needs to be shown the door at the end of the season. It's not personal, but we need to go a different direction, that's how it is.

Something to think about.

Vishnu is that you?

No, but I stayed at a holiday inn express last night

 

[DeadPoets]

Just to drive the point home, in 2010 (the year Randy Shannon was fired for) our defense ranked #14 by this metric.

We've dropped 70 spots in the D'Onofrio/Golden era.

What killed Randy Shannon's career was Jacory Harris and the fact that he loved to throw interceptions. Hopefully Mark D'Onofrio isn't Golden's Jacory Harris.

What killed Shannon was his lack of developing talent. He also burned a lot of bridges in So Fla.
The Nix hire was awful too. But the swad thing about that hire is Nix grabbed Shannon's attention when GT threw all over us back in '07 or something (Calvin Johnson era).
We know now it had nothing to do with Nix & everything to do with a freak of nature WR catching balls in double coverage.

Shannon sucks much worse than Golden as a HC... but Randy's defense blows this BS system out of the water.

 

[zone3cane]

Al Golden’s tenure has seen great progress — on offense. The offense has improved from 38th in 2010 to 6th this year. For those questioning the accuracy of that stat, this is precisely why I have been screaming about the pace of play all year. When they have the ball, they do an overall great job. They just don’t get it enough. This is also why a defense not forcing three-and-outs becomes a major issue, even if the opponent doesn’t score.

On the other hand, the defense was ranked 13th in 2010, and is now 84th (after finishing 88th last year). The net result? The combined efficiency of the team (which also accounts for special teams) has gone from 23rd in 2010 to 29th now. It has essentially flatlined.

This is how terrible the defense is and it's 100% b/c of D'onofrio and Al Golden's defensive philosophy and scheme

 

[Coach Macho]

Shannon's scheme was a talent-based system. We played 4-3 and a ton of man coverage. It's as talent-based as you can get. When that defense failed the talent excuse held weight. When a WR got open it's because he beat the CB, simple as that. We weren't "cutting guys loose" and offenses weren't exposing massive holes in our zone.

 

[zone3cane]

Shannon's scheme was a talent-based system. We played 4-3 and a ton of man coverage. It's as talent-based as you can get. When that defense failed the talent excuse held weight. When a WR got open it's because he beat the CB, simple as that. We weren't "cutting guys loose" and offenses weren't exposing massive holes in our zone.

and Shannon's worst defense never got abused as much as D'onofrio's defense.

what was the stat.... the defenses under Shannon has given up 500 yard games 2 times during his entire tenure as HC, while this year alone Miami's defense has given up 500 yards 3 out of the last 4 games.

 

[Bigtip]

Those teams also do not play the same schedule, prior to the last two weeks we were MUCh higher on that list. But you didnt seem to find those stats when we were 7-0....hmmmmm

Sooo, some of you dudes are actually saying fire AG? WOW, hope you weren't any of the guys that just two weeks ago paid to fly a banner thanking the guy, cause then that kinda makes you look like the fuggin idiot!

I have been saying that this defense sucks donkey **** since last year.

I'm not saying fire AG. I'm saying that he needs to abandon this BS defense and turn it over to someone competent.

IF he does not, it will eventually be the end of him at Miami

Its his defense...

So you were down for flying a banner over Sunlife thanking our incompetent coach is what I'm gathering from this.

not sure whats so hard to understand.

AG needs to come to the realization that his defense is GARBAGE and not working. get rid of it is the only rational conclusion

 

[LuCane]

Shannon's scheme was a talent-based system. We played 4-3 and a ton of man coverage. It's as talent-based as you can get. When that defense failed the talent excuse held weight. When a WR got open it's because he beat the CB, simple as that. We weren't "cutting guys loose" and offenses weren't exposing massive holes in our zone.

The problem with both is predictability. When an opponent knows you're going to do one or the other before the snap, it's not hard to get a combination crossing route against man underneath. Guys will look like they're running free there, too. And, when we combined that with the fact we no longer could get pass-rush terrors to combine with freak DBs, opposing coaches just went to town. That Virginia game in 2007 was a ******* nightmare.

 

[Coach Macho]

Shannon's scheme was a talent-based system. We played 4-3 and a ton of man coverage. It's as talent-based as you can get. When that defense failed the talent excuse held weight. When a WR got open it's because he beat the CB, simple as that. We weren't "cutting guys loose" and offenses weren't exposing massive holes in our zone.

and Shannon's worst defense never got abused as much as D'onofrio's defense.

what was the stat.... the defenses under Shannon has given up 500 yard games 2 times during his entire tenure as HC, while this year alone Miami's defense has given up 500 yards 3 out of the last 4 games.

I'm sitting here looking at stats from our 2010 defense and they were pretty **** good. Couldn't stop the run for **** but we were good at TFL, INT's, Sacks, 3rd down %, big plays allowed, total yards, passing efficiency, etc. I remember a lot of us *****ing about that defense back then too. LOL

Atleast they could do SOME things right. Our defense today isn't good at ANYTHING.

 

[Coach Macho]

Shannon's scheme was a talent-based system. We played 4-3 and a ton of man coverage. It's as talent-based as you can get. When that defense failed the talent excuse held weight. When a WR got open it's because he beat the CB, simple as that. We weren't "cutting guys loose" and offenses weren't exposing massive holes in our zone.

The problem with both is predictability. When an opponent knows you're going to do one or the other before the snap, it's not hard to get a combination crossing route against man underneath. Guys will look like they're running free there, too. And, when we combined that with the fact we no longer could get pass-rush terrors to combine with freak DBs, opposing coaches just went to town. That Virginia game in 2007 was a ******* nightmare.

Indeed.

 

[frostycane]

I actually feel like due to some injuries, some guys just not playing as well, our defense seems to have regressed because of guys starting to freelance again. We have seen some obvious blown coverages(which seemed solid), **** poor tackling (which, was stellar early in the yr) and for whatever reason DL have stopped trying to deflect passes. We did the same thing last yr, early guys were doing it, it was working, but late we went away from it and all the passing lanes opened right back up.

I will at the very least stick by the jimmies and joes defense for this recent poor display of defense until next yr. If we are getting smoked again, when we do not have the 30, 31, 59s of the world doing little to not much then I would be forced to begin to question what is going on. But for now, we are having some seniors who were playing improved football early regressing back to their former selves as the season wears on. I mean 31 and 34 were pretty good the first few games, but man, they seem to have gotten worse as the season goes. Heck I would even venture to say DP52 has played like crap the last few games. I thought he blew in the FSU game...

Unfortunately, as has been the case for what seems like ten yrs now, we cannot get off a block to make a play to save our fuggin lives. DL,LB CB no one...... and thats through a lot of different players, and DC's HC's. I just dont know man....its befuddling.....

Here's to hoping we see some improvement from both the players and the staff this weekend because they are the U and I stand by them.

 

[zone3cane]

I actually feel like due to some injuries, some guys just not playing as well, our defense seems to have regressed because of guys starting to freelance again. We have seen some obvious blown coverages(which seemed solid), **** poor tackling (which, was stellar early in the yr) and for whatever reason DL have stopped trying to deflect passes. We did the same thing last yr, early guys were doing it, it was working, but late we went away from it and all the passing lanes opened right back up.

I will at the very least stick by the jimmies and joes defense for this recent poor display of defense until next yr. If we are getting smoked again, when we do not have the 30, 31, 59s of the world doing little to not much then I would be forced to begin to question what is going on. But for now, we are having some seniors who were playing improved football early regressing back to their former selves as the season wears on. I mean 31 and 34 were pretty good the first few games, but man, they seem to have gotten worse as the season goes. Heck I would even venture to say DP52 has played like crap the last few games. I thought he blew in the FSU game...

Unfortunately, as has been the case for what seems like ten yrs now, we cannot get off a block to make a play to save our fuggin lives. DL,LB CB no one...... and thats through a lot of different players, and DC's HC's. I just dont know man....its befuddling.....

Here's to hoping we see some improvement from both the players and the staff this weekend because they are the U and I stand by them.

ummmm NO.... DP had 11 tackes 8 solo against FSU and 15 tackles 10 solo against VT. He has made the most plays in every game, the scheme is what has made him look bad at times but he's been making plays just on pure talent.

Also Jimmy Gaines is solid in run support and 2nd on the team in tackles.....the problem is the scheme. Dorito is setting our players up to fail and his "philosophy" is the reason why Cornelius and Highsmith are on the field.

It has nothing to do w/ wait to next year anything, the excuse will be the same, the reason why Denzel has so many solo tackles is b/c the scheme is about leaving a defender by himself to make a play by himself, if he misses then the offense breaks for a big play. No team can survive like that on defense, an elite defense puts all their players in position to get to the ball carrier and make the group tackle not leave one man out to dry.

You think the next Linerbacker is going to be able to cover a slot receiver by himself in open space w/ no help?..... NO, ur boy D'onofrio is the problem and nothing else.

 

[sebastian91]

Coach D may be part of the problem, but he certainly isn't the only problem.