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F$U myths to be debunked

TheOriginalCane said:
Good lord, the absolute BULL**** that is spinning out of F$U fans and writers after this disastrous start.

1. They are "rebuilding". But...WHY? Rebuilding is something that happens (most commonly) in college football when you fire a failed coach. Or if you signed one really great recruiting class ONE TIME, then they all became seniors together, and now they are gone. Of course, this ignores two major realities of college football. First, you can sign a mini-team EVERY YEAR. If you hit the high school recruiting hard each-and-every-year, then there IS NO "rebuilding". Second, there is a thing called THE PORTAL now. And given the fact that F$U's 13-1 undefeated team was built on Portal players....well, here's an idea...SIGN MORE GOOD PORTAL PLAYERS. You don't need multiple years for Portal players to hit. Again...THERE IS NO REBUILDING YEAR FOR A COLLEGE COACH COMING OFF A 13-1 UNDEFEATED SEASON.

2. They are "bridging". But...TO WHAT? If this "bridge" theory was correct, then they have an AMAZING younger talent pool that is merely one year from dominating college football...AND they load up on 1-year Portal guys to hold them until that time...and we all know that BOTH of those elements are false.

3. The "cost" of everything. I have written about this previously. After finally getting back to a 13-1 undefeated season, largely by paying big NIL to Portal players, F$U suddenly decided to go cheap. In a variety of ways. First, rather than say "hey, what we just paid is the 'standard' budget, let's go spend it on new guys", they decided to try to spend LESS coming off of a 13-1 undefeated season. Second, they decided to SHAME their own underclassmen who, for right or wrong, felt that it was now their time to be compensated. So the F$U writers and fans spent the off-season telling the world "Sophomore Billy Bob wants to be paid $X, which is what we were playing Jared Verse, and he isn't worth it, and he hasn't earned it". Which, of course, is NOT how you build loyalty and love. Finally, when F$U had the CHANCE to go out and make lightning strike twice (by signing the newer version of Jared Verse out of the Portal), they decided to waste their time and money on guys who had glittering HIGH SCHOOL resumes, but had not yet produced at the collegiate level. All of those things are a veritable PERFECT STORM of stupidity and ignorance when it comes to getting bang for the NIL buck.

4. Hope is crushed. I've been DM'ing with a couple of posters, and one of them pointed out the CRIPPLING impact that Mario has had on Florida and F$U, as they chased and chased and chased recruits that they THOUGHT would pick them, only to have their hopes crushed when these kids picked Miami. And the seconardary impact of this is that when Prison Mike and Slingblade Billy suddenly had to fill spots, they got MUCH lesser talent (whether HS or Portal).

5. These head coaches are NOT as good as first claimed. I said it about Prison Mike right off the bat, that it was JUSTIN FUENTE who rebuilt Memphis. Ah, yes, but then the CIS He-Man Norvell-Lovers Club tried to tell me how "The Portal" had changed everything, and that Prison Mike had invented the GREATEST STRATEGERY EVER, the "Portal Method". And then I pointed out that Slingblade Billy's entire resume was propped up by Mario recruiting a batch of blue-chip SoFla WRs at Alabama. But but but, Slingblade Billy made magic happen at Louisiana, that's what I was told. Meanwhile, both Prison Mike and Slingblade Billy have hired and/or retained some truly questionable assistant coaches, and now it is looking like their "offensive playcalling genius" was a bit overstated too.

6. "Culture". Uhhh, yeahhhh, right. Both Prison Mike and Slingblade Billy have supposedly rebuilt the "culture" of their programs, and all of their players are high caliber kids who spend 25 hours a day, 8 days a week preparing for football. "C.L.I.M.B.". "Billy's Army". All of that stuff is being exposed as a load of hot bull****.

Don't let the F$U (or UiF) fans try to spin "good" reasons for the failures at both schools. The reality is that they signed under-talented players and are coaching them poorly as well.

No mystery there.
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FSU was too busy filing lawsuits against the ACC demanding more money and complaining about not making the CFP last season, they forgot to actually focus on this season. It wouldn't have mattered much as Norvell sucks when it comes to HS recruiting and apparently isn't that great in the transfer portal sans last season
 
The correlation between coaches that can't build culture and can't recruit HS is very strong. Creating a culture requires a really good sales pitch and convincing kids to buy in. It's no different than recruiting.
 
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mcnaire2004 said:
23 schedule. Nothing to write home about

LSU good

Southern Miss trash

BC okay

Clem okay

VT trash

Syracuse trash

Duke okay

Wake trash

Pitt trash

U

North Alabama trash

Florida trash

UL okay

UGA


Mike took over a team that just got their dream coach from Oregon fired after Manny and Jarren curb stomped him.



Mike proceeded to also get curb stomped by Manny. Mike followed that up with another ****** year but this time Manny collapsed at the end.



22 FSU wasn't great. 23 he just got luckey a bunch. Yeah I guess they got national respect. You right


That defense was Trash. I'm evaluating them against us and not those trash offenses (Riley Leonard is trash) their D padded their stats with.


His Demeanor doesn't mean squat. His play is trash. TVD could at least move the ball. DJU is closer to Jake Garcia. Except Jake can win a game with his legs.


Mike is a good business man and FSU board, President, and especially the fans are just stupid. Next level stupid.


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OK.
 
Rellyrell said:
Norvell hit w/ Travis, Verse, Johnson, Benson, Bell, Fiske, & several others. Unfortunately for them, he wasn’t supplementing those portal players w/ high value HS players (which I stand on is always the true blood line of a great program).
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THIS ^^^

Need to have a healthy balance of on-brand portal pick-ups while also building your program with right-fit high school recruits.

Mario built and continues building a culture; neither Florida or Florida State have done the same with their coaches.

Toss in the fact both are cash-poor and it's no wonder both look like trash.

Amateur Hour in both Canesville and Trailerhassee.
 
Rellyrell said:
OK.
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As per usual, we have a bunch of guys missing the point.

The issue is not whether F$U or UiF is good or not. They are not.

The issue is how their writers and fans somehow DON'T SEE IT, and then spin out all manner of fantastical explanations.

I'm just preparing OUR fans with the logic to eviscerate those morons.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
As per usual, we have a bunch of guys missing the point.

The issue is not whether F$U or UiF is good or not. They are not.

The issue is how their writers and fans somehow DON'T SEE IT, and then spin out all manner of fantastical explanations.

I'm just preparing OUR fans with the logic to eviscerate those morons.
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After game 1, I told my boys immediately YA’LL IN TROUBLE. They chopped it up to Game 1, Ireland, blah blah blah. They r who they r, & they suck this yr b/c Billy, I mean Mike, went to The Transfer Portal one, too, many times. It backfired & we’re going to smoke them, period.
 
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Rellyrell said:
What FSU fans need to understand as I pointed out to a couple of friends who r FSU fans:

Sometimes the portal giveth prosperity, & sometimes the portal giveth ****. We’ve been victims of that in yrs past, & now FSU is.

Norvell hit w/ Travis, Verse, Johnson, Benson, Bell, Fiske, & several others. Unfortunately for them, he wasn’t supplementing those portal players w/ high value HS players (which I stand on is always the true blood line of a great program).

FSU stans need to understand they whiffed on the QB position. They went after a kid who’s no longer that 5* prodigy coming out of HS, he’s a 3* prospect at best. They whiffed on Darrell Jackson who continues to use his size (pause) to deceive programs into thinking he’s a difference maker. They whiffed on Jones Jr. who seems like a kid who peeked in HS.

This is not a rebuild; they r who they r. W/e Magic Mike worked on Jordan Travis ain’t working w/ DJU, & there’s not a team in America who’s threatened by him as a QB in the RPO game.
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Bully these people. It is imperative for your intellectual and spiritual growth.
 
Rellyrell said:
What FSU fans need to understand as I pointed out to a couple of friends who r FSU fans:

Sometimes the portal giveth prosperity, & sometimes the portal giveth ****. We’ve been victims of that in yrs past, & now FSU is.

Norvell hit w/ Travis, Verse, Johnson, Benson, Bell, Fiske, & several others. Unfortunately for them, he wasn’t supplementing those portal players w/ high value HS players (which I stand on is always the true blood line of a great program).

FSU stans need to understand they whiffed on the QB position. They went after a kid who’s no longer that 5* prodigy coming out of HS, he’s a 3* prospect at best. They whiffed on Darrell Jackson who continues to use his size (pause) to deceive programs into thinking he’s a difference maker. They whiffed on Jones Jr. who seems like a kid who peeked in HS.

This is not a rebuild; they r who they r. W/e Magic Mike worked on Jordan Travis ain’t working w/ DJU, & there’s not a team in America who’s threatened by him as a QB in the RPO game.
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absolutely correct on building a program, build cultural and talent with HS recruits and find difference making portal guys........ mario is on top of this type of rebuild
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
1. Norvell can't recruit HS

2. To combat this, they've allocated more money to portal additions

3. Norvell and staff did a good job originally of identifying and acquiring both proven good players (Verse, Fiske, Coleman, Bell, Johnson, Deloach) and hitting on some good athletes who hadn't proven it at the college level (Benson, Wilson)

4. Those kids are gone, and they replaced them ALL with hopes and dreams. None of the kids they got are anywhere close to the Verse, Fiske etc list I have above. None of them. They're all backups with no film at big schools. So what happens when you think Marvin Jones Jr shows up and just replaces Jared Verse, even though MJ Jr. did NOTHING in 2 years at UGA?

5. You go 0-2 as two touchdown favorites, your season ends by Labor Day, you're the laughing stock of the country, and your program goes down in flames

/fin
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JackMcClinton89 said:
I don't see the point in making this "analysis" right now, after the season has just started. Yes FSU doesn't look like they just reloaded and will be a championship contender, but plenty of teams in the past have started weak and finished strong and I see no reason to believe why FSU doesn't. If FSU piles another loss or two in the next month then maybe we can make definitive statements about how they have failed, but I still think there is a greater than 50% chance they end up with the same or more wins than we do.
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Sir, can I help you? I believe you’ve lost your S**t.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
As per usual, we have a bunch of guys missing the point.

The issue is not whether F$U or UiF is good or not. They are not.

The issue is how their writers and fans somehow DON'T SEE IT, and then spin out all manner of fantastical explanations.

I'm just preparing OUR fans with the logic to eviscerate those morons.
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All of this banter is fascinating. The Yin and Yang of opinions and imput. It’s refreshing. I might add,.. BOOF**KingHOO. Can’t wait to tear off their helmets and S**t down their throats, just sayin’🙌🏽 GO CANES#CANESNATIONLIFER
 
The portal guys that drove the success the last two seasons were players that were punching above their weight class and wanted a bigger stage to improve their draft stock. The guys they are bringing in now are players that didn’t get what they wanted out of their previous school and are moving on in hopes thing will change at FSU. Different types of players and the culture is not the same when you have a bunch of guys that think there are better than they actually are.
 
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Brains said:
Bully these people. It is imperative for your intellectual and spiritual growth.
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As much **** as they’ve given me, I make it a daily habit to remind them that Calvin Johnson, Luke Keuchly, Roman Reigns, Doug Flutie, BJ Raji, Matt Ryan, AJ Dillon, Harrison Butker, Dorsey Levens all say hello on a daily basis.
 
edge said:
You can't build a powerhouse using the portal as your main source of talent. That has never worked and never will. Prime better wake up quick because he is not doing it correctly. The one guy that kind of made it work but never built a powerhouse team was Bill Snyder at Kansas State. But the belief that bringing in a new core of guys each year and hoping they hit is pure comedy. Even in the NBA, the so called super teams, more often then not do not work. The right way to do it is to build the team from the ground up based on high school recruiting and you supplement with portal players. This is how Saban did it, this is how Smart did it and this is what Cristobal is doing. I would trade this current Miami team with last years FSU team any day of the week. I want a team that is consistently good, not good once every 5 years.
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Edge, didn't Snyder really build through JUCO transfers? At least most of those guys stay 2 or 3(if they have a RS year available) - and in that era those type of players might be hit or miss but they do have a sense of gratitude at getting a shot

Once Snyder got them on track, the Wildcats became a pretty solid, consistent program
 
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