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rsa coral gables said:
the problem is broken families and bad culture. children who grow up in stable, mom/dad households for the most part make good decisions and are successful people (doesn't equate to rich since being rich doesn't mean successful). and the opposite is true.
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nah its feminism that women arent 1950s homemakers
 
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Dees Brown said:
On AVERAGE, if you have a strong father in the house, the likelihood of the kid falling to the "streets" is reduce drastically.

I think you are being a bit disingenuous. 80s and 90s, what group of poeple are we talking about? It's little nuance. For Black Americans, the expansion of welfare, and the hyper incarceration black men was the start of the destruction of black families.

White American families held on for little longer, but you are starting to see the destruction of white Americans families too. Asian and Latin families, last I read, have not decline that that much.

Look I am not saying it's the ultimate answer. I just saying having a strong loving father in the house is net positive for the child.
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A bad father is not a good man, but I digress.

The data doesn’t support your belief. The point about the 80s and 90s was to show violence was higher when there were more two parent homes and more “old school” parenting. I have included a chart that shows the homicide rates for blacks and whites as both victims and offenders. The data is 1980-2017. As you can see, the homicide rate has fallen dramatically since then.

Logical analysis of the data picks apart nearly every point you made in your reply. If single mother homes were such a primary factor in the violence in the black community, how come it doesn’t have the same effect in other communities? A black child is only twice as likely to be In a single parent home but is seven times more likely to be a homicide victim. The number of white children in single mother homes has doubled since 1968. Why did the homicide rate decline if fatherlessness is the primary cause of violence?

If it’s the breakdown of the family and welfare, the majority of welfare recipients have overwhelmingly been white people. Why hasn’t that community been plagued by any where near the same level of violence?

The answer is that fatherlessness Is more a correlative factor than a causative one. It is a symptom of a much bigger problem, just as the violence is.

A single mother with a $40,000 income has better outcomes than a two parent home with $20,000 income. Negative outcomes are much more closely related to income and education level than having a man in the home.

The point is the problem of violence is complex and multifaceted. The simpleminded ideas about family structure were created by people trying to deflect from the atrocities committed against the community. By pretending that the symptoms are the disease, those who want to maintain the status quo of blacks dying violently at unnatural rates are able to fool people incapable of seeing the big picture into engaging in ineffective rhetoric that ensures nothing really changes.

The sad thing is, this nation already solved this problem once. We know EXACTLY how to fix it, but this country has responded completely differently to black gangsters shooting up the streets than it did to “white” (well they weren’t considered white when they first got here, but that’s a story for another day) gangsters indulging in the same behavior.

How’s that for disingenuous?

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TruCane81 said:
A bad father is not a good man, but I digress.

The data doesn’t support your belief. The point about the 80s and 90s was to show violence was higher when there were more two parent homes and more “old school” parenting. I have included a chart that shows the homicide rates for blacks and whites as both victims and offenders. The data is 1980-2017. As you can see, the homicide rate has fallen dramatically since then.

Logical analysis of the data picks apart nearly every point you made in your reply. If single mother homes were such a primary factor in the violence in the black community, how come it doesn’t have the same effect in other communities? A black child is only twice as likely to be In a single parent home but is seven times more likely to be a homicide victim. The number of white children in single mother homes has doubled since 1968. Why did the homicide rate decline if fatherlessness is the primary cause of violence?

If it’s the breakdown of the family and welfare, the majority of welfare recipients have overwhelmingly been white people. Why hasn’t that community been plagued by any where near the same level of violence?

The answer is that fatherlessness Is more a correlative factor than a causative one. It is a symptom of a much bigger problem, just as the violence is.

A single mother with a $40,000 income has better outcomes than a two parent home with $20,000 income. Negative outcomes are much more closely related to income and education level than having a man in the home.

The point is the problem of violence is complex and multifaceted. The simpleminded ideas about family structure were created by people trying to deflect from the atrocities committed against the community. By pretending that the symptoms are the disease, those who want to maintain the status quo of blacks dying violently at unnatural rates are able to fool people incapable of seeing the big picture into engaging in ineffective rhetoric that ensures nothing really changes.

The sad thing is, this nation already solved this problem once. We know EXACTLY how to fix it, but this country has responded completely differently to black gangsters shooting up the streets than it did to “white” (well they weren’t considered white when they first got here, but that’s a story for another day) gangsters indulging in the same behavior.

How’s that for disingenuous?

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Logical analysis of the data picks apart nearly every point you made in your reply. If single mother homes were such a primary factor in the violence in the black community, how come it doesn’t have the same effect in other communities? A black child is only twice as likely to be In a single parent home but is seven times more likely to be a homicide victim. Correct! By who? Black people. You want to guess who kills the most white people? Take a guess...White people. shocking right? People enacted violence against those in proximity.
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The number of white children in single-mother homes has doubled since 1968. Why did the homicide. rate decline if fatherlessness is the primary cause of violence? homicide: by definition is taking another human life, you know what falls under that umbrella? Murder, Manslaughter
(car accidents that leave to death), and justifiable homicide aka self-defense. We live in a more advance society death should go down. Getting rid of lead paint and making seatbelts mandatory probably cut that number in half.

Side note: "Homicide" were up 30% from 2019-2020, the highest spike since 1905, just saying
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My argument wasn't violence, father are first line of defense to keep their kid from the streets.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6889959/


A single mother with a $40,000 income has better outcomes than a two parent home with $20,000 income. Negative outcomes are much more closely related to income and education level than having a man in the home.
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https://singlemotherguide.com/single-mother-statistics
 
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