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flagator86 said:
Our class was ranked 17th last cycle in what, 2 months so passing Mullen’s best class (rankings wise) isn’t something insurmountable.

And lets be real, we allll knew, and former coaches/staff has said that Mullen use to take anyone late to enhance recruiting rankings and its perception Lol smh.

It’s too early for me to **** on the recruiting of Colbert at the WR position when a game hasn’t been played yet buuuuuut it’s something to keep an eye on. Ideally, if it were up to me, our WR class would be:

Mizell
Tyler Williams
Eugene Wilson
Creed Whittemore would be a plan B guy if we couldn’t get Wilson or could get Creed late.

Patterson and jit would just offered, along with Creed would have to wait to get a commitable offer if it were up to me. Just my opinion *shrugs*
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Mullen’s best class was 7th I believe? Last year’s 17th ranked class would have been higher if Billy hadn’t chased off some of Mullen’s best guys.
 
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Tried to explain the deal with the older Bull Gaytors. The SEC plantation mentality is a real thing, no matter how many 25 year olds want to post about how racism is over and they "don't see color".

Lots of other people DO, though. Particularly SEC alums. A lot of SEC universities fought against black admissions until the 1960s, and even then, the minority numbers were small.

Lots of older SEC alums are NOT happy about the power dynamic being reset.
 
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wspcane said:
He's gotta have some buyer's remorse at this point.
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Yeahhhhh. Look, we can all understand and appreciate Corey Raymond's loyalty and long tenure at LSU, but the job at UiF is just a job. What is it going to take for everyone to see it, along with Raymond too? Maybe a Gaytor recruiting class with four 5-star DBs and everyone else at a 3-star rating?
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Yeahhhhh. Look, we can all understand and appreciate Corey Raymond's loyalty and long tenure at LSU, but the job at UiF is just a job. What is it going to take for everyone to see it, along with Raymond too? Maybe a Gaytor recruiting class with four 5-star DBs and everyone else at a 3-star rating?
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I don't even think it would get to that point. He will see it in practices, off-field stuff, film breakdown, etc. I think Napier is a better football coach than Manny, but using Manny as the example, the guys like Lashlee or T-Rob could look around and know that was not going to work.

But to your point and like Mario said day 1 - it's all about talent acquisition. You can get a few studs here and there, but to win consistently and compete you need to be doing that at all positions and year after year. They can get Leblanc, Cormani, Harris, and a couple of others. If the other 20 guys are like these WRs it is not going to work and they will be looking for a new coach (again) in three years.
 
wspcane said:
I don't even think it would get to that point. He will see it in practices, off-field stuff, film breakdown, etc. I think Napier is a better football coach than Manny, but using Manny as the example, the guys like Lashlee or T-Rob could look around and know that was not going to work.

But to your point and like Mario said day 1 - it's all about talent acquisition. You can get a few studs here and there, but to win consistently and compete you need to be doing that at all positions and year after year. They can get Leblanc, Cormani, Harris, and a couple of others. If the other 20 guys are like these WRs it is not going to work and they will be looking for a new coach (again) in three years.
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Nailed it. I still think it would be funny if all the Gaytor blue-chippers were DBs, while the Gaytor board tries to spin the rest of the class as "relationship-building" and "our huge recruiting department is finding all the diamonds in the rough that everyone else missed".
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Tried to explain the deal with the older Bull Gaytors. The SEC plantation mentality is a real thing, no matter how many 25 year olds want to post about how racism is over and they "don't see color".

Lots of other people DO, though. Particularly SEC alums. A lot of SEC universities fought against black admissions until the 1960s, and even then, the minority numbers were small.

Lots of older SEC alums are NOT happy about the power dynamic being reset.
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I have zero doubt about the plantation mentality. But I do question whether or not they would be against doing NIL deals with black athletes when they were doing them under the table for years. This way it is at least a write off.

This goes for all SEC. Not just the turds
 
DTP said:
Mullen’s best class was 7th I believe? Last year’s 17th ranked class would have been higher if Billy hadn’t chased off some of Mullen’s best guys.
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Yea it was the 2019 class that finished 8th but remember:

Jalen Jones
Chris Steele
Wadrick Wilson
Dayvie Hammond

All never made it to game 1 of their true freshmen years at UF. I think that’s the year we took Arjei Henderson too at WR when EVERYONE KNEW he didn’t have the grades lol
 
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JG14 said:
I have zero doubt about the plantation mentality. But I do question whether or not they would be against doing NIL deals with black athletes when they were doing them under the table for years. This way it is at least a write off.

This goes for all SEC. Not just the turds
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I'll just say this. There was a certain perverse aspect of paying players under the table, at least in the SEC world, and I won't go into the hundreds-of-years-old psychology of it. But there was also a limit to it. Think of it like blackmail, but in reverse. "I can pay this player $X, and he can't really complain about wanting more, because if it comes out that he took money up front, he'll lose his eligibility".

Now that these deals are more open, they are also starting to approach a more realistic market value. In the past, if a player was paid $100K and that money went to help his family economically, it wasn't based on anything like "oh, he'll be an official spokesman for my company, and that is worth a certain amount of money on the open market". It was just based on whatever minimal amount it would take the kid to sign the Faustian bargain.

Now that players are able to use multiple schools as leverage...and some of these fancy car dealers are hesitant to make a black athlete the "face" of their car dealership...then the most gunshy of these older SEC crackers are going to hesitate a few minutes. It's one thing to make an illicit $100K payment to a recruit when everyone has to keep the dirty little secret...it's another thing to openly put your arm around a black athlete and then put his face on the billboards for your company...
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I'll just say this. There was a certain perverse aspect of paying players under the table, at least in the SEC world, and I won't go into the hundreds-of-years-old psychology of it. But there was also a limit to it. Think of it like blackmail, but in reverse. "I can pay this player $X, and he can't really complain about wanting more, because if it comes out that he took money up front, he'll lose his eligibility".

Now that these deals are more open, they are also starting to approach a more realistic market value. In the past, if a player was paid $100K and that money went to help his family economically, it wasn't based on anything like "oh, he'll be an official spokesman for my company, and that is worth a certain amount of money on the open market". It was just based on whatever minimal amount it would take the kid to sign the Faustian bargain.

Now that players are able to use multiple schools as leverage...and some of these fancy car dealers are hesitant to make a black athlete the "face" of their car dealership...then the most gunshy of these older SEC crackers are going to hesitate a few minutes. It's one thing to make an illicit $100K payment to a recruit when everyone has to keep the dirty little secret...it's another thing to openly put your arm around a black athlete and then put his face on the billboards for your company...
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This is the biggest reason I love NIL. Pay young athletes their due. I remember chise used to call them KKK Skools. That’s exactly what they are. I’m so happy Miami is capitalizing on this new wave, we need more infrastructure but we’re working on it!
 
flagator86 said:
Yea it was the 2019 class that finished 8th but remember:

Jalen Jones
Chris Steele
Wadrick Wilson
Dayvie Hammond

All never made it to game 1 of their true freshmen years at UF. I think that’s the year we took Arjei Henderson too at WR when EVERYONE KNEW he didn’t have the grades lol
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What kind of NIL deal would it take to make a UM fan? Enter the fan transfer portal and lets talk coin.
 
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oso4lyf said:
What kind of NIL deal would it take to make a UM fan? Enter the fan transfer portal and lets talk coin.
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TheOriginalCane said:
I'll just say this. There was a certain perverse aspect of paying players under the table, at least in the SEC world, and I won't go into the hundreds-of-years-old psychology of it. But there was also a limit to it. Think of it like blackmail, but in reverse. "I can pay this player $X, and he can't really complain about wanting more, because if it comes out that he took money up front, he'll lose his eligibility".

Now that these deals are more open, they are also starting to approach a more realistic market value. In the past, if a player was paid $100K and that money went to help his family economically, it wasn't based on anything like "oh, he'll be an official spokesman for my company, and that is worth a certain amount of money on the open market". It was just based on whatever minimal amount it would take the kid to sign the Faustian bargain.

Now that players are able to use multiple schools as leverage...and some of these fancy car dealers are hesitant to make a black athlete the "face" of their car dealership...then the most gunshy of these older SEC crackers are going to hesitate a few minutes. It's one thing to make an illicit $100K payment to a recruit when everyone has to keep the dirty little secret...it's another thing to openly put your arm around a black athlete and then put his face on the billboards for your company...
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Gotcha. I have zero doubt there are still hillbillies who have this mindset, and are honestly torn between helping the program they love and doing what you described
 
TheOriginalCane said:
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Nailed it. I still think it would be funny if all the Gaytor blue-chippers were DBs, while the Gaytor board tries to spin the rest of the class as "relationship-building" and "our huge recruiting department is finding all the diamonds in the rough that everyone else missed".
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This already kind of happened to FSU under Taggart. They signed like 8 blue chip DBs one year and zero wide receivers or running backs.
 
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RVACane said:
@Dwinstitles

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Sh*t, you don't need @Dwinstitles, I can handle this one.

Garbage in garbage out. You can't play great football if you're relying on kids that no other big program wants. Their team is @ss and will remain @ss as long as they keep taking kids like this.

I'm looking forward to all the friction between the "he just needs another 2 years" crowd and the rational few. If this were any other program I'd almost feel bad for them.
 
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