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Cityboy4life82 said:
blackvern said:
The two-gapping is rare at the collegiate level, but pro teams have stronger, faster athletes who can get it done. It requires a player to fight off a block, and make a tackle to his left or right.


CItyboy called this last year and he reiterated this again this year....looks like we have a winner
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If we ran a one gap system similar to what Randy ran, our defense would probably be top 20 easily.
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Top 20? Really??
 
miamifan007 said:
Aren't you supposed to shed the block and try to tackle regardless what philosophy you're running?
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There's a difference between penetrating one yard behind the LOS and holding point on the LOS, locating the ball, shedding the block, and then making the play.
 
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jerzeycane said:
MAGIC CITY CANE said:
Would be interesting to know if the NFL prefers defensive lineman that have played in a 2 gap system in college.
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Being that most defenses are moving to a 2-gap scheme, I would assume so. Everyone in the AFC north runs a 3-4 and the best defense in the NFL runs a 3-4. It just comes with an overall sense of being more physical than the opponent
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But as previously stated you can run a 1-gap 3-4 as well.
 
razrcane said:
jerzeycane said:
MAGIC CITY CANE said:
Would be interesting to know if the NFL prefers defensive lineman that have played in a 2 gap system in college.
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Being that most defenses are moving to a 2-gap scheme, I would assume so. Everyone in the AFC north runs a 3-4 and the best defense in the NFL runs a 3-4. It just comes with an overall sense of being more physical than the opponent
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But as previously stated you can run a 1-gap 3-4 as well.
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Cowboys run a 1 gap 3-4




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1DHEcVtVdA
 
Cityboy4life82 said:
blackvern said:
The two-gapping is rare at the collegiate level, but pro teams have stronger, faster athletes who can get it done. It requires a player to fight off a block, and make a tackle to his left or right.


CItyboy called this last year and he reiterated this again this year....looks like we have a winner
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If we ran a one gap system similar to what Randy ran, our defense would probably be top 20 easily.
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Na, I don't think we would be top 20 with this DL (especially the DTs). We would still be getting killed on the ground, by the TEs, etc. Just too young and not enough playmakers.

We would be better though, probably mid pack around 50-60.
 
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CaneDaddy said:
or Coach D would have been fired:

Georgia Tech coach Paul Johnson had his reasons for firing defensive coordinator Al Groh midway through the season, and he candidly shared them on Wednesday during the weekly ACC coaches’ teleconference.

Johnson wasn’t defensive about his decision; rather he took the time to explain it.

“It was apparent to me that our guys were having a hard time doing what we were asking them to do,” Johnson said. “I think we had 47 missed assignments in the Clemson game. Some of the stuff we were trying to do was good stuff if you can do it, but we were having a hard time doing it.”

Johnson's reasons were all valid, and Groh's firing was hardly unexpected. It was the timing of it that caught many by surprise. The focus during the bye week will be getting back to basics and playing faster on defense, Johnson said. The Jackets aren’t going to shy away from Groh’s 3-4 scheme -- this year or next season -- but they are going to move away from the two-gap philosophy, which was giving the players fits, and revert to the one-gap. The two-gapping is rare at the collegiate level, but pro teams have stronger, faster athletes who can get it done. It requires a player to fight off a block, and make a tackle to his left or right.

“It became apparent to me we were struggling with it,” Johnson said. “We did not have the personnel to do what we were doing. Now do we have the personnel to do something else? We’re going to find out.”

Johnson said simplifying things will help the players, as will a more conventional approach. Johnson said every facet of the game needs to improve, but that the most glaring problems have been with the defense.

“The weakest link right now had been there and it didn’t seem to be getting better,” Johnson said. “In fact, it seemed to be going the other way.”

Johnson said his decision to fire Groh was about 12 games in the making, and was an “ongoing process” dating back to last season.

“It just came to the fact we weren’t playing very well,” Johnson said. “We’ve played football for a long time here at Georgia Tech, and we managed to give up 40 points in three consecutive games for the first time in the history of Georgia Tech football. Statistically we were 107 or 108 in the country on third downs. We were 91st in scoring. Any way you look at it, it wasn’t good. If you keep doing the same thing -- and I think Al Groh is a very smart man, he’s a good man -- but clearly it wasn’t working for us. He has a system and he runs his system. His system was not working for us, so we have to try to change. The definition of futility would be to keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect different results. It wasn’t working.”

“We have to play better than that,” Johnson said. “In my opinion, we need to see if we can. Maybe we won’t be able to, but I feel like we will. I think we can play better than that. Ultimately, I’m responsible for it, so I have to do what I feel gives us the best chance to win.”

Miami coach Al Golden, who spent four seasons (2001-04) at Virginia as defensive coordinator under Groh, said he was surprised by the decision.

"I was shocked," Golden said. "I don't think there's any question. I think everybody knows how I feel about Coach [Groh] and what he's meant to my career, and the opportunities that he afforded me. But I'm not there, I don't know what's transpired. I know Al, if he wants to continue to coach, he'll bounce back. He's an excellent coach."

http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/i...s-good-reasons
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What Paul Johnnson said!
 
DiegoCane said:
Cityboy4life82 said:
blackvern said:
The two-gapping is rare at the collegiate level, but pro teams have stronger, faster athletes who can get it done. It requires a player to fight off a block, and make a tackle to his left or right.


CItyboy called this last year and he reiterated this again this year....looks like we have a winner
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If we ran a one gap system similar to what Randy ran, our defense would probably be top 20 easily.
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Na, I don't think we would be top 20 with this DL (especially the DTs). We would still be getting killed on the ground, by the TEs, etc. Just too young and not enough playmakers.

We would be better though, probably mid pack around 50-60.
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Our current DT's would look like night and day in a one gap assignment. Grimble for example would be a totally different player. With the speed and athleticism while playing an ACC there is no doubt we would be top 20.
 
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Groh, a native of New York City and Long Island, was involved in controversy surrounding comments regarding the September 11, 2001 attacks in his hometown. In response to a reporter's question about whether he and his team should be afraid to fly their charter plane to Clemson soon thereafter, Groh stated "I'm not saying this to make light of it by any means, but I'm not planning on having Arabs in the traveling party, so therefore I think probably that the threat of our being hijacked is pretty remote".


ROFL!!!:rollcanes:
 
Cityboy4life82 said:
DiegoCane said:
Cityboy4life82 said:
blackvern said:
The two-gapping is rare at the collegiate level, but pro teams have stronger, faster athletes who can get it done. It requires a player to fight off a block, and make a tackle to his left or right.


CItyboy called this last year and he reiterated this again this year....looks like we have a winner
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If we ran a one gap system similar to what Randy ran, our defense would probably be top 20 easily.
Click to expand...

Na, I don't think we would be top 20 with this DL (especially the DTs). We would still be getting killed on the ground, by the TEs, etc. Just too young and not enough playmakers.

We would be better though, probably mid pack around 50-60.
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Our current DT's would look like night and day in a one gap assignment. Grimble for example would be a totally different player. With the speed and athleticism while playing an ACC there is no doubt we would be top 20.
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I'll just say I disagree big time and leave it at that. See Larry's post about what we really have on the DL. Top 20 is ridiculous IMO.
 
To take this a step further we weren't in the top 20 in total defense any of the 4 years Randy was HC but with this DL and playing about 15 FR on D you think we would this year?

Come on.
 
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I can see our coaches' reasons for wanting to run this defense, but until we get the types of players that can be SUCCESSFUL in that scheme, wouldn't it just make sense to run what fits the guys we have now? How about doing what he claimed when he became DC? "Scheme for the players".
 
TallyCaneFan said:
I can see our coaches' reasons for wanting to run this defense, but until we get the types of players that can be SUCCESSFUL in that scheme, wouldn't it just make sense to run what fits the guys we have now? How about doing what he claimed when he became DC? "Scheme for the players".
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Bingo!!! Very well said. I agree 100%.
 
We would be getting pushed around no matter what scheme we were playing. The debate isn't over this squad, it is larger and about the direction the defense will go in. This scheme can be very difficult for offenses when played correctly and with good players up front (as always, it goes back to the big boys)...but it is not for everyone.
 
MaxCane said:
TallyCaneFan said:
I can see our coaches' reasons for wanting to run this defense, but until we get the types of players that can be SUCCESSFUL in that scheme, wouldn't it just make sense to run what fits the guys we have now? How about doing what he claimed when he became DC? "Scheme for the players".
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Bingo!!! Very well said. I agree 100%.
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I completely understand your point. It is frustrating to watch us pound our head in to the wall over and over again, week in and week out.

But in order to win consistently, you have to have a system in place that transcends your talent. You can't just change defenses every offseason and expect to be successful. If you look at Alabama and TCU (those are the programs I think are the ones you want to model right now), they have very specific defensive systems in place and they therefore change guys out every offseason and rarely lose much when they do so. Their scheme creates stars. That's why Alabama can lose all those first and second rounders and have just as good a defense the next year. Our coaching staff believes in this system and once they get it going they should have interchangeable parts from season to season...that way one injury or one kid going early to the NFL doesn't derail the whole thing.

This defense was coming for years. We did a terrible job of recruiting / developing defensive linemen and it has come home to roost. Kids like Ivery and Moore and McCord should all get to redshirt and not be relied upon. If this staff develops kids here like they did at Temple, then it will course correct in a hurry.

It's just like anything else...the only way to get better at something is to do it and do it a whole bunch of times.
 
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