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Number1CanesFan said:
He closes, but is it really him most of the time? I doubt he's in contact the way Mario is. No coach is. Mario's relentless. The man is texting people at 3 and 4 in the morning.
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Don't sleep on Saban. When bama hired him they hired him cause of the way he recruits. That was no secret that he was a monster recruiter and has proven that he is for the last 10+ years.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Man, please stop. Who said "he's the luckiest guy ever"?

But is it wrong to say he was elevated to OC at Clemson with no real national search, no real competition, and very little resume to that point? Is that wrong, or just factual?

Yes, Billy got LUCKY that Dabo was hired as an interim and had no juice to go out and hire the kind of coaching staff that Mario just did. That's called being in the right place at the right time, IS IT NOT? And, again, if Billy had gone on to have an amazing career at Clemson, you start to forget about how he got the job in the first place. BUT HE WAS FIRED AFTER TWO YEARS.

As for his tenure at Alabama, yes, he got LUCKY to be taken on by Saban. Why? Because he did not really have the resume to merit the job he was given. Mario was a FORMER HEAD COACH, he took his team to bowls. Billy hung out in South Carolina schools for 8 years, finally getting a lucky break at Clemson and turning it into a firing 2 years later. To act as if that merited a job at Alabama ignores the obvious, that Dabo (out of guilt?) arranged a cushy landing spot for his 5-year buddy. Again, if you think I'm wrong, tell me what Billy did to DESERVE a spot in Saban's Rehab Clinic.

Tell me how I've "discredited the work that Billy has done". What amazing work has he done? He has a habit of claiming credit for recruits he didn't recruit. He's not known as a good game day coach. He doesn't have some revolutionary playbook a la Dennis Erickson. I seem to keep hearing that Billy is hella organized and super thorough, which are great skills for a file clerk. I have said nothing about his time at Louisiana, he did a bang-up job for 4 years at a G5 school.

So tell me where I said anything "untrue" about Billy Napier. I'd love to hear this.

All you have done is to state the obvious about how the coaching fraternity contines to recycle itself into new jobs after multiple prior failures. And? That justifies a huge contract at a top SEC school, a $40 million buyout, and unprecedented salary structure for assistants and staff?

Billy Napier may yet succeed at Florida, but there is nothing wrong with pointing out his thin resume, lack of tangible accomplishments to which HE should be credited, and the false myth of him being a great recruiter.
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Bro we disagree about how much luck played a part in him getting jobs besides the one we both agree he was in the right place at the right time for his promotion by dabo.

Relax now please. We don’t need to write 5 page papers explaining our reasoning.

It’s ok to disagree
 
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Dwinstitles said:
Don't sleep on Saban. When bama hired him they hired him cause of the way he recruits. That was no secret that he was a monster recruiter and has proven that he is for the last 10+ years.
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You're not telling me anything I don't know. When Mario was on staff for Saban, was it Mario or Saban that brought SF kids to Bama? Who gets the credit?
 
RVACane said:
How are you feeling about Billy - waiting for results on the field?

Do you think he’ll turn recruiting around? He’s in a hole- beyond NIL - because of staff resumes and experience I think.
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Exactly. He brought 6 of his coaches from Louisiana and like George and Weezy they all moved up the ladder.

The thing is they don't have the coaching pedigree for top tier prospects.

Sunbelt Billy's theme song.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Man, please stop. Who said "he's the luckiest guy ever"?

But is it wrong to say he was elevated to OC at Clemson with no real national search, no real competition, and very little resume to that point? Is that wrong, or just factual?

Yes, Billy got LUCKY that Dabo was hired as an interim and had no juice to go out and hire the kind of coaching staff that Mario just did. That's called being in the right place at the right time, IS IT NOT? And, again, if Billy had gone on to have an amazing career at Clemson, you start to forget about how he got the job in the first place. BUT HE WAS FIRED AFTER TWO YEARS.

As for his tenure at Alabama, yes, he got LUCKY to be taken on by Saban. Why? Because he did not really have the resume to merit the job he was given. Mario was a FORMER HEAD COACH, he took his team to bowls. Billy hung out in South Carolina schools for 8 years, finally getting a lucky break at Clemson and turning it into a firing 2 years later. To act as if that merited a job at Alabama ignores the obvious, that Dabo (out of guilt?) arranged a cushy landing spot for his 5-year buddy. Again, if you think I'm wrong, tell me what Billy did to DESERVE a spot in Saban's Rehab Clinic.

Tell me how I've "discredited the work that Billy has done". What amazing work has he done? He has a habit of claiming credit for recruits he didn't recruit. He's not known as a good game day coach. He doesn't have some revolutionary playbook a la Dennis Erickson. I seem to keep hearing that Billy is hella organized and super thorough, which are great skills for a file clerk. I have said nothing about his time at Louisiana, he did a bang-up job for 4 years at a G5 school.

So tell me where I said anything "untrue" about Billy Napier. I'd love to hear this.

All you have done is to state the obvious about how the coaching fraternity contines to recycle itself into new jobs after multiple prior failures. And? That justifies a huge contract at a top SEC school, a $40 million buyout, and unprecedented salary structure for assistants and staff?

Billy Napier may yet succeed at Florida, but there is nothing wrong with pointing out his thin resume, lack of tangible accomplishments to which HE should be credited, and the false myth of him being a great recruiter.
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Let’s not forget, as wr coach at bama he absolutely benefitted from Mario’s work as a recruiter. He had five star wr talent that he had nothing to do with acquiring. He had receivers that had natural talent who didn’t truly need developing. Then he got to claim that he developed these incredibly talented wr’s and parlay that into a better job. All thanks to mario
 
Number1CanesFan said:
You need all of that. What most head coaches bring is just being an elevated OC or DC that is now running their own program. Being a true CEO is on a whole other level.

Mario got his Master's Degree in Executive Football from Saban.
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But you can hire a great OC or DC, but if you aren't the CEO that gets people to follow you it'll never work.
 
kryptonite said:
But you can hire a great OC or DC, but if you aren't the CEO that gets people to follow you it'll never work.
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Don’t forget, successful coordinators don’t usually stay coordinators for a long time. They get promotions. Rhett Lashlee is the reason Many Diaz didn’t go winless the last two seasons. Imagine if we had kept Manny and Rhett was gone to SMU? Nobody worth while is coming to work for a lame duck head coach. Shudder….we’d be in an FSU type of situation.
 
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