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For anyone clamoring for Butch Davis..

We just lost to FSU and all this ******* ****** cares about is denigrating Butch Davis and propping up Al Golden. Shows where the priorities of some of these fans are.
 
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Where Waldo just got banned so we have to wait seven days before we can start searching those hard cover books again.
 
Never mind the fact that at this point in Shannon's 4th year, we were 7-3. Yep. The year he got fired. And Shannon had beaten FSU already as head coach. Somehow though, Golden shouldn't be fired.
 
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Let's compare Butch's experience as a football coach compared to Al, before being hired as HC of Miami.

Al Golden before Miami:

Head coach of Temple. Never won his conference, best season 9 wins. Never had an offense in the top 50. Best defense was 18.
Pre Temple, he was a DC at a mid level ACC team, and had one good season as a coordinator, ranked in the teens.
Was a LB coach before that at two different mid tier ACC teams.

Butch before Miami:
Won a ring as the defensive coordinator of the NFL's Champion Cowboys. Dallas had the 2nd ranked defense in the league that year. Coordinated from 93-94.
Was an assistant in the NFL, where he won his first ring, with the Cowboys.
Was an assistant at a dynasty national championship winning program, won a ring there too.
Was an assistant at a mid level Big 8 team, where he helped invent a defense that ended up transforming football.

Anyone who EVER attempts to compare Butch to Al should be shot on site.
 
Let Butch coach this current team and the results would be no better. He's an average coach just like Golden.

Butch's advantage is in his ability to identify, recruit, and close talented players.

If Butch was here the last 4 years the team wouldn't be coached any better - but he could have closed Cooper over Waters, Collins over Edwards, Cook over Yearby, Lane over Brady, etc. and we'd be a better team.

Coaches are important. Players will always be more important
 
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bshaw28 said:
Let Butch coach this current team and the results would be no better. He's an average coach just like Golden.

Butch's advantage is in his ability to identify, recruit, and close talented players.

If Butch was here the last 4 years the team wouldn't be coached any better - but he could have closed Cooper over Waters, Collins over Edwards, Cook over Yearby, Lane over Brady, etc. and we'd be a better team.

Coaches are important. Players will always be more important
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Butch knows when to fire his assistants. That puts him about 3 decades ahead of Gorlden.

Carry on sailor.
 
bshaw28 said:
Let Butch coach this current team and the results would be no better. He's an average coach just like Golden.

Butch's advantage is in his ability to identify, recruit, and close talented players.

If Butch was here the last 4 years the team wouldn't be coached any better - but he could have closed Cooper over Waters, Collins over Edwards, Cook over Yearby, Lane over Brady, etc. and we'd be a better team.

Coaches are important. Players will always be more important
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Aside from the pedigree, 2 SUPERBOWL TITLES, and recruiting prowess, didn't Butch put together an 11-1 season as a head coach? Golden's best single season in 10 years of coaching is what, 9-4?
 
This guy. Show me a time other then putting together the greatest college football team of all time, that Butch was successful?

Do you hear yourself?
 
best thing you can say about Butch is that even Larry Coker could win a title (actually 2 titles if not for the worst call of all time) with the players he identified, recruited and developed
 
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Besides all the years they had GOOD/GREAT years, if you can show me a year that Urban Meyer and Nick Saban had GOOD/GREAT years, I will PayPal you 10000K.
 
People who love Butch are the same people who hate the new uniforms because they love the ones from 2000-2003.

Whatever wins, they like it...whatever loses, they hate it.

No room in their brains for critical thinking and nuance.

If you think Butch is the right coach for this team and he won't leave you scratching your head as Golden does, you're a baffoon and a victim of revisionist history. Butch was as ****** a coach on the sidelines as Golden was.

He lost to FSU 5 times with the likes of Santana Moss, Reggie Wayne, Ed Reed and a whole host of other NFL stars.

Sorry, Butch underachieved as much as Golden has, with better players.

God evaluator...****** coach andhe always has been.
 
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Butch will never coach major D1 football again. I know give me the story of he had no idea anything was going on. Gtfo with that. He will never coach here again. We are on probation. So we would we hire a guy who left his last program on probation? Even if "he didn't know" what was going on.
 
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If you believe that Al Golden is a better coach than Butch Davis the I'll pay 1K to have you *** committed.
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Nobody is saying Golden > Butch

It's very obvious that Butch > Golden, but is that really something to be championed?

You're not looking for an upgrade with the next coaching hire, you're looking for somebody who won't miss a beat and takes us to being a monster.

We need to hire a Jimmy J right now.
 
jerzeycane said:
People who love Butch are the same people who hate the new uniforms because they love the ones from 2000-2003.

Whatever wins, they like it...whatever loses, they hate it.

No room in their brains for critical thinking and nuance.

If you think Butch is the right coach for this team and he won't leave you scratching your head as Golden does, you're a baffoon and a victim of revisionist history. Butch was as ****ty a coach on the sidelines as Golden was.

He lost to FSU 5 times with the likes of Santana Moss, Reggie Wayne, Ed Reed and a whole host of other NFL stars.

Sorry, Butch underachieved as much as Golden has, with better players.

God evaluator...****ty coach andhe always has been.
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"Revisionist History" is exactly right.

Butch also went 1-5 vs. VT. He lost by 53 to Syracuse. The 1999 team started 5-4.

Butch is a better coach and recruiter than Golden, but Butch was also an Underachiever.

His legacy here was saved by a bit of dumb luck when VT knocked out Kenny Kelly and we had to bring in some guy named Ken Dorsey.
 
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