First Scrimmage Thread - BOOM

[DMoney]

Does anyone have an actual statistical comparison of how the freshmans Cozart performed versus Heaps. The "he beat out Heaps" stuff is pretty meaningless given the fact Weis is in full blown panic mode looking for anything or anyone to save his job.

Did Kansas look appreciably better with Cozart than it did with Heaps, or were they the same **** pile?

Kaaya clearly has the higher ceiling, but I've seen too many guys, who turned out to be really good QBs down the road, look really shaky as true freshmans. Braxton Miller looked like a deer in the headlights against our terrible defense. Even the great Peyton Manning was pedestrian at best as a true freshmans and struggled badly against top teams.

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[TD="align: right"]ATT[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]YDS[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]CMP%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]YDS/A[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]TD[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]INT[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]RAT[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: oddrow"]
[TD]Jake Heaps[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]128[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]261[/TD]
[TD="class: sortcell, align: right"]1414[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]49.0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.42[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]97.0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: evenrow"]
[TD]Montell Cozart[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]23[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]63[/TD]
[TD="class: sortcell, align: right"]227[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]36.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.60[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]60.4[/TD]
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Thank you. So, Cozart did far worse even though he purportedly "beat him out".

Heaps got beat out because another quarterback took his job and kept it. That's what "beat out" means.

Cozart didn't win the job because of his passing. He won the job because Heaps couldn't pass either, and at least Cozart could run.

Heaps is serving his purpose as an insurance policy. We needed him because Olsen is a disaster. But it's funny how people say that true freshmen traditionally struggle and ignore that Jake Heaps traditionally struggles.

 

[BWCD]

Heaps got beat out because another quarterback took his job and kept it. That's what "beat out" means.

Cozart didn't win the job because of his passing. He won the job because Heaps couldn't pass either, and at least Cozart could run.

Heaps is serving his purpose as an insurance policy. We needed him because Olsen is a disaster. But it's funny how people say that true freshmen traditionally struggle and ignore that Jake Heaps traditionally struggles.

But it's OK to ignore why Heaps struggled, and the circumstances surrounding those stops (sh1tty personnel, not a fit for the Read Option, etc), in order to take a dump on Heaps in the name of crowning Kaaya.

Got it.

 

[Miami82]

Now, wait a sec. Your Heaps history is wrong...well, incomplete. I'm not here to defend Heaps, just saying it was a combination of his poor performance AND a shift by Jabba the Weis to a Spread Read Option offense that the dual-threat Freshman who replaced him was tailor-made for. That's an important point. Heaps is a pro-style QB with limited mobility, and he struggled mightily in a Spread Read Option offense, so--he left Kansass to go to an offense more suited to his style of play (and to hopefully play better in). The system and the lack of playmakers around him at Kansass likely had something to do with his terrible statistics, so the two points yourself and fincane are making kind of go hand-in-hand.

Let's tell the whole story, not just the piece that supports your touting of HBK aka Kaaya the Messiah aka Felicia's Boy. For the record--I want Kaaya to start. If Kaaya's that good, no need in dogging Heaps to make him look better.

You don't change your offense if you have a viable QB to run it. That says all I need to know about Heaps.

Happens all the time. Some QBs can make the transition. Others can't.

LMAO, no it doesn't. You don't move away from an offense if you have a QB with the skills to run it, a SR QB at that. You are just making **** up now to support your agenda. Heaps was never going to be the starter in the O they switched to.

Sometimes you move away from an offense when the HC is desperate and willing to scrap everything he's done as a coach for 25 years in order to save his job. Weis couldn't win or field a decent offense with Chryst, Heaps, or anyone else at Kansas.

Weis isn't stupid. This isn't a roll the dice gamble. He is very calculating. I trust his evaluation over his 2 QB's and the direction he chose as an obvious indictment on Heaps ability.

 

[caneaddict]

Does anyone have an actual statistical comparison of how the freshmans Cozart performed versus Heaps. The "he beat out Heaps" stuff is pretty meaningless given the fact Weis is in full blown panic mode looking for anything or anyone to save his job.

Did Kansas look appreciably better with Cozart than it did with Heaps, or were they the same **** pile?

Kaaya clearly has the higher ceiling, but I've seen too many guys, who turned out to be really good QBs down the road, look really shaky as true freshmans. Braxton Miller looked like a deer in the headlights against our terrible defense. Even the great Peyton Manning was pedestrian at best as a true freshmans and struggled badly against top teams.

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[TD="align: right"]CMP%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]YDS/A[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]TD[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]INT[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]RAT[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: oddrow"]
[TD]Jake Heaps[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]128[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]261[/TD]
[TD="class: sortcell, align: right"]1414[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]49.0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.42[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]97.0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: evenrow"]
[TD]Montell Cozart[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]23[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]63[/TD]
[TD="class: sortcell, align: right"]227[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]36.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.60[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]60.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Thank you. So, Cozart did far worse even though he purportedly "beat him out".

Heaps got beat out because another quarterback took his job and kept it. That's what "beat out" means.

Cozart didn't win the job because of his passing. He won the job because Heaps couldn't pass either, and at least Cozart could run.

Heaps is serving his purpose as an insurance policy. We needed him because Olsen is a disaster. But it's funny how people say that true freshmen traditionally struggle and ignore that Jake Heaps traditionally struggles.

The ultimate irony is that heaps played well as a true freshman lol

 

[ssj4cane]

You don't change your offense if you have a viable QB to run it. That says all I need to know about Heaps.

Happens all the time. Some QBs can make the transition. Others can't.

LMAO, no it doesn't. You don't move away from an offense if you have a QB with the skills to run it, a SR QB at that. You are just making **** up now to support your agenda. Heaps was never going to be the starter in the O they switched to.

Sometimes you move away from an offense when the HC is desperate and willing to scrap everything he's done as a coach for 25 years in order to save his job. Weis couldn't win or field a decent offense with Chryst, Heaps, or anyone else at Kansas.

Weis isn't stupid. This isn't a roll the dice gamble. He is very calculating. I trust his evaluation over his 2 QB's and the direction he chose as an obvious indictment on Heaps ability.

Please Weis hand picked Cryst who he knew very well and Heaps both to come in there and run his pro-style system. Cryst was worse than Heaps the year before. Fat slob changed his offense to try to buy himself another year. He changed to a spread system because he knows he failed to recruit WRs and O-lineman to play in his system. LOL at trusting Weis and his evals.

 

[fincane]

Does anyone have an actual statistical comparison of how the freshmans Cozart performed versus Heaps. The "he beat out Heaps" stuff is pretty meaningless given the fact Weis is in full blown panic mode looking for anything or anyone to save his job.

Did Kansas look appreciably better with Cozart than it did with Heaps, or were they the same **** pile?

Kaaya clearly has the higher ceiling, but I've seen too many guys, who turned out to be really good QBs down the road, look really shaky as true freshmans. Braxton Miller looked like a deer in the headlights against our terrible defense. Even the great Peyton Manning was pedestrian at best as a true freshmans and struggled badly against top teams.

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[TD="align: right"]YDS/A[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]TD[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]INT[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]RAT[/TD]
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[TD]Jake Heaps[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]261[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
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[TD]Montell Cozart[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]63[/TD]
[TD="class: sortcell, align: right"]227[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]36.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.60[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
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Thank you. So, Cozart did far worse even though he purportedly "beat him out".

Heaps got beat out because another quarterback took his job and kept it. That's what "beat out" means.

Cozart didn't win the job because of his passing. He won the job because Heaps couldn't pass either, and at least Cozart could run.

Heaps is serving his purpose as an insurance policy. We needed him because Olsen is a disaster. But it's funny how people say that true freshmen traditionally struggle and ignore that Jake Heaps traditionally struggles.

That QB didn't take his job. Weis gave him that job. When Weis realized Cozart was worse he inserted Heaps in the game twice in the final two games. Weis was awful coaching both guys and hired someone else to do it to save his job with a new offense. Wouldn't be surprised if the people at Kansas made him take a hands off approach on the offense and in turn they turned down some of pressure.

People here have already broken down the numbers. The drops. What those drops would mean if even half were completions. The lack of talent. The awful O line play. We won't even talk about the fact that they're probably the least talented team offensively in that conference. You told an incomplete story. Thats all. You used "he got beat out by a true freshman" as a "drop mic" moment when anyone with a brain could dissect that situation and see what really happened.

 

[The Franchise]

Does anyone have an actual statistical comparison of how the freshmans Cozart performed versus Heaps. The "he beat out Heaps" stuff is pretty meaningless given the fact Weis is in full blown panic mode looking for anything or anyone to save his job.

Did Kansas look appreciably better with Cozart than it did with Heaps, or were they the same **** pile?

Kaaya clearly has the higher ceiling, but I've seen too many guys, who turned out to be really good QBs down the road, look really shaky as true freshmans. Braxton Miller looked like a deer in the headlights against our terrible defense. Even the great Peyton Manning was pedestrian at best as a true freshmans and struggled badly against top teams.

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[TD="align: right"]YDS/A[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]TD[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]INT[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]RAT[/TD]
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[TD]Jake Heaps[/TD]
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[TD]Montell Cozart[/TD]
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[TD="align: right"]63[/TD]
[TD="class: sortcell, align: right"]227[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]36.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.60[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]60.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Thank you. So, Cozart did far worse even though he purportedly "beat him out".

Heaps got beat out because another quarterback took his job and kept it. That's what "beat out" means.

Cozart didn't win the job because of his passing. He won the job because Heaps couldn't pass either, and at least Cozart could run.

Heaps is serving his purpose as an insurance policy. We needed him because Olsen is a disaster. But it's funny how people say that true freshmen traditionally struggle and ignore that Jake Heaps traditionally struggles.

He got "beat out"by a guy who did much worse than him in actual games and who Heaps had to replace in a couple games? Makes sense.

Or did he get "beat out" like Ryan Mallett did when Ryan left Michigan for Arkansas when Rick Rod went to Michigan and installed a system suited for Denard Robinson and not Mallett?

 

[CaneDro]

Does anyone have an actual statistical comparison of how the freshmans Cozart performed versus Heaps. The "he beat out Heaps" stuff is pretty meaningless given the fact Weis is in full blown panic mode looking for anything or anyone to save his job.

Did Kansas look appreciably better with Cozart than it did with Heaps, or were they the same **** pile?

Kaaya clearly has the higher ceiling, but I've seen too many guys, who turned out to be really good QBs down the road, look really shaky as true freshmans. Braxton Miller looked like a deer in the headlights against our terrible defense. Even the great Peyton Manning was pedestrian at best as a true freshmans and struggled badly against top teams.

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[TD="align: right"]CMP%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]YDS/A[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]TD[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]INT[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]RAT[/TD]
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[TD]Jake Heaps[/TD]
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[TD]Montell Cozart[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]23[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]63[/TD]
[TD="class: sortcell, align: right"]227[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]36.5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3.60[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
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[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Thank you. So, Cozart did far worse even though he purportedly "beat him out".

Heaps got beat out because another quarterback took his job and kept it. That's what "beat out" means.

Cozart didn't win the job because of his passing. He won the job because Heaps couldn't pass either, and at least Cozart could run.

Heaps is serving his purpose as an insurance policy. We needed him because Olsen is a disaster. But it's funny how people say that true freshmen traditionally struggle and ignore that Jake Heaps traditionally struggles.

He got "beat out"by a guy who did much worse than him in actual games and who Heaps had to replace in a couple games? Makes sense.

Or did he get "beat out" like Ryan Mallett did when Ryan left Michigan for Arkansas when Rick Rod went to Michigan and installed a system suited for Denard Robinson and not Mallett?

He got beat out beat out at BYU by a freshman that then went on to finish 7-1 he was holding byu back stop looking at just what happened in kansas if you get beat out at two different places chances are its cause you just aren't a good qb

 

[252cane]

**** kansas. What about byu? They are a very solid program.

Byu was 10-3 and 11-3 before heaps got there.

Heaps soph year he starte first 5 games and went 3-2. He was ****** in that span 56% 9tds 8ints and got benched.

Byu went 7-1 the rest of the year to finish 10-3. Heaps didnt travel with the team to the bowl game and told them he was transferring.

Times have changed in college and nfl. Qbs are not sitting 2 or 3 years anymore.

Heaps was only a 59% passer in high school. It's very clear he was overated.

Are you guys in support of heaps not worried that a 5th year sr is struggling to beat out a true freshman?

 

[Miami82]

Happens all the time. Some QBs can make the transition. Others can't.

LMAO, no it doesn't. You don't move away from an offense if you have a QB with the skills to run it, a SR QB at that. You are just making **** up now to support your agenda. Heaps was never going to be the starter in the O they switched to.

Sometimes you move away from an offense when the HC is desperate and willing to scrap everything he's done as a coach for 25 years in order to save his job. Weis couldn't win or field a decent offense with Chryst, Heaps, or anyone else at Kansas.

Weis isn't stupid. This isn't a roll the dice gamble. He is very calculating. I trust his evaluation over his 2 QB's and the direction he chose as an obvious indictment on Heaps ability.

Please Weis hand picked Cryst who he knew very well and Heaps both to come in there and run his pro-style system. Cryst was worse than Heaps the year before. Fat slob changed his offense to try to buy himself another year. He changed to a spread system because he knows he failed to recruit WRs and O-lineman to play in his system. LOL at trusting Weis and his evals.

I'd say they were about equal, not sure why that even matters.

NAME CMP ATT YDS CMP% YDS/A TD INT RAT
Dayne Crist 103 216 1313 47.7 6.08 4 9 96.5
Jake Heaps 128 261 1414 49 5.42 8 10 97

Comments I found:

Instant-impact newcomer, coaches' version: Charlie Weis essentially fired himself as offensive coordinator and brought in former Rice OC John Reagan to run the Jayhawks' attack. Weis will step back from the offense and take more of a "sounding board" role for KU while Reagan brings a higher-tempo style that will look to take advantage of Cozart's run-pass ability.

They said it: “In this offense that we're running, I think athleticism at the quarterback position is a critical factor, and he definitely has athleticism. So besides being able to stand in the pocket and deliver, I think that that added element to either on called runs by quarterback or just scramble ability to bail you out of some trouble situations gives us a better chance to score more points.” -- Weis on naming Cozart KU’s starting quarterback

 

[dg151]

Are you guys in support of heaps not worried that a 5th year sr is struggling to beat out a true freshman?

How many people are flat out saying Heaps should start? The groups at the moment seem to be "Kaaya needs to start" or "starting a freshmen is iffy, if Heaps is performing at the same level he should probably start". I probably had as high of an opinion of Kaaya as anyone before he came to campus. I also didn't think Heaps would have a chance of starting here when I first heard he transferred. But this situation is a very complicated one. If Williams had no chance of coming back this year, I think if Kaaya/Heaps are even you might consider more going with Kaaya. But with Williams possibly coming back a month into the season, is it really worth burning Kaaya's redshirt/throwing him into action for 3 games? Does Kaaya really give us that much better of a chance to beat Louisville than Heaps? Or do we go 2-1 before Williams comes back regardless who starts?

How many people are claiming Kaaya should start if Williams doesn't get hurt? Are we all just saying "man Kaaya's gonna be awesome after he redshirts" right now, or would people be saying "man Ryan Williams got beat out at Memphis 3 years ago maybe he isn't that good we should start Kaaya ASAP"?

There are a TON of questions and different possible scenarios going on right now, and the amount of information we have is literally nothing compared to what the coaching staff has, so saying definitively one way or the other about who should start is just stupid at this point. The staff with all their information hasn't named a starter yet, but for some reason people who only have a few vines and what reporters are saying are ready to call the race because of things that have nothing to do with what's going on in practice right now. How about we let the situation play out and maybe see what happens before we condemn the coaching staff/QBs before they play a game.

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

...starting a freshmen is iffy, if Heaps is performing at the same level he should probably start...

I don't know about camps, but that's where I'm at.

 

[weownfsu]

Heaps got beat out because another quarterback took his job and kept it. That's what "beat out" means.

Cozart didn't win the job because of his passing. He won the job because Heaps couldn't pass either, and at least Cozart could run.

Heaps is serving his purpose as an insurance policy. We needed him because Olsen is a disaster. But it's funny how people say that true freshmen traditionally struggle and ignore that Jake Heaps traditionally struggles.

But it's OK to ignore why Heaps struggled, and the circumstances surrounding those stops (sh1tty personnel, not a fit for the Read Option, etc), in order to take a dump on Heaps in the name of crowning Kaaya.

Got it.

Oh right. Heaps just can't possibly be bad at football. It really has never crossed your mind that Heaps struggled because he wasn't very good, has it?

 

[caneaddict]

Just to clarify because facts are being distorted...you can either look at this info as Heaps can return to this form or why not start a freshman...


Heaps began his freshman season sharing time with starting quarterback Riley Nelson. Once Nelson was lost to injury against Florida State, Heaps led the Cougars the rest of the season to six wins and four losses. He improved as the season progressed and had only a single loss in his last six games as he surpassed Ty Detmer's freshman touchdown record that stood for 22 years with 15 touchdowns. In the month of November and the December bowl game, Heaps threw 13 touchdowns and two interceptions and passed for 1,259 yards. He was the first freshman quarterback to ever lead the Cougars in Brigham Young's 29 bowl game appearances. Heaps was named the New Mexico Bowl's Most Valuable Player, breaking some of the bowl's records after leading BYU to a comfortable victory with a quarterback rating of 122.5 throwing 4 TD's with 1 INT. As a true freshman, Heaps threw for 2,316 yards, 15 touchdowns, and 9 interceptions with a quarterback rating of 116.2. He completed 219 passes on 383 attempts with a completion percentage of 57.2%.

 

[Notsince1985]

This is a very simple equation to solve


Heaps= Definite Corch
Kaaya = Possibly Coach (at least Coarch)

Name another great coach who didnt start the more promising Freshman..over the more experienced JR/SR.Stopps did it, Butch Did it, yall are some flucking fools if ya dont believe this... If we dont have an all ACC QB on our team you start the freshman...If Golden starts Heaps he is who we thought he was

Great examples. Cause none of those coaches started the true freshman. Stoops started a redshirt and Butch started Dorsey halfway through the year after the starter was injured. And Dorsey was terrible in losses in his first couple games on the road. VT-99 and UW-2000.

Ok wise *** Matt Barkley, T Pryor, Chad Henne, Erik Ainge, Matt Stafford?? **** even Reggie Ball started freshman year for GTEch i think he beat us that year too

Butch started TJ Yates his first season at UNC. They had been a dumpster fire in 2006. They beat miami. The next season they were incredibly good.

I don't really have a dog in this fight, but for the sake of accuracy, Yates redshirted in '06, so he started his redshirt freshman year in '07, his 2nd year at UNC and had a bad year (even if they beat Miami). He had 14 TD and 18 INT.

 

[Notsince1985]

Heaps is a walking sack , kid takes sacks like there's no tomorrow his pocket awareness is awful

Heaps has never been sacked more times in a season than Jameis Winston was sacked last year.

Go look at game film and how he crumbles in the pocket

So, Winston must be too then? You can't escape stats.

 

[jwayne]

September 1st isn't going to be a controlled scrimmage.
If they're equal after the 2nd scrimmage, my opinion is go with Heaps.
He's played a lot, seen good competition and doesn't usually make bad decisions. He's not the most accurate and his cast at KU was horrible outside of his RB.
I caught some of Heaps vs OU and his two 1st half sacks, he had no shot. Left tackle was beat, he stepped up and was immediately wrapped up.
If it's Kaaya, it should be because he's ready for everything; no excuses that he's a freshman and 18. If he plays well, kickass, but if he struggles he's a bust and he sucks with this fan base. I don't want him ruined. I prefer he get action late in week 2 and 3 and go from there.

 

[bbcane]

I say next scrimmage duke should have 1 possession then sit in the stands. Along with any other garunteed starter. See nfl preseason.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Are you guys in support of heaps not worried that a 5th year sr is struggling to beat out a true freshman?

How many people are flat out saying Heaps should start? The groups at the moment seem to be "Kaaya needs to start" or "starting a freshmen is iffy, if Heaps is performing at the same level he should probably start". I probably had as high of an opinion of Kaaya as anyone before he came to campus. I also didn't think Heaps would have a chance of starting here when I first heard he transferred. But this situation is a very complicated one. If Williams had no chance of coming back this year, I think if Kaaya/Heaps are even you might consider more going with Kaaya. But with Williams possibly coming back a month into the season, is it really worth burning Kaaya's redshirt/throwing him into action for 3 games? Does Kaaya really give us that much better of a chance to beat Louisville than Heaps? Or do we go 2-1 before Williams comes back regardless who starts?

How many people are claiming Kaaya should start if Williams doesn't get hurt? Are we all just saying "man Kaaya's gonna be awesome after he redshirts" right now, or would people be saying "man Ryan Williams got beat out at Memphis 3 years ago maybe he isn't that good we should start Kaaya ASAP"?

There are a TON of questions and different possible scenarios going on right now, and the amount of information we have is literally nothing compared to what the coaching staff has, so saying definitively one way or the other about who should start is just stupid at this point. The staff with all their information hasn't named a starter yet, but for some reason people who only have a few vines and what reporters are saying are ready to call the race because of things that have nothing to do with what's going on in practice right now. How about we let the situation play out and maybe see what happens before we condemn the coaching staff/QBs before they play a game.

Great stuff.. To bad the people on this board that need to understand this won't because they either have ADD or don't comprehend well or both.

 

[dycane]

The bottom line is that this, to me, is the most talented team we have had in a decade. I am not irrational. I think Dorito has serious issues, but a reasonable person can safely assume this defense is better this year. And our offense is potentially lethal. We don't need a playmaker with huge upside at quarterback week 1. This isn't the season to have a freshman learn on the job by being thrown into the fire.

No matter how Kaaya performs in practice and controlled scrimmages (and they are controlled), there is no way to account for the shell-shock factor of stepping into a sold out stadium at night on the road and lining up against a foreign defense with 11 animals looking to destroy your life. Only experience allows one to acclimate to that context and minimize the nerves. And history proves that, no matter how talented the guy is, freshmen perform poorly in those situations.

At least as to GAME 1, which is supremely important to this season and our program, I would err on the side of experience with a guy who has been through the fire for 4 years. He can manage the game and get the ball to our playmakers -- that's all we need to win that game. It's not as if the guy is throwing a bunch of dirt balls during practice. Despite DMoney's account, it appears he's held his own during the competition. Let him start and rely on Duke and our playmakers to win that game. Kaaya can be eased into the rotation when there is less risk involved.