for the recruiting gurus...

[canepb]

when UM took Dave Howell as their first verbal commitment coming of the national title of 2001, should we have all known right then and there that Coker and Co. had no clue?

I remember talking to Mike Bakas about this years ago, and he flat out told me early on this guy couldn't play and he was puzzled why they would take this guy so early in the process

But was that the harbinger we should point to?

Just amazing what was squandered in that era based on how Miami was perceived then

Jesus....I went to see Royal Palm at Dwyer, so I could see Howell play! I don't think he had any tackles that night!

 

[CANE4LIFE]

This problem was staff wide under Coker was mostly clueless and then staff was worse. By then Kehoe and Solly were mailing it in recruiting wise. Hargreaves was also barely recruiting. These guys all fell into the NFL U fallacy and thought u could just recruit kids with stars next to their names and call it a day. Shannon was just as clueless Coker which is one reason I was so disgusted when he was hired as HC. If Coker was the Skipper od the SS Minnow, then Shannon was Gilligan. Recall that Shannons first two personal recruits at UM were Kyle Morgan and Jean Leone. He later followed those gems with guys like Demitri Stewart, Romeo Davis, Glenn Cook. Then later as HC when he had "bust a pallooza" with guys like Wiggins, Zach Kane, Brandon Marti and a slew of other losers who never saw the field here and left massive holes all over the roster.

 

[weownfsu]

Coker was terrible at getting kids with the right attitude.

Remember Shannon going on and on and bragging about how he would always go see a kid play in person, and then offering somebody based on their youtube highlights? It was either Cleveland or Cain.

 

[Cans4life]

I knew Glenn Cook was going to be terrible when he came back to Chaminade his junior year and was smaller than like 5 high school linebackers.

 

[Plzwork4]

Coker was terrible at getting kids with the right attitude.

Remember Shannon going on and on and bragging about how he would always go see a kid play in person, and then offering somebody based on their youtube highlights? It was either Cleveland or Cain.

Cleveland...yes I remember that. His tape was nice though to be honest, but as a professional you need to do your evals in person =)

 

[Canething]

when UM took Dave Howell as their first verbal commitment coming of the national title of 2001, should we have all known right then and there that Coker and Co. had no clue?

I remember talking to Mike Bakas about this years ago, and he flat out told me early on this guy couldn't play and he was puzzled why they would take this guy so early in the process

But was that the harbinger we should point to?

Just amazing what was squandered in that era based on how Miami was perceived then

Yes. We should have known four things at that point. One -- no eye for talent. Two -- no strategy around recruiting (why take a commitment that early from that kid even if you thought he might turn into something, which if you did, see point one). Three, no ability to manage staff around recruiting or evaluations. And four -- perhaps worst -- an affinity for soft, gentle kids. Which begat the country club coker.

I think Howell only stuck around for a year or two( at most). thing was, his offer list wasnt all that extraordinary IIRC.

Then a year after that I remember Glen Cook and how many folks were puzzled by that one over the summer

At that point, it was clear what was plaguing UM's recruiting- uhhh, facilities.....

Howell was awful. I think he was with us more than a year or two though. Prolly 3 IIRC.

With Cook, the issue was two-fold. One was offering him so early, the other was prioritizing him over his teammate Beason, who got an offer considerably later.

Coker was clueless. Probably we should have known the first time he was interviewed. We're talking Chauncey the gardener, Forrest Gump here.

Im split on who was a worse recruiter at UM, LLLLLLLarry Coker or ERRickson? I mean, both took over Porsche's and crashed them into telephone poles like an Asian driver after two Miller Lite's

And it's funny, both had highly rated classes with big names that got everyone excited. But the common denominator is laziness(I've specifically heard the stories of how ERRickson flat out mailed it in in this regard)....

For me it's easy, and its not even close. Coker takes the cake

 

[2Focusd804]

Coker and Shannon had some absolute lulwut moments in recruiting. The amount of "are you ******* kidding me?" kids that they took is unprecedented in recruiting. It's not a good sign when the minute you land a kid's commit 99% of the fan base and recruiting analysts instantly hate it.

/the 1% is reserved for the blind homers who used to try and rationalize why Daniel Stegall and Daneil Adderly were quality gets

Who???

 

[Ethnicsands]

I don't think Coker's problem was recruiting as much as it was developing that talent.

Completely disagree. And have disagreed since 2003. It was both.

 

[The Franchise]

The last 2 idiot HCs here are the reason Al is up to his neck in *****. I always LOL at the vultures and Shannon buttsniffers who rip on Al for not winning more. They're either too dumb to realize just how awful EVERYTHING was about this program from roster to culture to the S&C program, or they're just agenda-driven buttholes.

Al is doing a monster job repairing all those busted areas of our program brick by brick and building us a solid foundation where we can be consistently excellent. This sort of task is not done quickly.

 

[BigDikCane]

Coker's problem started when he left the state of Miami and started recruiting players from all over. shannon had a good recruiting staff with Barrow and Hurt.. Shannon couldn't develop or motivate and that was his downfall.. Oh yeah, J12....

 

[weownfsu]

Coker's problem started when he left the state of Miami and started recruiting players from all over. shannon had a good recruiting staff with Barrow and Hurt.. Shannon couldn't develop or motivate and that was his downfall.. Oh yeah, J12....

Look at his 2009 and 2010 classes. ******* awful. He sucked at everything.

 

[The Franchise]

Coker's problem started when he left the state of Miami and started recruiting players from all over. shannon had a good recruiting staff with Barrow and Hurt.. Shannon couldn't develop or motivate and that was his downfall.. Oh yeah, J12....

Look at his 2009 and 2010 classes. ****ing awful. He sucked at everything.

Correct. He sucked in a global fashion.

 

[japancane]

Randy refused to kiss *** and recruited scared. If a guy was interested in someone else, we just gave up. He ALWAYS looked for the easy commit. Once someone else contacted someone we were interested in, it was over for us

 

[AUcane]

I'll never forget the Coker fluffers that defended the staff's mediocre recruiting. The defense was that miami was so good on the field that it was scaring away recruits - they didn't want to compete against great talent. Lol

Looking back, I think - "can you believe that bull mierda they were saying!?" Never stopped USC/bama/etc from having consistently great recruiting classes.

 

[Soul Cane]

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Coker and Shannon had some absolute lulwut moments in recruiting. The amount of "are you ****ing kidding me?" kids that they took is unprecedented in recruiting. It's not a good sign when the minute you land a kid's commit 99% of the fan base and recruiting analysts instantly hate it.

/the 1% is reserved for the blind homers who used to try and rationalize why Daniel Stegall and Daneil Adderly were quality gets

Who was that horrendous lb that got an early offer - Demetrius Stewart? I remember laus on shadow's board being up in arms about that offer. But that may have been a randy special.

Yeah. People were saying it was a good offer because he was only 16 and had great size or something. Laus maintained that he was an awful football player.

I remember Mike being baffled that we would take Demetri Stewart. I remember something like seeing him 2 or 3 times and each game, he never had more than 2 or 3 tackles

I saw Rhyan Anderson play in HS. And for an alleged 5 star recruit, Anderson didn't do jack ***** against not so great competition.

I'm sure Coker never saw Anderson play and recruited him solely because of internet ranking - not because of personal evaluation.

 

[The Franchise]

Randy refused to kiss *** and recruited scared. If a guy was interested in someone else, we just gave up. He ALWAYS looked for the easy commit. Once someone else contacted someone we were interested in, it was over for us

I heard Shannvo worked a very very short week. He was reportedly rarely seen around the football offices. 20 hour/week dude. That might explain the disgusting neglect that he left behind when we only had 4 commits in December when Al took over.