Guidry dropping back DE's

[Astcloud11]

355lb Michael Pierce was dropped back into zone coverage for the Ravens and got an INT. Dropping back DEs every now and then was not an issue. Guidry just sucked

 

[TaylorWalls]

355lb Michael Pierce was dropped back into zone coverage for the Ravens and got an INT. Dropping back DEs every now and then was not an issue. Guidry just sucked

Or the players did. Or both.

 

[CANESCANES]

Or the players did. Or both.

Definitely both, there’s a reason overhaul is needed

 

[DoctorKrazey]

I’m not a defensive coach, guru, or expert by any means but the thing about Guidry that made no sense to me is this: If you see that your secondary isn’t very good and you’re not getting nearly enough pressure on the QB as you’d like, why not drop back into a soft zone more often and make teams kill you with 1,000 small cuts instead of constantly giving up big plays? Am I wrong here or what?

 

[cowboycane]

I’m not a defensive coach, guru, or expert by any means but the thing about Guidry that made no sense to me is this: If you see that your secondary isn’t very good and you’re not getting nearly enough pressure on the QB as you’d like, why not drop back into a soft zone more often and make teams kill you with 1,000 small cuts instead of constantly giving up big plays? Am I wrong here or what?

You mean the way GT did?

 

[CANEMC]

Occasionally it might be okay. But every series is crazy work.

 

[Manfred_Cane]

The Ravens were up 35-10....

 

[DTP]

355lb Michael Pierce was dropped back into zone coverage for the Ravens and got an INT. Dropping back DEs every now and then was not an issue. Guidry just sucked

Let me know when one of the 280 lb linemen we drop into coverage break up a pass, let alone get an interception.

I understand why team occasionally drop a lineman when bringing some kind of exotic zone blitz but there’s certain times and places where you do this. Expecting DT sized ends to be able to cover 180lb running backs for more than a second is unrealistic.

For example, the Pierce interception was a very specific circumstance. Cleveland was in the rezone so they couldn’t stretch the field vertically. The Ravens just dropped Pierce five yards into a shirt hook zone and the Cleveland QB threw it right to him. The weren’t expecting Pierce to stay with a running back streaking down the sideline. They didn’t expect him to cover much more than a 6x6 square foot area of field. It’s about being realistic with your lineman’s coverage ability.

 

[Mikesmith29150]

I’m not a defensive coach, guru, or expert by any means but the thing about Guidry that made no sense to me is this: If you see that your secondary isn’t very good and you’re not getting nearly enough pressure on the QB as you’d like, why not drop back into a soft zone more often and make teams kill you with 1,000 small cuts instead of constantly giving up big plays? Am I wrong here or what?

I heard I players on the back end didn't understand zone concepts

 

[Mikesmith29150]

I’m not a defensive coach, guru, or expert by any means but the thing about Guidry that made no sense to me is this: If you see that your secondary isn’t very good and you’re not getting nearly enough pressure on the QB as you’d like, why not drop back into a soft zone more often and make teams kill you with 1,000 small cuts instead of constantly giving up big plays? Am I wrong here or what?

I heard I players on the back end didn't understand zone concepts.

Our biggest issue was we didn't replace Kam at safety

 

[miami305]

Someone should look at the film and breakdown the percentages, how many times did Guidry have a DE drop in coverage, and the result was a positive or negative play for the defense. I'm betting it's single digits for a positive play. Or how many times did a stunt actually work

 

[DTP]

I’m not a defensive coach, guru, or expert by any means but the thing about Guidry that made no sense to me is this: If you see that your secondary isn’t very good and you’re not getting nearly enough pressure on the QB as you’d like, why not drop back into a soft zone more often and make teams kill you with 1,000 small cuts instead of constantly giving up big plays? Am I wrong here or what?

Because our DBs didn’t know how to play zone coverage. A single guy goes in motion and changes the strong side of the formation and our defense was completely lost. We had to play so much man to man because we couldn’t handle any kind of match zone coverage.

 

[Hurricane23]

I’m not a defensive coach, guru, or expert by any means but the thing about Guidry that made no sense to me is this: If you see that your secondary isn’t very good and you’re not getting nearly enough pressure on the QB as you’d like, why not drop back into a soft zone more often and make teams kill you with 1,000 small cuts instead of constantly giving up big plays? Am I wrong here or what?

Exact same thing I was saying all year, rush 3. Go cover 3 tight, squeeze the middle a little, either the flats would be open a little or short out routes, but it stops huge plays, you can blitz one sometimes to get more pressure, but hey who am I.

 

[Atom Atlas]

When you're not smarter than opposing OC's your defense is gonna be bad... Don't care how you try to scheme it .. you'll always be figured out....

 

[305 MOUNTAIN MAN]

I’m not a defensive coach, guru, or expert by any means but the thing about Guidry that made no sense to me is this: If you see that your secondary isn’t very good and you’re not getting nearly enough pressure on the QB as you’d like, why not drop back into a soft zone more often and make teams kill you with 1,000 small cuts instead of constantly giving up big plays? Am I wrong here or what?

Stop it, you make way too much sense.

 

[PennsylvaniaCane]

It wasn’t just that he dropped DL into coverage. It was that he under leveraged that side when doing so. All the QB needed to do was count the defenders on that side compared to his receivers and he would realize either one was gonna be uncovered or you’d have a DE covering. That’s why the quick flat was there all year against us. The QB would see his 2-3 receivers covered but no LB or Safety covering the offset RB. Same when we would have Kiko or another LB favoring the slot. Simple math would tell the QB if he was covering, spying, or blitzing.

 

[mirvin88]

Everything is fine in moderation

 

[canesigep23]

Didn’t dnofrio used to do this too?

 

[janneke99]

I’m not a defensive coach, guru, or expert by any means but the thing about Guidry that made no sense to me is this: If you see that your secondary isn’t very good and you’re not getting nearly enough pressure on the QB as you’d like, why not drop back into a soft zone more often and make teams kill you with 1,000 small cuts instead of constantly giving up big plays? Am I wrong here or what?

100%

 

[Groz73Cane]

Let me know when one of the 280 lb linemen we drop into coverage break up a pass, let alone get an interception.

I understand why team occasionally drop a lineman when bringing some kind of exotic zone blitz but there’s certain times and places where you do this. Expecting DT sized ends to be able to cover 180lb running backs for more than a second is unrealistic.

For example, the Pierce interception was a very specific circumstance. Cleveland was in the rezone so they couldn’t stretch the field vertically. The Ravens just dropped Pierce five yards into a shirt hook zone and the Cleveland QB threw it right to him. The weren’t expecting Pierce to stay with a running back streaking down the sideline. They didn’t expect him to cover much more than a 6x6 square foot area of field. It’s about being realistic with your lineman’s coverage ability.

And, Pierce certainly knew his ability. 5yds and drop to your knee.