Has Morris regressed under Coley?

[cane305]

feel like our D was so bad that it masked all the other concerns last year.

 

[nycane]

there wss a reason coach golden believed in jacory so much over morris his sr year.

 

[SFbayCane]

We traded an offensive coordinator who had market value for a guy who had only one year's experience at play calling. Stephen Morris' decline is commensurate with the resume differential of our current and previous offensive coordinators.


As PennMed noted, look at the improvement in Jacory Harris during his one year under coach Fisch. We're now seeing that same type of movement to the downside going from Fisch to Coley.

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[HurricaneU]

The reason I put the beating a dead horse SFbay, is because there are or have been a relentless stream of new threads about Morris and his performance or lack thereof. But thank you for the neg for a gif.

 

[OMG618]

Just was never that good. He's still making freshman mistakes. He looked identical to Winston last night

What?

Anyways in reference to JC, we probably aren't 7-1 with Fisch and his overthinking, unbalanced and too gimmicky attack; we definitely lose vs UNC, probably UF too. I'd also like to point out Morris has never really delivered vs a quality opponent. He is what he is.

 

[CaneHammer]

We traded an offensive coordinator who had market value for a guy who had only one year's experience at play calling. Stephen Morris' decline is commensurate with the resume differential of our current and previous offensive coordinators.


As PennMed noted, look at the improvement in Jacory Harris during his one year under coach Fisch. We're now seeing that same type of movement to the downside going from Fisch to Coley.

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Morris is the same QB he was two years ago. You want a good reference. Go back and watch Kansas State and Notre Dame. I will not judge Coley based upon Morris.

 

[zone3cane]

No having an ankle injury, not having enough talent around him, and not being able to get on the field accept 5 minutes a quarter has regressed Morris.

Dorsett, Lewis, Scotts injuries and also not having Carter on the team has destroyed our WR depth.

Morris threw 2 interceptions but if the defense could get off the field on 3rd downs he would have more opportunities to make up for it.... Winston threw 2 picks but his defense doesnt get marched up and down the field all game so he can get right back on the field and make up for it.

If Winston didnt throw 2 interceptions they wouldve had the ball for 50 minutes of the entire 60 minute game.... no team can continue to survive under that type of pressure on defense and offense.

 

[canesman]

Morris has been terrible in big games.

Very good against crap teams.

 

[OBLIVION]

How dare you cats, talk down on the Manning Camp MVP. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. This is the 2nd greatest QB to ever grace the cane program in the last 20 years. This guy doesn't have to play when you want him too. He does it when it feels right, and only then. This guys is a future NFLer in the making. So sit back and enjoy history......or something like that.

 

[Pennmed Canefan]

Just was never that good. He's still making freshman mistakes. He looked identical to Winston last night

What?

Anyways in reference to JC, we probably aren't 7-1 with Fisch and his overthinking, unbalanced and too gimmicky attack; we definitely lose vs UNC, probably UF too. I'd also like to point out Morris has never really delivered vs a quality opponent. He is what he is.

Actually unc is the type of team where fisch wouldve had morris rolling. They are an 80th ranked defense. The fact that we had to go pure run against them is what is so troubling. Fisch didnt do anything against the uf-type defenses but under Coley we're now the woody hayes bucks against the likes of unc and wake.

It'll be VERY interesting to see what coley does now. He wont have duke so he has to generate a pass offense somehow.

 

[JHallCanes]

He's always sucked *** against real teams....you all just had delusional orange and green glasses on the whole time.

Unfortunately this is what separates Miami QB's from eachother. To be completely honest I think he actually played a pretty **** good game last night relatively speaking. His receivers did him zero favors. If we played them 10 times, that may be the best game he could play last night.

 

[cane since birth]

Morris is just making some bad passes, im pretty sure fisch gave him easy first reads last year which works against sub par and crappy teams, as everyone saw last year you cant do that with good teams (KSU, ND, FSU last year), morris has trouble reading the defense and he gets shacky in the pocket even when there is no pressure in the pocket

 

[SFbayCane]

We traded an offensive coordinator who had market value for a guy who had only one year's experience at play calling. Stephen Morris' decline is commensurate with the resume differential of our current and previous offensive coordinators.


As PennMed noted, look at the improvement in Jacory Harris during his one year under coach Fisch. We're now seeing that same type of movement to the downside going from Fisch to Coley.

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Morris is the same QB he was two years ago. You want a good reference. Go back and watch Kansas State and Notre Dame. I will not judge Coley based upon Morris.

Its fascinating to me that people want to judge coach Fisch based on the ND and K-State games last year but still won't be critical of coach Coley based on games like Wake and UNC. I dont get it.

 

[cane33]

He's always sucked *** against real teams....you all just had delusional orange and green glasses on the whole time.

Unfortunately this is what separates Miami QB's from eachother. To be completely honest I think he actually played a pretty **** good game last night relatively speaking. His receivers did him zero favors. If we played them 10 times, that may be the best game he could play last night.

Yeah...his receivers did him zero favors by beating their man consistently and forcing Morris to underthrow them. Outside of Walford our receivers played fine.

I'd still take our WRs over FSU's. The Problem was the QB not the WRs

 

[OMG618]

Just was never that good. He's still making freshman mistakes. He looked identical to Winston last night

What?

Anyways in reference to JC, we probably aren't 7-1 with Fisch and his overthinking, unbalanced and too gimmicky attack; we definitely lose vs UNC, probably UF too. I'd also like to point out Morris has never really delivered vs a quality opponent. He is what he is.

Actually unc is the type of team where fisch wouldve had morris rolling. They are an 80th ranked defense. The fact that we had to go pure run against them is what is so troubling. Fisch didnt do anything against the uf-type defenses but under Coley we're now the woody hayes bucks against the likes of unc and wake.

It'll be VERY interesting to see what coley does now. He wont have duke so he has to generate a pass offense somehow.

Even though he threw one bad pick after the other? I think you're missing my point, there was rarely a plan B under Fisch once Morris crapped the bed. OTH Coley remained persistent with the running game, despite Duke being out, and we won because of it.

 

[JHallCanes]

He's always sucked *** against real teams....you all just had delusional orange and green glasses on the whole time.

Unfortunately this is what separates Miami QB's from eachother. To be completely honest I think he actually played a pretty **** good game last night relatively speaking. His receivers did him zero favors. If we played them 10 times, that may be the best game he could play last night.

Yeah...his receivers did him zero favors by beating their man consistently and forcing Morris to underthrow them. Outside of Walford our receivers played fine.

I'd still take our WRs over FSU's. The Problem was the QB not the WRs

Don't get it twisted. I'm saying for what he is, he made some plays and got left out to dry. Certainly would never insinuate that he didn't miss open guys...but I didn't think we still needed to qualify that. It's what he does.

 

[cane305]

Morris looks like a prime candidate for Miami players who will do big things in the NFL.

a good coach can turn up the lights upstairs.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Absolutely. Look at his numbers this year and last year and the evidence is clear. One could argue that he was the same player before and Fisch just minimized it but whatever. Whether it's Morris or Fisch it's something. Fisch improved Jacory's error prone ways so he has that track record. I'm not sure anyone could make Morris look really good against a solid d that can pass rush with 4, but it's the mediocre play against the middling teams that is more troubling.

He's had one good game against an opponent that wasnt a total cripple and even that one featured a couple picks.

I suggest you go "look at the stats". Morris is the same player, just a little more injured up this year. He had three decent games at the end of last year against **** teams that distort fans memories of Fisch and Morris. He sucked last year and sucks this year.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

We traded an offensive coordinator who had market value for a guy who had only one year's experience at play calling. Stephen Morris' decline is commensurate with the resume differential of our current and previous offensive coordinators.


As PennMed noted, look at the improvement in Jacory Harris during his one year under coach Fisch. We're now seeing that same type of movement to the downside going from Fisch to Coley.

.

Morris is the same QB he was two years ago. You want a good reference. Go back and watch Kansas State and Notre Dame. I will not judge Coley based upon Morris.

Its fascinating to me that people want to judge coach Fisch based on the ND and K-State games last year but still won't be critical of coach Coley based on games like Wake and UNC. I dont get it.

You're right.....500 yards of offense against UNC, with a QB that went full ****** is all on the OC.

 

[Pennmed Canefan]

Just was never that good. He's still making freshman mistakes. He looked identical to Winston last night

What?

Anyways in reference to JC, we probably aren't 7-1 with Fisch and his overthinking, unbalanced and too gimmicky attack; we definitely lose vs UNC, probably UF too. I'd also like to point out Morris has never really delivered vs a quality opponent. He is what he is.

Actually unc is the type of team where fisch wouldve had morris rolling. They are an 80th ranked defense. The fact that we had to go pure run against them is what is so troubling. Fisch didnt do anything against the uf-type defenses but under Coley we're now the woody hayes bucks against the likes of unc and wake.

It'll be VERY interesting to see what coley does now. He wont have duke so he has to generate a pass offense somehow.

Even though he threw one bad pick after the other? I think you're missing my point, there was rarely a plan B under Fisch once Morris crapped the bed. OTH Coley remained persistent with the running game, despite Duke being out, and we won because of it.

Why are you making this fundamental assumption that Morris was guaranteed to throw 4 picks and Fisch wouldve had to adjust? Fisch showed the ability to limit Morris' mistakes and run up points on bad defenses. It's quite likely that he wouldve murdered wake and unc. You're acting like we're destined to have the outcomes we've had which misses the point of the thread--he's regressed AS EVIDENCED by games like unc, not fsu or uf.