Golden after practice

[The Franchise]

The talent is far from elite. But VT's offensive talent is also far from elite. Smart fans didn't expect UM to have a great D this year, but we didn't expect to continue to get emasculated in huge games by 100th rated offenses either. That game was for everything we've wanted (Coastal title, a 14th game, another shot at fsu, growth as a program), and what did we do? We sprayed diarrhea all over the field like napalm. That can't be viewed as anything but a bad sign, and anyone who tells you otherwise just has their head in the sand.

I gave these guys every single benefit of the doubt and defended their sporadic garbage. But that VT game was worse than anything I've ever seen from UM. It was worse than anything from last season because the talent is most definitely better than it was last year. Yet we allowed the 100th ranked offense that Duke shut down when Duke's own QB threw 4 INTs have their way with us completely.

It wasn't an isolated play here or there. It was EVERY FCKING PLAY. Every play was dealer's choice out there. How many negative plays did we get on them? It was a disgrace and shouldn't be so easily brushed off.

Corch Al is officially on the clock. I'm in Missouri Mode with this guy from here on out because he's eaten up his cushion with me.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

The talent is far from elite. But VT's offensive talent is also far from elite. Smart fans didn't expect UM to have a great D this year, but we didn't expect to continue to get emasculated in huge games by 100th rated offenses either. That game was for everything we've wanted (Coastal title, a 14th game, another shot at fsu, growth as a program), and what did we do? We sprayed diarrhea all over the field like napalm. That can't be viewed as anything but a bad sign, and anyone who tells you otherwise just has their head in the sand.

I gave these guys every single benefit of the doubt and defended their sporadic garbage. But that VT game was worse than anything I've ever seen from UM. It was worse than anything from last season because the talent is most definitely better than it was last year. Yet we allowed the 100th ranked offense that Duke shut down when Duke's own QB threw 4 INTs have their way with us completely.

It wasn't an isolated play here or there. It was EVERY FCKING PLAY. Every play was dealer's choice out there. How many negative plays did we get on them? It was a disgrace and shouldn't be so easily brushed off.

Corch Al is officially on the clock. I'm in Missouri Mode with this guy from here on out because he's eaten up his cushion with me.

You call it a bad sign....I call it a very, very bad game. Big difference. Heaven forbid Al be on the clock with the great Chise. I love your posts but you are over reacting a little I think.

I agree.....that was one of the single most painful games I've ever witnessed. But Al is going to prove you wrong on this one.

 

[The Franchise]

The talent is far from elite. But VT's offensive talent is also far from elite. Smart fans didn't expect UM to have a great D this year, but we didn't expect to continue to get emasculated in huge games by 100th rated offenses either. That game was for everything we've wanted (Coastal title, a 14th game, another shot at fsu, growth as a program), and what did we do? We sprayed diarrhea all over the field like napalm. That can't be viewed as anything but a bad sign, and anyone who tells you otherwise just has their head in the sand.

I gave these guys every single benefit of the doubt and defended their sporadic garbage. But that VT game was worse than anything I've ever seen from UM. It was worse than anything from last season because the talent is most definitely better than it was last year. Yet we allowed the 100th ranked offense that Duke shut down when Duke's own QB threw 4 INTs have their way with us completely.

It wasn't an isolated play here or there. It was EVERY FCKING PLAY. Every play was dealer's choice out there. How many negative plays did we get on them? It was a disgrace and shouldn't be so easily brushed off.

Corch Al is officially on the clock. I'm in Missouri Mode with this guy from here on out because he's eaten up his cushion with me.

You call it a bad sign....I call it a very, very bad game. Big difference.

A very very bad game against an average team on that stage with all that at stake is a bad sign, especially when you couple it with a long pattern of bad/abysmal defense. Corch Al has a history of flopping like that too. Check his performances at Temple when they were playing for chances to win the MAC with equal/better talent than the teams they were facing.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

The best head coaches typically are all jackasses. Saban, Meyer, Patterson, Gundy, Kelly, Stoops. Have seen zero edge from Al yet. Agreed that we don't know what goes on behind close doors and am sure that he does light a fire. My point is I am less concerned with him keeping a positive image at the mircophone as yes sometimes public criticism is what forces individuals to perform at a higher level. Based on all of Coach D's comments and interviews he feels no fire whatsoever and that is frightening for this program.

Kelly just lost to PITT, was in nail biters with NAVY and PURDUE. The don't call Stoops "Big game Bob" for nothin'. Patterson is is 4-6 and hasn't won **** since joining a real conference. As I said in previous threads, there are really only 2 coaches in College football that can be considered elite by this boards standards and that's Meyer and Saban. Everyone else is a Corch.

Pete Carroll is the ultimate players coach. Dude runs a ****ing meditation clinic practically. He's done alright for himself.

You just said it all there my friend. The expectations of some fans these days is totally detached from all reality. Patience and perspective dont exist. If you arent Saban or Meyer, you suck d*ck as a Corch and should be fired immidiately. Makes me laugh to read all these cats now saying "Man I wish we had Butch back", LMAO, the same Butch that people were flying banners over the OB insulting and calling for his head, calling him "Botch Davis" and demanding his firing on a weekly basis.

The real problem here is we started off TOO good. Fools Gold. People bought into unrealistic expectations and fantasy. We were a VERY overrated team sitting at #7. This team is still trotting out AJ Highsmith, Jimmy Gaines and Cornelius every week. A 5th year transfer who was a back up at freaking UVA as a NT because our talent and depth on the DL is so bad, bad RB depth, and a QB who cant keep his head on straight for more than 3 plays a half. Yes we have a big problem on Defense coaching wise, but people dont really appreciate just how many holes this team still has.

 

[The Franchise]

The best head coaches typically are all jackasses. Saban, Meyer, Patterson, Gundy, Kelly, Stoops. Have seen zero edge from Al yet. Agreed that we don't know what goes on behind close doors and am sure that he does light a fire. My point is I am less concerned with him keeping a positive image at the mircophone as yes sometimes public criticism is what forces individuals to perform at a higher level. Based on all of Coach D's comments and interviews he feels no fire whatsoever and that is frightening for this program.

Kelly just lost to PITT, was in nail biters with NAVY and PURDUE. The don't call Stoops "Big game Bob" for nothin'. Patterson is is 4-6 and hasn't won **** since joining a real conference. As I said in previous threads, there are really only 2 coaches in College football that can be considered elite by this boards standards and that's Meyer and Saban. Everyone else is a Corch.

Pete Carroll is the ultimate players coach. Dude runs a ****ing meditation clinic practically. He's done alright for himself.

You just said it all there my friend. The expectations of some fans these days is totally detached from all reality. Patience and perspective dont exist. If you arent Saban or Meyer, you suck d*ck as a Corch and should be fired immidiately. Makes me laugh to read all these cats now saying "Man I wish we had Butch back", LMAO, the same Butch that people were flying banners over the OB insulting and calling for his head, calling him "Botch Davis" and demanding his firing on a weekly basis.

The real problem here is we started off TOO good. Fools Gold. People bought into unrealistic expectations and fantasy. We were a VERY overrated team sitting at #7. This team is still trotting out AJ Highsmith, Jimmy Gaines and Cornelius every week. A 5th year transfer who was a back up at freaking UVA as a NT because our talent and depth on the DL is so bad, bad RB depth, and a QB who cant keep his head on straight for more than 3 plays a half. Yes we have a big problem on Defense coaching wise, but people dont really appreciate just how many holes this team still has.

I don't want Butch Davis, but I'd sure as **** trade Corch Al for Bob Petrino.

 

[miamimike]

Chise I love your passion brother! I am not near running out of patience with Al but I sure can understand why people are. I also agree with a lot of your post. Our talent is well below top twenty team talent IMO. It doesn't excuse the constant softness of this defense. The lack of adjustments is frightening. Being a dolphin fan it reminds me of the Tom Olividoti years. Ultimately I do have faith in Coach Golden to fix what needs fixed. It's much easier to stomach you rants about poor play or questionable coaching because your love for this program is obvious. Always appreciate your point of view and the humor that comes along with them. Keep the faith. Al's gonna right the ship but it still could be ugly for a bit.

 

[frostycane]

"I'm not buying your quote, if you wanna write that, then you can." STFU SMD

I liked how he went after her there.

Yeah too bad he and his team didn't go half as hard after Logan Thomas. But he can rip a female reporter who is just doing her job a new one.

And to prove your dissatisfaction with the Coach your gonna go after him for ****ting on the dumbest reporter to ever don a microphone? pot meet kettle

I dont know how anyone can go after our coach right now. So tell me did you donate to the banner thanking Al for sticking with us when we were winning? I mean any poster here getting ****ed now and calling for coaches to get fired are just proving to me they are just a bunch of front runners! Got their back as long as there is a level of success your happy with, like you fuggin matter! Support the team and coaches! They are all Canes!

 

[frostycane]

The talent is far from elite. But VT's offensive talent is also far from elite. Smart fans didn't expect UM to have a great D this year, but we didn't expect to continue to get emasculated in huge games by 100th rated offenses either. That game was for everything we've wanted (Coastal title, a 14th game, another shot at fsu, growth as a program), and what did we do? We sprayed diarrhea all over the field like napalm. That can't be viewed as anything but a bad sign, and anyone who tells you otherwise just has their head in the sand.

I gave these guys every single benefit of the doubt and defended their sporadic garbage. But that VT game was worse than anything I've ever seen from UM. It was worse than anything from last season because the talent is most definitely better than it was last year. Yet we allowed the 100th ranked offense that Duke shut down when Duke's own QB threw 4 INTs have their way with us completely.

It wasn't an isolated play here or there. It was EVERY FCKING PLAY. Every play was dealer's choice out there. How many negative plays did we get on them? It was a disgrace and shouldn't be so easily brushed off.

Corch Al is officially on the clock. I'm in Missouri Mode with this guy from here on out because he's eaten up his cushion with me.

Apparently, you were not around for the Randy Shannon era of college foosball here at the U. Everytime it looked like we turned the corner we played a game just like this past one. I saw this loss coming during FSU week. I knew this game had much bigger implications on our season because we could get to the ACCCG with or without a win at FSU but we NEEDED this win regardless. We got neither, I love the way this schedule started out however anyone could look at these two games and said, why have your two toughest opponents back to back with the lesser but more important one second. Even if we had beat FSU I think we would have lost to VT. We would've though we were world beaters and proceeded to crap the bed.

For me, I am starting to think its the front runner mentality of kids that come to Miami. They come expecting to win, and once the shot at an undefeated season goes so does the passion. I am not 100% on it just being a coaching staff issue. I think there is still a small bit of entitlement on the team, I dont think they are all process driven. Which, will end up beating you when you have guys that are just not that talented out there.

Going forward, I would like to see some of these freshman get some looks. I am ready for #5 and #7 on defense. I am ready to see #17 and #98 on first and second downs. I am ready for a STEADY dose of #1 and #3 on offense. I would like to see some OT as well. He deserves as much if not more than #17 on O so give him some run time... Oh and while were at it lets get some Sandland in there too!

 

[AtrainCane]

Ok people lets make this simple. This is the question. Why does every qb we face have their best or near career best game?

Haven't you noticed that. We make BUMS look like Joe fckn Montana every week.

If you don't believe me go back for the last 3 years and take a look.

 

[LA\^/]

It's so frustrating seeing this entire board having a meltdown like a bunch of ****ing pussies. I get it, we lost a big game but shut the **** up seriously. Support your ****ing team, our entire fanbase minus Nites has been obsessed with Al Golden and now all this bull**** talk comes up after one loss? I guess everyone is losing sight of the fact that our team is 7-2. Who knows, we might even finish 10-2 or better and for a team that is mostly comprised of underclassmen starters, thats pretty ****ing good.

If we have Duke Johnson Saturday that game is played out differntly. We all know our RB depth is a ****ing joke. I'm just sick of everyone being in an absolute panic mode after one loss. The season is not entirely over yet and more importantly, Al Golden and the team deserve our unwavering support. Our collective fanbase needs to get behind Golden and support him AND APPLAUD HIM MAYBE for his work. What if he bailed on our school that we all care about and love so much before his career even started when the whole NCAA **** happened? Well guess what, he didn't. He dug his feet in and ****ing dominated the NCAA by crushing the recruiting game, and guess what? Being 7-2 the last year he was dealing with all the bull**** from the NCAA. And guess what? The NCAA **** is behind us... I'd even say things are going to get even better since thats the case!! Teams can't negative recruit us anymore!! Who knows? Maybe Al Golden will be able to recruit EVEN BETTER than he has without the NCAA on his back (OH WAIT LOOK HE IS DOING THAT WITH OUR 14 CLASS RANKED 4th!!!!)

Everyone calm down seriously acting like our record is 2-7 and the world is ending. Support our coach, support our players, and act like a real fanbase. SEC schools and even some ACC schools would sell out their stadium and give their left nut for their team even if they were 2-7. Stop acting like a bunch of spoiled, entitled, brats. Support our staff and players, period.

Exactly how i feel, well put.

We are in a much better position program wise than soooo many other schools. Great programs like USC, Texas, UF, etc. look like **** right now. The fans of their teams don't even know what the future holds for their team. At least we know we have a coach that's gonna be here for the long haul and work his *** off to get this team back to national prominence without any short cuts.

Idk why we have so many entitled fans that feel we are in a position where it's win or gtfo.... No it's not like that anymore. Al Golden is starting this **** from scratch in his own vision and i think some people lost sight of that vision he has.

It was all good just a week ago.

 

[hoops156]

I completely agree with his assessment, 3 short fields immediately after two 3 and outs and looking like heading into a 2 score lead early with miserable weather. too much for a thin defense with average talent to handle. we are not good enough on D to withstand turnovers

so you are accepting 549 yards to the 101st ranked offense? GTFOH

Do you watch the games? We are not that talented. We have one great player up to this point that's it.....

duke has more talent on D than miami now?

 

[hoops156]

I still think Golden is a great coach, but our defense is awful. I have zero confidence in our ability to get off the field on third downs, and our red zone defense is just bad.

Shannon wasn't half the coach Al Golden is, but Shannon's defenses were better.

I think we need to make a change in d coordinators this offseason and hopefully that doesn't ***** up our recruiting class.

lol I'm thinking it'll help the recruiting class

 

[zone3cane]

while he is right, if we go up 14-0, we probably stomp them, but that would have hid our terrible defense once again.
Point is we didnt go up 14-0 and the defense went all D'onofrio

time to get some pass rushers in on 2nd and long,
time to bench #30
time to see less #59, and #31

and #52 needs to learn to cover someone or move inside and be a 2 down player

lol @ DP being a "2 down player"..... THINKING isnt a strong suit on this message board. smh

Denzel Perryman had 15 tackles (10 solo) most of them were in space..... Dorito left his entire defense exposed.

no LB should be expected to be able to cover a slot receiver going across the middle, especially in the rain.

 

[tdjones34]

while he is right, if we go up 14-0, we probably stomp them, but that would have hid our terrible defense once again.
Point is we didnt go up 14-0 and the defense went all D'onofrio

time to get some pass rushers in on 2nd and long,
time to bench #30
time to see less #59, and #31

and #52 needs to learn to cover someone or move inside and be a 2 down player

lol @ DP being a "2 down player"..... THINKING isnt a strong suit on this message board. smh

Denzel Perryman had 15 tackles (10 solo) most of them were in space..... Dorito left his entire defense exposed.

no LB should be expected to be able to cover a slot receiver going across the middle, especially in the rain.

zone your responses are so predictable, if it doesnt suit your agenda you attack it

DP is a great player and plays harder than most, has the potential to be special, but he has not been covering anyone good all year, he was ebad in coverage against against wake, and didnt have a good game the other day, he has been covering rb's and te's not wr in the slot.

its #31 that is covering wr's in the slot

I didnt say he is a 2 down player, I said he needed to improve or he should be

 

[Loafers]

I completely agree with his assessment, 3 short fields immediately after two 3 and outs and looking like heading into a 2 score lead early with miserable weather. too much for a thin defense with average talent to handle. we are not good enough on D to withstand turnovers

so you are accepting 549 yards to the 101st ranked offense? GTFOH

Do you watch the games? We are not that talented. We have one great player up to this point that's it.....

duke has more talent on D than miami now?

Where did this misnomer come from that some how Duke dominated VT? LT threw for 220 and rushed for over 100yds. VT had 400yds of offense and that included 4 ints. Im sure they go for 500. Now i didnt watch much of the game so I am not sure why he threw 4 ints. Are we sure it was caused by the vaunted Duke D? He is pretty erratic. He threw for 400 yards on BC. I am not comparing talent. That isnt the point. I just dont understand why everyone acts like becvause Duke beat VT that they are some how a great team. The threw for 100yds and threw 4 ints themselves. They went 0-11 on third downs. Duke very well might throw for 400yds against Miami but somehow elluding that this will happen because they beat VT is way off base.

 

[The Franchise]

The talent is far from elite. But VT's offensive talent is also far from elite. Smart fans didn't expect UM to have a great D this year, but we didn't expect to continue to get emasculated in huge games by 100th rated offenses either. That game was for everything we've wanted (Coastal title, a 14th game, another shot at fsu, growth as a program), and what did we do? We sprayed diarrhea all over the field like napalm. That can't be viewed as anything but a bad sign, and anyone who tells you otherwise just has their head in the sand.

I gave these guys every single benefit of the doubt and defended their sporadic garbage. But that VT game was worse than anything I've ever seen from UM. It was worse than anything from last season because the talent is most definitely better than it was last year. Yet we allowed the 100th ranked offense that Duke shut down when Duke's own QB threw 4 INTs have their way with us completely.

It wasn't an isolated play here or there. It was EVERY FCKING PLAY. Every play was dealer's choice out there. How many negative plays did we get on them? It was a disgrace and shouldn't be so easily brushed off.

Corch Al is officially on the clock. I'm in Missouri Mode with this guy from here on out because he's eaten up his cushion with me.

Apparently, you were not around for the Randy Shannon era of college foosball here at the U. Everytime it looked like we turned the corner we played a game just like this past one. I saw this loss coming during FSU week. I knew this game had much bigger implications on our season because we could get to the ACCCG with or without a win at FSU but we NEEDED this win regardless. We got neither, I love the way this schedule started out however anyone could look at these two games and said, why have your two toughest opponents back to back with the lesser but more important one second. Even if we had beat FSU I think we would have lost to VT. We would've though we were world beaters and proceeded to crap the bed.

For me, I am starting to think its the front runner mentality of kids that come to Miami. They come expecting to win, and once the shot at an undefeated season goes so does the passion. I am not 100% on it just being a coaching staff issue. I think there is still a small bit of entitlement on the team, I dont think they are all process driven. Which, will end up beating you when you have guys that are just not that talented out there.

Going forward, I would like to see some of these freshman get some looks. I am ready for #5 and #7 on defense. I am ready to see #17 and #98 on first and second downs. I am ready for a STEADY dose of #1 and #3 on offense. I would like to see some OT as well. He deserves as much if not more than #17 on O so give him some run time... Oh and while were at it lets get some Sandland in there too!

If you saw that abomination of a performance coming deep into year 3, then that should make you very uncomfortable with the direction of the program. If UM fans are expecting UM to get drubbed by an average VT team with a terrible offense, then that should make UM fans sick.

 

[The Franchise]

I completely agree with his assessment, 3 short fields immediately after two 3 and outs and looking like heading into a 2 score lead early with miserable weather. too much for a thin defense with average talent to handle. we are not good enough on D to withstand turnovers

so you are accepting 549 yards to the 101st ranked offense? GTFOH

Do you watch the games? We are not that talented. We have one great player up to this point that's it.....

duke has more talent on D than miami now?

Where did this misnomer come from that some how Duke dominated VT? LT threw for 220 and rushed for over 100yds. VT had 400yds of offense and that included 4 ints. Im sure they go for 500. Now i didnt watch much of the game so I am not sure why he threw 4 ints. Are we sure it was caused by the vaunted Duke D? He is pretty erratic. He threw for 400 yards on BC. I am not comparing talent. That isnt the point. I just dont understand why everyone acts like becvause Duke beat VT that they are some how a great team. The threw for 100yds and threw 4 ints themselves. They went 0-11 on third downs. Duke very well might throw for 400yds against Miami but somehow elluding that this will happen because they beat VT is way off base.

How many points did Duke allow VT to score? You left that out. VT gained a bunch of yards, but that doesn't matter. They didn't score because Duke tightened up when it counted. You also left out that Duke's QB threw 4 INTs in that game too. If you listen to our fans, our 3 turnovers against VT were a death knell. Duke's QB was constantly coughing it up, yet they still managed to hold VT to meager points.

 

[Gatorhater]

Yes too comfortable. When has Al ever been ****ed off?

I don't want Al fired because of the majority of your text above. I want change and pressure on the coordinators. On the flip side, because of your text above and deservingly so Al can do no wrong in Donna's eyes so the pressure from his bosses aren't quite the same as your typical Canes coach

I know for a fact he was pretty ****ed off in the locker room after the game. But the only thing acceptable to some people around here would be a melt down at the post game podium and the immediate firing of the entire D staff with three games left in the season.

Not asking for Dennis Green or Jim Mora blowup. Asking for less politically correct answers and public pressure of both coordinators and letting us know he is ****ed off. Keeping things behind closed doors all the time can lose value. Golden's answers look like our front seven. Dancing around blocks because they are soft instead of answering a question head on and driving the opponent back. We play like he talks.

How do you know how we talks to the team behind closed doors? So "less politcally correct answers and public pressure of both coordinators and letting us know he is ****ed off" is the key? That will make Dorito come up with a better scheme? That'll make #30 a better player? The guy is trying to handle things in a professional manner with the media. He's said, "we need to do a better job, coordinators need to do a better job, I need to do a better job."

If only we could see this guy rip his coordinators in public, drop a few F-bombs in an interview...we'd be so much better.

The best head coaches typically are all jackasses. Saban, Meyer, Patterson, Gundy, Kelly, Stoops. Have seen zero edge from Al yet. Agreed that we don't know what goes on behind close doors and am sure that he does light a fire. My point is I am less concerned with him keeping a positive image at the mircophone as yes sometimes public criticism is what forces individuals to perform at a higher level. Based on all of Coach D's comments and interviews he feels no fire whatsoever and that is frightening for this program.

Add JJ to that list. Plus, Howard was actually a terror when players slacked--pipe and jacket notwithstanding. Old Fins were scared to death of Shula. Easy going nice guys lke Larry only win when the talent is off the charts. That said, I don't think Al is that nice. We will see. He went from "have whatever job he wants" to "wait a minute, here" in the two shortest weeks I have seen. He has **** of recruiting class coming but what will staff do with them. Chad throws linemen into backfield--will that be allowed in Al's defense or will he ride the pine until he learns to hold onto that blocker at all cost? I want Al as HC, BUT i want Kirby Smart as DC, whatever the cost(it will more than Al makes)

 

[Loafers]

so you are accepting 549 yards to the 101st ranked offense? GTFOH

Do you watch the games? We are not that talented. We have one great player up to this point that's it.....

duke has more talent on D than miami now?

Where did this misnomer come from that some how Duke dominated VT? LT threw for 220 and rushed for over 100yds. VT had 400yds of offense and that included 4 ints. Im sure they go for 500. Now i didnt watch much of the game so I am not sure why he threw 4 ints. Are we sure it was caused by the vaunted Duke D? He is pretty erratic. He threw for 400 yards on BC. I am not comparing talent. That isnt the point. I just dont understand why everyone acts like becvause Duke beat VT that they are some how a great team. The threw for 100yds and threw 4 ints themselves. They went 0-11 on third downs. Duke very well might throw for 400yds against Miami but somehow elluding that this will happen because they beat VT is way off base.

How many points did Duke allow VT to score? You left that out. VT gained a bunch of yards, but that doesn't matter. They didn't score because Duke tightened up when it counted. You also left out that Duke's QB threw 4 INTs in that game too. If you listen to our fans, our 3 turnovers against VT were a death knell. Duke's QB was constantly coughing it up, yet they still managed to hold VT to meager points.

I did mention the 4ints from the Duke QB. Like I said I didnt watch much of the game. Maybe a series or two. You say Duke's D tightened up. Did you watch the game? I am asking seriously not condescending. I am just saying that we are acting like Duke won the game because of some dominating performance. Duke played miserably and won. They get credit for the W but there is nothing about that game that should be a cause for concern this week. Now our D's performance lately is.

"VT gained a bunch of yards, but that doesn't matter. They didn't score because Duke tightened up when it counted". Coach D is that you? Sorry couldnt resist.

 

[Dingaan1828]

Duke won because Thomas self-destructed.