for the recruiting gurus...

[k9cane]

when UM took Dave Howell as their first verbal commitment coming of the national title of 2001, should we have all known right then and there that Coker and Co. had no clue?

I remember talking to Mike Bakas about this years ago, and he flat out told me early on this guy couldn't play and he was puzzled why they would take this guy so early in the process

But was that the harbinger we should point to?

Just amazing what was squandered in that era based on how Miami was perceived then

 

[pcitycane]

Coker just wanted names in the commitment box. He thought he could go after nothing but 5 star rated players, nab a couple, and fill the other spots with jags and still be successfull.

 

[bobbydigius]

:rollcanes:
Forgot about that one, him and Buxton are the GOATs when it comes to goin full ****** in the halls of Miami recruiting.

 

[Ethnicsands]

when UM took Dave Howell as their first verbal commitment coming of the national title of 2001, should we have all known right then and there that Coker and Co. had no clue?

I remember talking to Mike Bakas about this years ago, and he flat out told me early on this guy couldn't play and he was puzzled why they would take this guy so early in the process

But was that the harbinger we should point to?

Just amazing what was squandered in that era based on how Miami was perceived then

Yes. We should have known four things at that point. One -- no eye for talent. Two -- no strategy around recruiting (why take a commitment that early from that kid even if you thought he might turn into something, which if you did, see point one). Three, no ability to manage staff around recruiting or evaluations. And four -- perhaps worst -- an affinity for soft, gentle kids. Which begat the country club coker.

 

[k9cane]

when UM took Dave Howell as their first verbal commitment coming of the national title of 2001, should we have all known right then and there that Coker and Co. had no clue?

I remember talking to Mike Bakas about this years ago, and he flat out told me early on this guy couldn't play and he was puzzled why they would take this guy so early in the process

But was that the harbinger we should point to?

Just amazing what was squandered in that era based on how Miami was perceived then

Yes. We should have known four things at that point. One -- no eye for talent. Two -- no strategy around recruiting (why take a commitment that early from that kid even if you thought he might turn into something, which if you did, see point one). Three, no ability to manage staff around recruiting or evaluations. And four -- perhaps worst -- an affinity for soft, gentle kids. Which begat the country club coker.

I think Howell only stuck around for a year or two( at most). thing was, his offer list wasnt all that extraordinary IIRC.

Then a year after that I remember Glen Cook and how many folks were puzzled by that one over the summer

At that point, it was clear what was plaguing UM's recruiting- uhhh, facilities.....

 

[bobbydigius]

when UM took Dave Howell as their first verbal commitment coming of the national title of 2001, should we have all known right then and there that Coker and Co. had no clue?

I remember talking to Mike Bakas about this years ago, and he flat out told me early on this guy couldn't play and he was puzzled why they would take this guy so early in the process

But was that the harbinger we should point to?

Just amazing what was squandered in that era based on how Miami was perceived then

Yes. We should have known four things at that point. One -- no eye for talent. Two -- no strategy around recruiting (why take a commitment that early from that kid even if you thought he might turn into something, which if you did, see point one). Three, no ability to manage staff around recruiting or evaluations. And four -- perhaps worst -- an affinity for soft, gentle kids. Which begat the country club coker.

I think Howell only stuck around for a year or two( at most). thing was, his offer list wasnt all that extraordinary IIRC.

Then a year after that I remember Glen Cook and how many folks were puzzled by that one over the summer

At that point, it was clear what was plaguing UM's recruiting- uhhh, facilities.....

If I remember correctly Cook's offer list looked like a 5 star's compared to Howell.

 

[Ethnicsands]

when UM took Dave Howell as their first verbal commitment coming of the national title of 2001, should we have all known right then and there that Coker and Co. had no clue?

I remember talking to Mike Bakas about this years ago, and he flat out told me early on this guy couldn't play and he was puzzled why they would take this guy so early in the process

But was that the harbinger we should point to?

Just amazing what was squandered in that era based on how Miami was perceived then

Yes. We should have known four things at that point. One -- no eye for talent. Two -- no strategy around recruiting (why take a commitment that early from that kid even if you thought he might turn into something, which if you did, see point one). Three, no ability to manage staff around recruiting or evaluations. And four -- perhaps worst -- an affinity for soft, gentle kids. Which begat the country club coker.

I think Howell only stuck around for a year or two( at most). thing was, his offer list wasnt all that extraordinary IIRC.

Then a year after that I remember Glen Cook and how many folks were puzzled by that one over the summer

At that point, it was clear what was plaguing UM's recruiting- uhhh, facilities.....

Howell was awful. I think he was with us more than a year or two though. Prolly 3 IIRC.

With Cook, the issue was two-fold. One was offering him so early, the other was prioritizing him over his teammate Beason, who got an offer considerably later.

Coker was clueless. Probably we should have known the first time he was interviewed. We're talking Chauncey the gardener, Forrest Gump here.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Also, while I don't recall which assistant turned up Howell, I'd bet it was motivated by laziness. The 'here's a kid, he's nearby, weighs enough, willing to commit ... duh, okay, coach, let's offer' strategy.

There's a reason Saban has his assistants in the office at 5 am.

 

[k9cane]

when UM took Dave Howell as their first verbal commitment coming of the national title of 2001, should we have all known right then and there that Coker and Co. had no clue?

I remember talking to Mike Bakas about this years ago, and he flat out told me early on this guy couldn't play and he was puzzled why they would take this guy so early in the process

But was that the harbinger we should point to?

Just amazing what was squandered in that era based on how Miami was perceived then

Yes. We should have known four things at that point. One -- no eye for talent. Two -- no strategy around recruiting (why take a commitment that early from that kid even if you thought he might turn into something, which if you did, see point one). Three, no ability to manage staff around recruiting or evaluations. And four -- perhaps worst -- an affinity for soft, gentle kids. Which begat the country club coker.

I think Howell only stuck around for a year or two( at most). thing was, his offer list wasnt all that extraordinary IIRC.

Then a year after that I remember Glen Cook and how many folks were puzzled by that one over the summer

At that point, it was clear what was plaguing UM's recruiting- uhhh, facilities.....

Howell was awful. I think he was with us more than a year or two though. Prolly 3 IIRC.

With Cook, the issue was two-fold. One was offering him so early, the other was prioritizing him over his teammate Beason, who got an offer considerably later.

Coker was clueless. Probably we should have known the first time he was interviewed. We're talking Chauncey the gardener, Forrest Gump here.

Im split on who was a worse recruiter at UM, LLLLLLLarry Coker or ERRickson? I mean, both took over Porsche's and crashed them into telephone poles like an Asian driver after two Miller Lite's

And it's funny, both had highly rated classes with big names that got everyone excited. But the common denominator is laziness(I've specifically heard the stories of how ERRickson flat out mailed it in in this regard)....

 

[Dingaan1828]

Im split on who was a worse recruiter at UM, LLLLLLLarry Coker or ERRickson? I mean, both took over Porsche's and crashed them into telephone poles like an Asian driver after two Miller Lite's

And it's funny, both had highly rated classes with big names that got everyone excited. But the common denominator is laziness(I've specifically heard the stories of how ERRickson flat out mailed it in in this regard)....

lol@the DWO reference

K9, you're the only one who can get away with that!

 

[deleted3746]

Didnt Coker use recruiting services for evaluations instead of doing them himself? Thought that was him.

 

[k9cane]

Im split on who was a worse recruiter at UM, LLLLLLLarry Coker or ERRickson? I mean, both took over Porsche's and crashed them into telephone poles like an Asian driver after two Miller Lite's

And it's funny, both had highly rated classes with big names that got everyone excited. But the common denominator is laziness(I've specifically heard the stories of how ERRickson flat out mailed it in in this regard)....

lol@the DWO reference

K9, you're the only one who can get away with that!

Trust me, Im living proof of that example

 

[WhatTheHell]

Coker and Shannon had some absolute lulwut moments in recruiting. The amount of "are you ******* kidding me?" kids that they took is unprecedented in recruiting. It's not a good sign when the minute you land a kid's commit 99% of the fan base and recruiting analysts instantly hate it.

/the 1% is reserved for the blind homers who used to try and rationalize why Daniel Stegall and Daneil Adderly were quality gets

 

[drifters1234]

when UM took Dave Howell as their first verbal commitment coming of the national title of 2001, should we have all known right then and there that Coker and Co. had no clue?

I remember talking to Mike Bakas about this years ago, and he flat out told me early on this guy couldn't play and he was puzzled why they would take this guy so early in the process

But was that the harbinger we should point to?

Just amazing what was squandered in that era based on how Miami was perceived then

****. Great memory. There was collective WTF, when Howell committed.

 

[drifters1234]

Coker and Shannon had some absolute lulwut moments in recruiting. The amount of "are you ****ing kidding me?" kids that they took is unprecedented in recruiting. It's not a good sign when the minute you land a kid's commit 99% of the fan base and recruiting analysts instantly hate it.

/the 1% is reserved for the blind homers who used to try and rationalize why Daniel Stegall and Daneil Adderly were quality gets

Who was that horrendous lb that got an early offer - Demetrius Stewart? I remember laus on shadow's board being up in arms about that offer. But that may have been a randy special.

 

[Ethnicsands]

when UM took Dave Howell as their first verbal commitment coming of the national title of 2001, should we have all known right then and there that Coker and Co. had no clue?

I remember talking to Mike Bakas about this years ago, and he flat out told me early on this guy couldn't play and he was puzzled why they would take this guy so early in the process

But was that the harbinger we should point to?

Just amazing what was squandered in that era based on how Miami was perceived then

Yes. We should have known four things at that point. One -- no eye for talent. Two -- no strategy around recruiting (why take a commitment that early from that kid even if you thought he might turn into something, which if you did, see point one). Three, no ability to manage staff around recruiting or evaluations. And four -- perhaps worst -- an affinity for soft, gentle kids. Which begat the country club coker.

I think Howell only stuck around for a year or two( at most). thing was, his offer list wasnt all that extraordinary IIRC.

Then a year after that I remember Glen Cook and how many folks were puzzled by that one over the summer

At that point, it was clear what was plaguing UM's recruiting- uhhh, facilities.....

Howell was awful. I think he was with us more than a year or two though. Prolly 3 IIRC.

With Cook, the issue was two-fold. One was offering him so early, the other was prioritizing him over his teammate Beason, who got an offer considerably later.

Coker was clueless. Probably we should have known the first time he was interviewed. We're talking Chauncey the gardener, Forrest Gump here.

Im split on who was a worse recruiter at UM, LLLLLLLarry Coker or ERRickson? I mean, both took over Porsche's and crashed them into telephone poles like an Asian driver after two Miller Lite's

And it's funny, both had highly rated classes with big names that got everyone excited. But the common denominator is laziness(I've specifically heard the stories of how ERRickson flat out mailed it in in this regard)....

By his third year, if not his second, Randy was equally lazy, IMO. Or close to it.

And Randy's talent eye was pretty random.

We had two awful coaches in a row on this topic (recruiting).

 

[WhatTheHell]

Coker and Shannon had some absolute lulwut moments in recruiting. The amount of "are you ****ing kidding me?" kids that they took is unprecedented in recruiting. It's not a good sign when the minute you land a kid's commit 99% of the fan base and recruiting analysts instantly hate it.

/the 1% is reserved for the blind homers who used to try and rationalize why Daniel Stegall and Daneil Adderly were quality gets

Who was that horrendous lb that got an early offer - Demetrius Stewart? I remember laus on shadow's board being up in arms about that offer. But that may have been a randy special.

Yeah. People were saying it was a good offer because he was only 16 and had great size or something. Laus maintained that he was an awful football player.

 

[NoahZach]

Also, while I don't recall which assistant turned up Howell, I'd bet it was motivated by laziness.

As it turns out, probably our biggest problem in recruiting back then.

 

[japancane]

Coker and Shannon had some absolute lulwut moments in recruiting. The amount of "are you ****ing kidding me?" kids that they took is unprecedented in recruiting. It's not a good sign when the minute you land a kid's commit 99% of the fan base and recruiting analysts instantly hate it.

/the 1% is reserved for the blind homers who used to try and rationalize why Daniel Stegall and Daneil Adderly were quality gets

Who was that horrendous lb that got an early offer - Demetrius Stewart? I remember laus on shadow's board being up in arms about that offer. But that may have been a randy special.

Yeah. People were saying it was a good offer because he was only 16 and had great size or something. Laus maintained that he was an awful football player.

I remember Mike being baffled that we would take Demetri Stewart. I remember something like seeing him 2 or 3 times and each game, he never had more than 2 or 3 tackles

 

[3FW]

I don't think Coker's problem was recruiting as much as it was developing that talent.