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407cane said:
I haven’t seen anyone be a Norvell defender. Dude was made to coach in the group of 5 because he can’t recruit

It’s silly to ignore a winning streak and exclude that from the record though.

If we were to win 19 straight, your same method would apply to Mario who entered this season with a losing record. Let’s just be happy that we’re trending up and the noles got absolutely swindled and are tied to that loser for a few more years
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Then you're not looking. Plus, you're now doing it too.

Waaaaaah, waaahhh, "ignornign a winning streak". **** off with that nonsense.

It's about pointing out how terrible Prison Mike is without Jordan Travis making him look good.

You are doing EXACTLY what I have talked about. The passive-aggressive "but Prison Mike is good, you can't use statistical analysis to criticize him" bull****.

Thank you for proving my point.
 
jakeman1 said:
Norvell is a poor-man’s Jimbo Fisher. Made their money off an elite QB. Fisher was an 8-4 kind of coach without Winston.
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Exactly.

But somehow it's a bad thing to point that out. You can always spot a Prison Mike Fanboy, they're the ones who get their panties twisted because you point out that Justin Fuente built Memphis or that F$U got hot for 400 days with Jordan Travis and Jared Verse.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Then you're not looking. Plus, you're now doing it too.

Waaaaaah, waaahhh, "ignornign a winning streak". **** off with that nonsense.

It's about pointing out how terrible Prison Mike is without Jordan Travis making him look good.

You are doing EXACTLY what I have talked about. The passive-aggressive "but Prison Mike is good, you can't use statistical analysis to criticize him" bull****.

Thank you for proving my point.
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No you actually proved my point but I understand that can be tricky for you

Say “here’s his record without Jordan Travis”

Don’t say “here’s his record without all the wins”

One is smart and gets your point across, the other is dumb
 
407cane said:
No you actually proved my point but I understand that can be tricky for you

Say “here’s his record without Jordan Travis”

Don’t say “here’s his record without all the wins”

One is smart and gets your point across, the other is dumb
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What a ****y response.

I cannot even quantify the stupidity in that response you just **** out.

I didn't "take away all of Prison Mike's wins", you Norvell fanboy. And it's not like there is a small sample size for the rest of his games, he has coached 32 games at FSU outside of his 19-game winning streak.

Prison Mike was on the hot seat before he went undefeated for 400 days. He was 4-3 in 2022 He was 12-16 overall, and comparisons were being made to Willie Taggart who went 9-12 at FSU and was fired.

The reason for the analysis is simple. There have been other ****** coaches who got lucky to have one good QB.

The perfect comparison to Mike Norvell is Gene Chizik.

Gene Chizik: 17-game winning streak (14 with Cam Newton starting). 16-19 in the rest of his games at Auburn.
Prison Mike: 19-game winning streak (17 with Jordan Travis starting). 12-20 in the rest of his games at F$U.

Those are almost identical coaching performances. In fact, Prison Mike is going to have to go on a tear to even get as close to .500 as Chizik was without Cam Newton.

And "waaaah waaaaah", nobody "took away" all of Chizik's wins or Prison Mike's wins. In fact, if you really really really want me to "take away all of Prison Mike's wins with Travis", that would erase 12 more wins where Jordan Travis started games.

Prison Mike has won 31 games at F$U. 29 of those 31 wins were with Jordan Travis starting. Prison Mike Norvell is exactly 2-10 without Jordan Travis starting. Prior to his winning streak, Prison Mike was 12-10 with Jordan Travis starting. Prison Mike just got lucky to catch some 5th and 6th year Jordan Travis lightning in a bottle. Are you happy now?

Go cry somewhere else, like Warchant, you big crybaby.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Am I allowed to point out that Prison Mike Norvell's record at F$U, beyond his 19-game winning streak, is now sub-.400?

12-19 in games outside of the 19-game winning streak.

But keep rooting for your Portal-loving hero to turn things around in Talla-*******-hassee...
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Certainly not trying to carry water for Norvell, but I don't understand this logic. If someone said, "Take away Miami's 58 game Orange Bowl win streak and they were nothing in the 80s and 90s", we'd look at them sideways. I mean, he's 31-19 as FSU's coach. Is his portal philosophy sustainable? Doesn't look like it. But you don't need to cherry-pick his record to see that.
 
Crimpy said:
Certainly not trying to carry water for Norvell, but I don't understand this logic. If someone said, "Take away Miami's 58 game Orange Bowl win streak and they were nothing in the 80s and 90s", we'd look at them sideways. I mean, he's 31-19 as FSU's coach. Is his portal philosophy sustainable? Doesn't look like it. But you don't need to cherry-pick his record to see that.
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That's ridiculous.

First, Miami won a ton of away games during that same exact time. So if someone says we were "nothing" in the 80s and 90s without the home winning streak, that would be false. We went 45-10 (that is .818 compared to .954 in the OB) in non-Orange-Bowl-stadiums during The Streak years of 1985-1994, including three years where we were undefeated on the road (the 1987 and 1991 National Championship years, plus 1994 where we lost TWICE in the Orange Bowl to end The Streak) and 5 years where we only had one road loss (which includes the 1989 National Championship year). Once we lost 2 on the road, once we lost 3 on the road. That's a helluva 10 year road run.

Second, nobody is "cherry-picking" his record. That's just bull****. He is 31-20 right now. That is exactly one game above .600. If you can't look at his entire record and notice an outlier of 19 straight winning games over 400 days, you're just ignoring reality. "Cherry-picking" would be to pluck out multiple wins from each and every year and then claim that those "don't count", for no particular reason. That kind of cherry-picking is RANDOM. Pointing out that Prison Mike got hot for one period of time, the only such comparable run in his entire career (his prior longest winning streak ever was 7 games) is not "cherry-picking". It's just stating the obvious.

The reality is that Norvell has not been very good at F$U, outside of that one run. Period. That is inarguable. He was bad before the winning streak, and he is bad since the winning streak has ended. Statistically inarguable.
 
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407cane said:
No you actually proved my point but I understand that can be tricky for you

Say “here’s his record without Jordan Travis”

Don’t say “here’s his record without all the wins”

One is smart and gets your point across, the other is dumb
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Need two successful seasons with 2 different QBS to judge a coach.
 
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Update on Prison Mike's record at F$U:

32-23 overall (0.582 winning percentage)
19-0 during 19-game winning streak (1.000 winning percentage)
13-23 in all other games (0.371 winning percentage)
29-10 in Jordan Travis starts (0.744 winning percentage)
3-13 in non-Jordan Travis starts (0.1875 winning percentage)

2020 - 0-3 without Jordan Travis starting
2021 - 0-3 without Jordan Travis starting
2022 - Jordan Travis started in all games
2023 - 2-1 without Jordan Travis starting
2024 - 1-6 without Jordan Travis starting
 
I still disagree on ignoring his win streak (different thread) but I'll admit I was wrong on my take of him. I thought he was solid, not great. I thought wrong.
 
L A M P said:
I still disagree on ignoring his win streak (different thread) but I'll admit I was wrong on my take of him. I thought he was solid, not great. I thought wrong.
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It's not "ignoring", just stop with this. It's analysis. Chop things up, look at things from different perspectives. Talk about it. Agree or disagree, I don't care.

Prison Mike literally had one hot-streak of 19 games. Other than that, his performance has been TERRIBLE.

Travis wasn't the sole starter in 2020 or 2021. He was the only starter for 2022 (first 6 games of winning streak) and 2023 until he was injured (next 11 games of winning streak). Travis started 17 of the 19 games in that winning streak.

That's all. Carve out that one stretch, take a look at everything else. Prison Mike is ABYSMAL for the rest of his time at F$U.

And to be honest, Prison Mike's record "without Jordan Travis starting" is even worse than the record "outside of the 19 game winning streak". So your "suggestion" to break down his performance differently makes Norvell look even worse.
 
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Prison Mike literally had one hot-streak of 19 games. Other than that, his performance has been TERRIBLE.
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The denial of being an FSU fan right now is there is no successful coach in history that has had the falloff Norvell has had this year and gone on to be successful again. There is literally no precedent. So either Norvell is going to do something no other coach (honestly in any sport) has ever done or he's cooked. And he can't recruit.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
It's not "ignoring", just stop with this. It's analysis. Chop things up, look at things from different perspectives. Talk about it. Agree or disagree, I don't care.

Prison Mike literally had one hot-streak of 19 games. Other than that, his performance has been TERRIBLE.

Travis wasn't the sole starter in 2020 or 2021. He was the only starter for 2022 (first 6 games of winning streak) and 2023 until he was injured (next 11 games of winning streak). Travis started 17 of the 19 games in that winning streak.

That's all. Carve out that one stretch, take a look at everything else. Prison Mike is ABYSMAL for the rest of his time at F$U.

And to be honest, Prison Mike's record "without Jordan Travis starting" is even worse than the record "outside of the 19 game winning streak". So your "suggestion" to break down his performance differently makes Norvell look even worse.
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Bud. I'm admitting I was wrong, without being tagged, just based off memory. Take the W and keep on trucking mane.

Our original conversation we argued over the "besides 19 game win streak" part. I still can't disregard that. As you pointed out, it actually makes it look worse when you zoom out a bit. Just clarifying.
 
ben said:
I disagree with this thread. From the FSU games I’ve seen, I’ll defend Norvell to the death. He is the PERFECT coach for FSU and deserves our full support.
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Save this for Napier, who only has a $20+ million buyout. It will be another 5 years before Norvell's buyout is that low.
 
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