Golden in Perspective

[ball915]

Go watch Al's postgame speech after we got killed by Duke thanking the players for their effort. If you still have hope after listening to that then god bless you

You heard the entire speech? All I heard was a 5 second clip hand-picked by an editor from 3 Penny.

The clip from 3 Penny is all I needed to hear. There shouldn't of been one word "said" should of all been "yelling" after that debacle

LOL, ok. So you were there in the meeting room when the coaches watched film with the players then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHipzGL4dwM

Yeah that's it, I scored a VIP pass. First of all, whatever film they are watching is making our players worse and regress one week at a time. Does Al really ever come across as bothered by ****ing the Coastal away 2 weeks in a row with program embaressing losses to VT and Duke? He talks up the positive about making UVA look good. Elite coaches are never satisfied and let the public know about it. Al is too politically correct for me and our team plays just like it. How would Jimmy react after any loss yet alone one to ******* Duke? There is no fire whatsoever and players play like it and coaches coach like it. Mark is not coaching for his job and that is why we get worse every week. Want me to keep going?

 

[DeadPoets]

I'm cool with Al. Just get a new DC.

 

[sebastian91]

Yeah, Al does come off as someone who isn't happy. He's being PC for the media, but you can tell he isn't happy. You'd have to be an idiot to think he's satisfied based on any of his comments. And, no, I don't want you to keep going. Sometimes it's better to be thought a fool than to open your trap and confirm it.

 

[ball915]

Yeah, Al does come off as someone who isn't happy. He's being PC for the media, but you can tell he isn't happy. You'd have to be an idiot to think he's satisfied based on any of his comments. And, no, I don't want you to keep going. Sometimes it's better to be thought a fool than to open your trap and confirm it.

We will have to agree to disagree. For the record I've been the biggest Golden supporter until recently.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

So did duke and v tech out recruit us as well?

You know what, don't focus on VaTech. The measuring stick is Duke and their 350+ rushing yards.

Does OP think Duke is a more talented team than Miami? I've asked this of countless Dorito defenders and not a single one of them would answer.

Not a Dorito supporter or executioner but I feel Duke had better upperclass depth than Canes. The attrition and lack of remaining talent on 09-11 classes was acc bottomfeeder caliber, FYI Duke is 9-2 and ranked 23 in the country, this aint GA southern

Florida has more talent than Ga Southern and yes, we have more talent than Duke. Go look at their roster. We_Have_More_Talent. But we lost to Duke for the same reason Florida lost to GS. And it's not a talent issue. It's called not coaching up the players you have and not running a scheme that works. Attrition is a bull **** excuse.

To be clear, we don't have the talent to beat an Alabama or an FSU, but we sure as **** have talent enough to beat Duke.

 

[D.L.I.N.K.D.A.GR8]

So did duke and v tech out recruit us as well?

You know what, don't focus on VaTech. The measuring stick is Duke and their 350+ rushing yards.

Does OP think Duke is a more talented team than Miami? I've asked this of countless Dorito defenders and not a single one of them would answer.

Not a Dorito supporter or executioner but I feel Duke had better upperclass depth than Canes. The attrition and lack of remaining talent on 09-11 classes was acc bottomfeeder caliber, FYI Duke is 9-2 and ranked 23 in the country, this aint GA southern

I hate to do this... But BULL****.... It was posted in the WEZ Dukes Depth Chart was filled with freshman and sophomores and we outweighed them 20-40lbs on the d and o line. We just got outplayed buddy which is embarrassing. And when we played WE were #23 at a even 7-2. They didnt become #23 (BCS wise) until this week. No excuses thats a game that should be circled as a win every year.

 

[Consigliere]

Go watch Al's postgame speech after we got killed by Duke thanking the players for their effort. If you still have hope after listening to that then god bless you

You should be obsessing about the 160 points we allowed the last 4 games, not about his speak.

Coach speak is garbage, results on the field are most important.

Been plenty vocal about your thoughts. His speech is quite telling as instead of ripping them a new one for losing to Duke by 18, he thanks the players. Then we wonder why our guys play soft. Attitude reflects leadership.

My point is how can anyone have any energy to reflect on his bull **** speak when we let up 160 points over the last 4 games. I personally can't get over these points.

He can speak all he wants but the results matter. I also doubt he is happy about these past 4 games. He says one thing publicly, he thinks another way.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

So did duke and v tech out recruit us as well?

You know what, don't focus on VaTech. The measuring stick is Duke and their 350+ rushing yards.

Does OP think Duke is a more talented team than Miami? I've asked this of countless Dorito defenders and not a single one of them would answer.

On paper, we definitely have more talent than Duke. That isn't really debatable, which is likely why no one answers you. But more talent does not necessarily equal better football players. Games aren't played on paper.

You could have gone one step further and pointed out that great coaches get more out of less talented players and worse coaches get less from better players.

 

[NVA CANE]

Go watch Al's postgame speech after we got killed by Duke thanking the players for their effort. If you still have hope after listening to that then god bless you

You heard the entire speech? All I heard was a 5 second clip hand-picked by an editor from 3 Penny.

The clip from 3 Penny is all I needed to hear. There shouldn't of been one word "said" should of all been "yelling" after that debacle

Yep. I've heard Morris say it and I heard Howard say it. "You win some, you lose some" Thats a bull**** phrase and a soft mentality that trickles down from the coaches. You think any player would have the balls to say something like that under Muschamp or Bud Foster or someone of their ilk. Not a chance.

 

[ball915]

Go watch Al's postgame speech after we got killed by Duke thanking the players for their effort. If you still have hope after listening to that then god bless you

You should be obsessing about the 160 points we allowed the last 4 games, not about his speak.

Coach speak is garbage, results on the field are most important.

Been plenty vocal about your thoughts. His speech is quite telling as instead of ripping them a new one for losing to Duke by 18, he thanks the players. Then we wonder why our guys play soft. Attitude reflects leadership.

My point is how can anyone have any energy to reflect on his bull **** speak when we let up 160 points over the last 4 games. I personally can't get over these points.

He can speak all he wants but the results matter. I also doubt he is happy about these past 4 games. He says one thing publicly, he thinks another way.

I really want to believe your last sentence but don't see it. With comments defending Mark the way he does and things he focuses on when speak make me believe he truly is convinced that what we are doing is going to work. We have regressed every week and saying "it needs to get fixed" is great but the harsh reality it is only getting worse.

 

[dycane]

Just curious, at what point do we stop seeing these redundant f@cking posts. Trust me, I got it. I don't need to read about it anymore. There are no more takes on the situation.

 

[hoops156]

just win and idc what psychological bs he wants to pull. JUST WIN!

 

[zone3cane]

Al Golden is just a good recruiter but he's pathetic at everything else that has to do w/ being a Head Coach of a program

 

[Consigliere]

Just curious, at what point do we stop seeing these redundant f@cking posts. Trust me, I got it. I don't need to read about it anymore. There are no more takes on the situation.

Agreed. We get it but do something productive about it rather than posting on a message board.

 

[hoops156]

IMO, we need to get rid of the defensive scheme and philosophy next year. we need to bring in a new DC let him run his own stuff while Al stays hands off. its clear their system isn't working down here and since this is Al's scheme as well, he needs to stay away from D side of things. Golden should focus on his strengths -- recruiting, PR, being a good CEO. nothing wrong w that as long as u have great Xs and Os guys as ur assistants.

 

[Consigliere]

IMO, we need to get rid of the defensive scheme and philosophy next year. we need to bring in a new DC let him run his own stuff while Al stays hands off. its clear their system isn't working down here and since this is Al's scheme as well, he needs to stay away from D side of things. Golden should focus on his strengths -- recruiting, PR, being a good CEO. nothing wrong w that as long as u have great Xs and Os guys as ur assistants.

This plus a new DL coach. Hoping for the best but expectations are low until this happens above.

 

[WhatTheHell]

So generally coaches can be judged in their 3 year. So when you go back to the 2011 recruiting class what do you see? The #36 team ranking, and ONLY 2, yes 2 four stars. Compare this to BAMA and FSU. They finished 1-2 that year in recruiting. LSU #6, Auburn #7 Clemson #8 Ohio State #11. Hmmmm.

Now I think it is fair to say that his team lacks top end talent from high school and we are playing pretty much in line to above average from that class. Perryman, Dorsett, Crawford, Pierre, all 3 stars. Armbrister, King, Darrius Smith not ranked or 2 star. With all this, all I am saying is, I think this team has been coached up pretty well, and top end talent is important, next year will be coaches true 3rd year with top 9 class as juniors and guess what...our two best players from that class were 5 stars, duke and Tracy. Generally speaking, you need talent to be a talented team. In some cases you find Cinderella type teams, however do they win national championship, do they win year in and year out, no talent does though.

Great, but we're not playing LSU, Auburn, Clemson, or Ohio St.

Why don't you compare our incoming classes with Duke and tell me we've been coached up well?

 

[OldhamA]

Go watch Al's postgame speech after we got killed by Duke thanking the players for their effort. If you still have hope after listening to that then god bless you

You heard the entire speech? All I heard was a 5 second clip hand-picked by an editor from 3 Penny.

The clip from 3 Penny is all I needed to hear. There shouldn't of been one word "said" should of all been "yelling" after that debacle

LOL, ok. So you were there in the meeting room when the coaches watched film with the players then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHipzGL4dwM

Because football is a mystical art, only known to elite football players and coaches right, Jim?

God it's such an arrogant profession.

 

[sebastian91]

So did duke and v tech out recruit us as well?

You know what, don't focus on VaTech. The measuring stick is Duke and their 350+ rushing yards.

Does OP think Duke is a more talented team than Miami? I've asked this of countless Dorito defenders and not a single one of them would answer.

On paper, we definitely have more talent than Duke. That isn't really debatable, which is likely why no one answers you. But more talent does not necessarily equal better football players. Games aren't played on paper.

You could have gone one step further and pointed out that great coaches get more out of less talented players and worse coaches get less from better players.

I don't disagree with that. I don't know if these coaches are getting the most out of these kids or not. Some players just don't have it, regardless of their 40 times, lifting numbers, or vertical. Having physical tools doesn't make you a football player. Watching that NE/Denver game last night, it's amazing how much NFL talent comes from small or no-name schools. They make it because they're good football players, and maybe they have some good physical skills, too. I don't see a bunch of football players on this defense...there are some, but I don't think we're talented or deep enough to make up for the limitations, especially with the upperclassmen. Hey, just the way I see it, but I won't argue with the point that the coaching staff needs to do a much better job than they're doing now.

 

[Angry Ibis]

Just curious, at what point do we stop seeing these redundant f@cking posts. Trust me, I got it. I don't need to read about it anymore. There are no more takes on the situation.

Agreed. We get it but do something productive about it rather than posting on a message board.

Neither of you won a game yet today, so GTFOH.