ESPN Top 10 sophomores

[MoSikes]

Curious where Yeldon would have ranked if he stayed with Auburn instead of Bama. Great talent, and a lot to like, but I'm running for a K behind that line. And I love watching Gurley play but the ceiling is a question there. Very much doubt either are first round picks this past year (and I'm not sure either end up there in 2 years). Cooper probably ends up as a first rounder, but wouldn't have been taken over Patterson/Hopkins this past year.

I'd probably have Cooper, Fields, Duke, Peat, Williams, Fowler, Diggs, Gurley, Yeldon, DGB, but it really depends on their criteria. If this is a list of projecting their performance next season, I'd probably have Yeldon/Duke top 2, but if it's overall talent, or draft projection, or overall college accomplishments, the ranking is probably different every time. The top 10 is likely all the same.

Darby on this least is fairly foolish in any which way though.

Edit: Completely forgot about Gray, he's probably a fringe top 10 guy based on college performance this season because UT has a stacked backfield, but he's just as talented as the other three backs on the list, Keith Marshall isn't far behind either.

You're right, it really does change based on what exactly the criteria is for ranking those guys. NFL potential, last year prod., next year prod, etc; it's all different.

What I'm thinking is that we have to consider what games the writer of that article watched last year. And I'm not talking about going back to see the tape or highlights, which both have their benefits, I'm talking about live. I imagine that guy (I can't see the article, but I'm assuming is a National writer) probably watched Alabama play 4 or 5 times, and Georgia and Florida just a notch below. They had the highlight games, so the kids that stick out from those will land high on a list as subjective as this. If he were an ACC beat writer putting it together, than Diggs and Duke would be a little higher, and Darby wouldn't be considering he'd know the kid barely showed anything last year. Same goes for the B12 writer, who would never put Fields after another DE, and a Pac 12 writer who would have Williams up there.

 

[Biscuits]

I watched the games. When I watch the SEC all I see are perpetuated myths and hype built up by years of ESPN slurping. These SEC teams don't play anyone worth a **** on the road but yet we should crown their players because they beat the players in their own conference? And every time the SEC loses a game like LSU and Florida did last year. they say "they weren't motivated, they didn't want to be there because it wasn't a championship". Cooper and Yeldon had amazing 1st round talent around them, that made things extremely easy for them to have success. I'm not saying DUKE is number #1 on that list, but he is 1 of the only players on that list who actually carried his team. And you look at the guys ahead of them. and you have a nole who didn't produce a single turnover but yet is #5 and a bunch of guys who were surrounded by talent. The list is a joke and so is your SEC slurping. Texas A&M is the prime example to dispel these SEC myths. 2 years ago they were bums who could barely beat Texas, now they are world beaters because they beat teams in the SEC. Its ironic how the 4th/5th best team in the Big12 comes in and runs shop in the "hardest division" in the college football...makes you wonder doesn't it.

There are so many flaws with this post, I don't know where to start. Well, ****, I'll start at the start.

If you really watch the games, and still believe what you wrote, then you're a delusional hater who doesn't see things the way they really are.

It's highly ironic that you lead in with the idea that the SEC is a myth, and then you proceed to perpetuate one yourself right off the bat. The SEC doesn't play anyone worth a **** on the road? How does that make those schools different from the bulk of elite programs nationally? Please list a few other perinnial top-10 programs who consistently go out of conference to play challenging road contests. Seriously, show me. Now, while there probably aren't a ton of road matchups, the SEC does take on a solid list of OOC tets when you throw in neutral site games. MIAMI just refused one against LSU, by the way. Let's look at this team by team. Over the past five years, including bowls (in italics), and excluding home games...

Bama has played:
VT, PSU, Michigan, Clemson, ND

LSU:
Washington, Oregon, Clemson, UNC, PSU

Awburn:
Clemson (3x home/away and a neutral site game), Orygun, WVU

UGA:
Okie State, Colorado, Arizona State, Michigan State, Nebraska

Florida, obviously, is a joke (sorry killa) and you can't even begin to explain away their cowardly scheduling with a straight face unless you're brainwashed. But Florida isn't the entire conference. The other teams at the top have clearly scheduled solid competition. Again, go find me a conference that has done better.

Also, they won more of these games than they lost. This isn't Notre Dame, this isn't Ohio State. This isn't a media creation. You may hate that ESPN gets all hot for the conference, but - in reality - that doesn't make the results on the field anything less than they really are. Bama isn't in my top 5 most hated teams, but they're definitely in the top 10. That doesn't change the fact that the ND squad that they absolutely raped back in January had gone undefeated against a pretty solid schedule. It brought great joy to my heart to see ND get it's teeth kicked in like that. But we got our teeth kicked in just the same, by that same team.

The rest of your post is just pointless ****. Do you really think TAMU isn't fundamentally better than they were a few years ago? Go ask Bob Stoops what he thinks. Who gives a **** if Duke wasn't at the top of the list, or near the top? Big deal. We know how good he is. And, frankly, being on a top ten list is pretty ******* cool. McGhee wouldn't have made that list if it were around before his second year in the program.

Denying greatness is *****made stuff. It's what Noles and Gators do. Canes just work harder to get there.

 

[Consigliere]

I am surprised Winston wasn't number 1, he is the best player in the country and should be on every list even though he hasn't taken one snap in college.

 

[bobbydigius]

Again, with the SEC insecurity. All those SEC dudes ahead of Duke on that list are certified freaks.

I don't know a thing about the dude from TCU aside from hearing towards the end of the year that he was tearing it up. The one I figured most would be ****ing about is the dude from FSU. A CB who didn't start or pick off a pass is better than Duke???


Dafukouttahere

Stop with the SEC blowjobs on every post. Cooper is the only one. Bama RB or U***s DE are only ahead of him cause they are in the sec. look at dukes runs against BC where he broke and stiff armed the **** out of people to take those runs to the house.

Do you actually watch football games, or just ****-talk based on envy and insecurity?

If you actually watch football, and don't think Fowler or Yeldon were two of the ten best freshmen last year, then your opinion can be disregarded pretty easily from here on out. What about Yeldon playing in the SEC allowed him to steamroll tacklers as a true frosh?

And in no way am I saying he's better than Duke. The -absurd- idea that Duke doesn't run with power has already been dismantled here. As far as I can tell, the only thing he's lacking as a runner is elite top-end speed. Everything else is flawless.

I don't think you can realistically rank the best players in any given class 1-10. It is much easier to take the top ten, however. Duke most definitely is in that group. So are most of the others mentioned. Your butthurtedness over the SEC doesn't change the fact that it's easily the best conference. Or the fact that it has amassed a ton of talent over the past four crootin cycles.

I long for the days when we can ****talk Bammer, UF, and the rest of CFB from at atop a throne of titles and ***-beatings. But we're not back there yet. Pretending the SEC ain't the SEC won't get us back there any quicker. They're at the top. We want what they have. No sense acting like ****es or pretending it's all something it's not.

I watched the games. When I watch the SEC all I see are perpetuated myths and hype built up by years of ESPN slurping. These SEC teams don't play anyone worth a **** on the road but yet we should crown their players because they beat the players in their own conference? And every time the SEC loses a game like LSU and Florida did last year. they say "they weren't motivated, they didn't want to be there because it wasn't a championship". Cooper and Yeldon had amazing 1st round talent around them, that made things extremely easy for them to have success. I'm not saying DUKE is number #1 on that list, but he is 1 of the only players on that list who actually carried his team. And you look at the guys ahead of them. and you have a nole who didn't produce a single turnover but yet is #5 and a bunch of guys who were surrounded by talent. The list is a joke and so is your SEC slurping. Texas A&M is the prime example to dispel these SEC myths. 2 years ago they were bums who could barely beat Texas, now they are world beaters because they beat teams in the SEC. Its ironic how the 4th/5th best team in the Big12 comes in and runs shop in the "hardest division" in the college football...makes you wonder doesn't it.

First and foremost, Duke did not carry this team last year, he was a big part of our team as a true freshman who belongs on this list which he is a part of, but lets stop pretending that Morris didnt throw for crazy yards and that Dorsett didnt have a bunch of game changing plays. Second, did you bother to check where Texas A&M actually finished in the SEC, not what I call running shop, but hey dont let facts get in the way. Third, in that same example I can think of a few differences between that A&M team than the previous, the Heisman winner might be a good start. Regardless this has nothing to do with the SEC per se as much as the players on the list. Both Yeldon and Cooper beasted last year as freshmen on the MNC team, if that doesnt support their ranking I dont know what will. Also Fowler, if this kid was on our roster well you would be touting him as an AA this year just like Duke. Lastly the Duke vs Yearby thing, all you can go by is what you saw, and I saw both play against the same team in ND......

 

[killa1storm]

I watched the games. When I watch the SEC all I see are perpetuated myths and hype built up by years of ESPN slurping. These SEC teams don't play anyone worth a **** on the road but yet we should crown their players because they beat the players in their own conference? And every time the SEC loses a game like LSU and Florida did last year. they say "they weren't motivated, they didn't want to be there because it wasn't a championship". Cooper and Yeldon had amazing 1st round talent around them, that made things extremely easy for them to have success. I'm not saying DUKE is number #1 on that list, but he is 1 of the only players on that list who actually carried his team. And you look at the guys ahead of them. and you have a nole who didn't produce a single turnover but yet is #5 and a bunch of guys who were surrounded by talent. The list is a joke and so is your SEC slurping. Texas A&M is the prime example to dispel these SEC myths. 2 years ago they were bums who could barely beat Texas, now they are world beaters because they beat teams in the SEC. Its ironic how the 4th/5th best team in the Big12 comes in and runs shop in the "hardest division" in the college football...makes you wonder doesn't it.

There are so many flaws with this post, I don't know where to start. Well, ****, I'll start at the start.

If you really watch the games, and still believe what you wrote, then you're a delusional hater who doesn't see things the way they really are.

It's highly ironic that you lead in with the idea that the SEC is a myth, and then you proceed to perpetuate one yourself right off the bat. The SEC doesn't play anyone worth a **** on the road? How does that make those schools different from the bulk of elite programs nationally? Please list a few other perinnial top-10 programs who consistently go out of conference to play challenging road contests. Seriously, show me. Now, while there probably aren't a ton of road matchups, the SEC does take on a solid list of OOC tets when you throw in neutral site games. MIAMI just refused one against LSU, by the way. Let's look at this team by team. Over the past five years, including bowls (in italics), and excluding home games...

Bama has played:
VT, PSU, Michigan, Clemson, ND

LSU:
Washington, Oregon, Clemson, UNC, PSU

Awburn:
Clemson (3x home/away and a neutral site game), Orygun, WVU

UGA:
Okie State, Colorado, Arizona State, Michigan State, Nebraska

Florida, obviously, is a joke (sorry killa) and you can't even begin to explain away their cowardly scheduling with a straight face unless you're brainwashed. But Florida isn't the entire conference. The other teams at the top have clearly scheduled solid competition. Again, go find me a conference that has done better.

Also, they won more of these games than they lost. This isn't Notre Dame, this isn't Ohio State. This isn't a media creation. You may hate that ESPN gets all hot for the conference, but - in reality - that doesn't make the results on the field anything less than they really are. Bama isn't in my top 5 most hated teams, but they're definitely in the top 10. That doesn't change the fact that the ND squad that they absolutely raped back in January had gone undefeated against a pretty solid schedule. It brought great joy to my heart to see ND get it's teeth kicked in like that. But we got our teeth kicked in just the same, by that same team.

The rest of your post is just pointless ****. Do you really think TAMU isn't fundamentally better than they were a few years ago? Go ask Bob Stoops what he thinks. Who gives a **** if Duke wasn't at the top of the list, or near the top? Big deal. We know how good he is. And, frankly, being on a top ten list is pretty ******* cool. McGhee wouldn't have made that list if it were around before his second year in the program.

Denying greatness is *****made stuff. It's what Noles and Gators do. Canes just work harder to get there.

got no problem with the post even regarding uf.

the only thing i will say about it is that uf plays the top 2-3 from the west regularly. uga does not and bama typically doesn't play the top 2-3 from the east either. to drive that point home, bama has face ONE team from the SEC east with a winning record the last 5 years, south carolina in 10' and they lost by 2 TD's. bama's permanent east teams are vandy and tennesee, uga's is auburn (who has a good team every 5 years) and ole miss. meanwhile ours is bama and lsu with auburn rotating. we also face a nationally recognized team in fsu for our rival who would be the 2nd or 3rd best opponent on their schedules. lsu's rival is in conference as is bama with auburn which opens up an ooc slot for them. and uga's is gt which is laughable. so they have more flexibility to go ooc and play guys.

now would i like to see us schedule more marquee names ooc? absolutely, but i'm not gonna ***** when we're playing 5-6 top 25 teams a year and have a schedule regularly in the top 10. that's more than most powerhouses are doing even with better ooc scheduling. i've accepted that it's a losing proposition with fans of miami and fsu. they want us to play both miami and fsu and when we do they'll say we don't leave the state outside the conference. the only way we could play both fsu and miami and still travel ooc away is to schedule 12 games against bcs opponents and risk some years where we have 4 home games...that's impossible and any ad would be dumb to do it. what is essentially being asked is that uf play an 8 game conference schedule, schedule two top 10 teams occ (miami and fsu when they are good) plus schedule two more bcs games to travel on the road. most of the major teams aren't even scheduling two bcs teams ooc.

but on the flipside if we dropped miami and fsu to play teams outside the state ooc they'd say we were running...can't please em. either you want us to stay in state and play or you want us to go out of state to play marquee games, can't have it both ways. look at 08' for example, we played miami, fsu, and 6 other ranked opponents...people still *****ed about our schedule saying we had it easy because we didn't leave the state ooc lol. it is what it is.

 

[Dghustla]

I watched the games. When I watch the SEC all I see are perpetuated myths and hype built up by years of ESPN slurping. These SEC teams don't play anyone worth a **** on the road but yet we should crown their players because they beat the players in their own conference? And every time the SEC loses a game like LSU and Florida did last year. they say "they weren't motivated, they didn't want to be there because it wasn't a championship". Cooper and Yeldon had amazing 1st round talent around them, that made things extremely easy for them to have success. I'm not saying DUKE is number #1 on that list, but he is 1 of the only players on that list who actually carried his team. And you look at the guys ahead of them. and you have a nole who didn't produce a single turnover but yet is #5 and a bunch of guys who were surrounded by talent. The list is a joke and so is your SEC slurping. Texas A&M is the prime example to dispel these SEC myths. 2 years ago they were bums who could barely beat Texas, now they are world beaters because they beat teams in the SEC. Its ironic how the 4th/5th best team in the Big12 comes in and runs shop in the "hardest division" in the college football...makes you wonder doesn't it.

There are so many flaws with this post, I don't know where to start. Well, ****, I'll start at the start.

If you really watch the games, and still believe what you wrote, then you're a delusional hater who doesn't see things the way they really are.

It's highly ironic that you lead in with the idea that the SEC is a myth, and then you proceed to perpetuate one yourself right off the bat. The SEC doesn't play anyone worth a **** on the road? How does that make those schools different from the bulk of elite programs nationally? Please list a few other perinnial top-10 programs who consistently go out of conference to play challenging road contests. Seriously, show me. Now, while there probably aren't a ton of road matchups, the SEC does take on a solid list of OOC tets when you throw in neutral site games. MIAMI just refused one against LSU, by the way. Let's look at this team by team. Over the past five years, including bowls (in italics), and excluding home games...

Bama has played:
VT, PSU, Michigan, Clemson, ND

LSU:
Washington, Oregon, Clemson, UNC, PSU

Awburn:
Clemson (3x home/away and a neutral site game), Orygun, WVU

UGA:
Okie State, Colorado, Arizona State, Michigan State, Nebraska

Florida, obviously, is a joke (sorry killa) and you can't even begin to explain away their cowardly scheduling with a straight face unless you're brainwashed. But Florida isn't the entire conference. The other teams at the top have clearly scheduled solid competition. Again, go find me a conference that has done better.

Also, they won more of these games than they lost. This isn't Notre Dame, this isn't Ohio State. This isn't a media creation. You may hate that ESPN gets all hot for the conference, but - in reality - that doesn't make the results on the field anything less than they really are. Bama isn't in my top 5 most hated teams, but they're definitely in the top 10. That doesn't change the fact that the ND squad that they absolutely raped back in January had gone undefeated against a pretty solid schedule. It brought great joy to my heart to see ND get it's teeth kicked in like that. But we got our teeth kicked in just the same, by that same team.

The rest of your post is just pointless ****. Do you really think TAMU isn't fundamentally better than they were a few years ago? Go ask Bob Stoops what he thinks. Who gives a **** if Duke wasn't at the top of the list, or near the top? Big deal. We know how good he is. And, frankly, being on a top ten list is pretty ****ing cool. McGhee wouldn't have made that list if it were around before his second year in the program.

Denying greatness is ****made stuff. It's what Noles and Gators do. Canes just work harder to get there.

I see what you did there. You listed a bunch of bowl game matchups. Which have nothing to do with my point. The SEC does not schedule tough games on road. LSU playing Oregon in Texas is a home game for LSU. Bama playing VaTech in Atlanta is a home game for Bama. Those are as neutral as us playing ND in Chi-town.

Of all the games you mentioned less than 50% weren't bowl games. And outside of AU vs Clemson , and UGA vs Okie-St. 100% of those games were "neutral" site games. I'm not hating on anything. I just don't buy into the "dominance". When the SEC has been gifted a 2-loss title game appearance and a rematch.

OU played us home and away and if we wouldn't have slide off the abyss that would have been a tough matchup
same with OSU.

I know alot of teams and conferences have adopted the watered down method of scheduling over the last few years but my point is a majority of these "top teams" wouldn't even schedule to play Nc State or Uva. Sorry if i'm not as impressed as you are by beating AA schools by 5 scores.

My point about Texas A&M is this. for the prior 3-4 years there were 4th best in their conference (at best) with the emergence of Okie State. All we heard was how those "air raid" offenses wouldnt work in the SEC because of the defenses. "look what AU and LSU did to Oregon" is what the critics said. Now TAMU with a new coach in his first year, and a new QB is able to come in and dominate the league. Had TAMU won the big 12 no one would have given a ****. They would have said the BIG 12 wasn't that strong to begin with. My point is this the SEC is no different from every other league out there. They have 3-4 legit teams and a bunch of hype. For a league that is heralded for its defenses in the last 5 years, 3 QBs have run for over 1,000 yards and passed for at least 2,000 while putting up **** near 20 rushing TDs and 20 passing TDs.

endorsing Faux-Greatness that's what Noles and Gators do.

 

[Plzwork4]

Now, while there probably aren't a ton of road matchups, the SEC does take on a solid list of OOC tets when you throw in neutral site games. MIAMI just refused one against LSU, by the way.

Stopped reading directly after this...

Are you really going to say that with a straight face? You threw that little jab in there like some ***gy Gator or Nole fan would. How is playing LSU in Houston a "neutral" site? Also we would have to travel to play Nebraska the next week...does that make sense? So playing an away game against LSU, then away to Nebraska back to back before our conference schedule begins makes sense? You should've never put that in there...

 

[killa1storm]

I watched the games. When I watch the SEC all I see are perpetuated myths and hype built up by years of ESPN slurping. These SEC teams don't play anyone worth a **** on the road but yet we should crown their players because they beat the players in their own conference? And every time the SEC loses a game like LSU and Florida did last year. they say "they weren't motivated, they didn't want to be there because it wasn't a championship". Cooper and Yeldon had amazing 1st round talent around them, that made things extremely easy for them to have success. I'm not saying DUKE is number #1 on that list, but he is 1 of the only players on that list who actually carried his team. And you look at the guys ahead of them. and you have a nole who didn't produce a single turnover but yet is #5 and a bunch of guys who were surrounded by talent. The list is a joke and so is your SEC slurping. Texas A&M is the prime example to dispel these SEC myths. 2 years ago they were bums who could barely beat Texas, now they are world beaters because they beat teams in the SEC. Its ironic how the 4th/5th best team in the Big12 comes in and runs shop in the "hardest division" in the college football...makes you wonder doesn't it.

There are so many flaws with this post, I don't know where to start. Well, ****, I'll start at the start.

If you really watch the games, and still believe what you wrote, then you're a delusional hater who doesn't see things the way they really are.

It's highly ironic that you lead in with the idea that the SEC is a myth, and then you proceed to perpetuate one yourself right off the bat. The SEC doesn't play anyone worth a **** on the road? How does that make those schools different from the bulk of elite programs nationally? Please list a few other perinnial top-10 programs who consistently go out of conference to play challenging road contests. Seriously, show me. Now, while there probably aren't a ton of road matchups, the SEC does take on a solid list of OOC tets when you throw in neutral site games. MIAMI just refused one against LSU, by the way. Let's look at this team by team. Over the past five years, including bowls (in italics), and excluding home games...

Bama has played:
VT, PSU, Michigan, Clemson, ND

LSU:
Washington, Oregon, Clemson, UNC, PSU

Awburn:
Clemson (3x home/away and a neutral site game), Orygun, WVU

UGA:
Okie State, Colorado, Arizona State, Michigan State, Nebraska

Florida, obviously, is a joke (sorry killa) and you can't even begin to explain away their cowardly scheduling with a straight face unless you're brainwashed. But Florida isn't the entire conference. The other teams at the top have clearly scheduled solid competition. Again, go find me a conference that has done better.

Also, they won more of these games than they lost. This isn't Notre Dame, this isn't Ohio State. This isn't a media creation. You may hate that ESPN gets all hot for the conference, but - in reality - that doesn't make the results on the field anything less than they really are. Bama isn't in my top 5 most hated teams, but they're definitely in the top 10. That doesn't change the fact that the ND squad that they absolutely raped back in January had gone undefeated against a pretty solid schedule. It brought great joy to my heart to see ND get it's teeth kicked in like that. But we got our teeth kicked in just the same, by that same team.

The rest of your post is just pointless ****. Do you really think TAMU isn't fundamentally better than they were a few years ago? Go ask Bob Stoops what he thinks. Who gives a **** if Duke wasn't at the top of the list, or near the top? Big deal. We know how good he is. And, frankly, being on a top ten list is pretty ****ing cool. McGhee wouldn't have made that list if it were around before his second year in the program.

Denying greatness is ****made stuff. It's what Noles and Gators do. Canes just work harder to get there.

I see what you did there. You listed a bunch of bowl game matchups. Which have nothing to do with my point. The SEC does not schedule tough games on road. LSU playing Oregon in Texas is a home game for LSU. Bama playing VaTech in Atlanta is a home game for Bama. Those are as neutral as us playing ND in Chi-town.

Of all the games you mentioned less than 50% weren't bowl games. And outside of AU vs Clemson , and UGA vs Okie-St. 100% of those games were "neutral" site games. I'm not hating on anything. I just don't buy into the "dominance". When the SEC has been gifted a 2-loss title game appearance and a rematch.

OU played us home and away and if we wouldn't have slide off the abyss that would have been a tough matchup
same with OSU.

I know alot of teams and conferences have adopted the watered down method of scheduling over the last few years but my point is a majority of these "top teams" wouldn't even schedule to play Nc State or Uva. Sorry if i'm not as impressed as you are by beating AA schools by 5 scores.

My point about Texas A&M is this. for the prior 3-4 years there were 4th best in their conference (at best) with the emergence of Okie State. All we heard was how those "air raid" offenses wouldnt work in the SEC because of the defenses. "look what AU and LSU did to Oregon" is what the critics said. Now TAMU with a new coach in his first year, and a new QB is able to come in and dominate the league. Had TAMU won the big 12 no one would have given a ****. They would have said the BIG 12 wasn't that strong to begin with. My point is this the SEC is no different from every other league out there. They have 3-4 legit teams and a bunch of hype. For a league that is heralded for its defenses in the last 5 years, 3 QBs have run for over 1,000 yards and passed for at least 2,000 while putting up **** near 20 rushing TDs and 20 passing TDs.

endorsing Faux-Greatness that's what Noles and Gators do.

well a&m finished 5th in the sec, so not sure how they came in and dominated the league. but to pretend they were the same team as they were the year before as biscuit pointed out is also flawed. they faced 3 top 25 teams in the regular season and lost to 2 of them, so i don't think saying they came into the sec and did all that great is accurate.

as to your point about the ooc games, i agree, but then its hard to make this an sec thing as that is 95% the case for all the other power programs as well. also how can you say they have 3 legit teams and a bunch of hype? you are aware that no other conference has had more different teams win a title than them correct? that would speak to the depth of the conference.

but even if what you claimed were true, let's breakdown the other conferences. the pac-12 has usc and oregon and oregon is relatively new on the season. the big 12 has texas and ou, the big 10 has ohio st. and michigan, and the acc has miami and fsu. most of the other conferences have 1-2 nationally recognized teams and a bunch of fillers. meanwhile bama, auburn, lsu, tennessee, uf, uga, and a&m off the top of my head have won national titles. even as an sec fan i can agree that some of the hype is over the top, i hate hearing **** about 'sec speed' for example. but to deny the on field results is just hatred. call it hype, but when they match up with teams ooc they win more times than not.

anyway the thread has gotten off track...lets talk about all those beast sophomores on the list lol.

 

[Dghustla]

Again, with the SEC insecurity. All those SEC dudes ahead of Duke on that list are certified freaks.

I don't know a thing about the dude from TCU aside from hearing towards the end of the year that he was tearing it up. The one I figured most would be ****ing about is the dude from FSU. A CB who didn't start or pick off a pass is better than Duke???


Dafukouttahere

Stop with the SEC blowjobs on every post. Cooper is the only one. Bama RB or U***s DE are only ahead of him cause they are in the sec. look at dukes runs against BC where he broke and stiff armed the **** out of people to take those runs to the house.

Do you actually watch football games, or just ****-talk based on envy and insecurity?

If you actually watch football, and don't think Fowler or Yeldon were two of the ten best freshmen last year, then your opinion can be disregarded pretty easily from here on out. What about Yeldon playing in the SEC allowed him to steamroll tacklers as a true frosh?

And in no way am I saying he's better than Duke. The -absurd- idea that Duke doesn't run with power has already been dismantled here. As far as I can tell, the only thing he's lacking as a runner is elite top-end speed. Everything else is flawless.

I don't think you can realistically rank the best players in any given class 1-10. It is much easier to take the top ten, however. Duke most definitely is in that group. So are most of the others mentioned. Your butthurtedness over the SEC doesn't change the fact that it's easily the best conference. Or the fact that it has amassed a ton of talent over the past four crootin cycles.

I long for the days when we can ****talk Bammer, UF, and the rest of CFB from at atop a throne of titles and ***-beatings. But we're not back there yet. Pretending the SEC ain't the SEC won't get us back there any quicker. They're at the top. We want what they have. No sense acting like ****es or pretending it's all something it's not.

I watched the games. When I watch the SEC all I see are perpetuated myths and hype built up by years of ESPN slurping. These SEC teams don't play anyone worth a **** on the road but yet we should crown their players because they beat the players in their own conference? And every time the SEC loses a game like LSU and Florida did last year. they say "they weren't motivated, they didn't want to be there because it wasn't a championship". Cooper and Yeldon had amazing 1st round talent around them, that made things extremely easy for them to have success. I'm not saying DUKE is number #1 on that list, but he is 1 of the only players on that list who actually carried his team. And you look at the guys ahead of them. and you have a nole who didn't produce a single turnover but yet is #5 and a bunch of guys who were surrounded by talent. The list is a joke and so is your SEC slurping. Texas A&M is the prime example to dispel these SEC myths. 2 years ago they were bums who could barely beat Texas, now they are world beaters because they beat teams in the SEC. Its ironic how the 4th/5th best team in the Big12 comes in and runs shop in the "hardest division" in the college football...makes you wonder doesn't it.

First and foremost, Duke did not carry this team last year, he was a big part of our team as a true freshman who belongs on this list which he is a part of, but lets stop pretending that Morris didnt throw for crazy yards and that Dorsett didnt have a bunch of game changing plays. Second, did you bother to check where Texas A&M actually finished in the SEC, not what I call running shop, but hey dont let facts get in the way. Third, in that same example I can think of a few differences between that A&M team than the previous, the Heisman winner might be a good start. Regardless this has nothing to do with the SEC per se as much as the players on the list. Both Yeldon and Cooper beasted last year as freshmen on the MNC team, if that doesnt support their ranking I dont know what will. Also Fowler, if this kid was on our roster well you would be touting him as an AA this year just like Duke. Lastly the Duke vs Yearby thing, all you can go by is what you saw, and I saw both play against the same team in ND......

If you go back and look at the projections ppl questioned if TAMU would win more than 4 games in league play. And it's easy to say "well they had the Heisman winner". Yeah a RS-Freshman dominated the "toughest" league in college sports. Once again the fact a rs-freshman won the Heisman dispels the hype that the leagues defenses are soooo tough.

Tracy Howard is our team guess how many INts did he have last year? I'm not touting him as an AA.

DUKE didn't carry his team? Did you watch BC, VaTech, UVA? Sure Morris put up great numbers. Go back and look at Dukes numbers, in the games he didn't play well we lost plain and simple. Morris was dreadful against VaTech we something like 1-12 on 3rd downs. Duke was the leader of this team the day he stepped on campus. Being a humble kid he allows the upper classmen to be the vocal leaders.

How many yards could Duke have put up on ND running behind Bama's OL?

I dont thin Duke is #1 on this list. But the list in general is questionable and clearly bias.

 

[Dghustla]

I watched the games. When I watch the SEC all I see are perpetuated myths and hype built up by years of ESPN slurping. These SEC teams don't play anyone worth a **** on the road but yet we should crown their players because they beat the players in their own conference? And every time the SEC loses a game like LSU and Florida did last year. they say "they weren't motivated, they didn't want to be there because it wasn't a championship". Cooper and Yeldon had amazing 1st round talent around them, that made things extremely easy for them to have success. I'm not saying DUKE is number #1 on that list, but he is 1 of the only players on that list who actually carried his team. And you look at the guys ahead of them. and you have a nole who didn't produce a single turnover but yet is #5 and a bunch of guys who were surrounded by talent. The list is a joke and so is your SEC slurping. Texas A&M is the prime example to dispel these SEC myths. 2 years ago they were bums who could barely beat Texas, now they are world beaters because they beat teams in the SEC. Its ironic how the 4th/5th best team in the Big12 comes in and runs shop in the "hardest division" in the college football...makes you wonder doesn't it.

There are so many flaws with this post, I don't know where to start. Well, ****, I'll start at the start.

If you really watch the games, and still believe what you wrote, then you're a delusional hater who doesn't see things the way they really are.

It's highly ironic that you lead in with the idea that the SEC is a myth, and then you proceed to perpetuate one yourself right off the bat. The SEC doesn't play anyone worth a **** on the road? How does that make those schools different from the bulk of elite programs nationally? Please list a few other perinnial top-10 programs who consistently go out of conference to play challenging road contests. Seriously, show me. Now, while there probably aren't a ton of road matchups, the SEC does take on a solid list of OOC tets when you throw in neutral site games. MIAMI just refused one against LSU, by the way. Let's look at this team by team. Over the past five years, including bowls (in italics), and excluding home games...

Bama has played:
VT, PSU, Michigan, Clemson, ND

LSU:
Washington, Oregon, Clemson, UNC, PSU

Awburn:
Clemson (3x home/away and a neutral site game), Orygun, WVU

UGA:
Okie State, Colorado, Arizona State, Michigan State, Nebraska

Florida, obviously, is a joke (sorry killa) and you can't even begin to explain away their cowardly scheduling with a straight face unless you're brainwashed. But Florida isn't the entire conference. The other teams at the top have clearly scheduled solid competition. Again, go find me a conference that has done better.

Also, they won more of these games than they lost. This isn't Notre Dame, this isn't Ohio State. This isn't a media creation. You may hate that ESPN gets all hot for the conference, but - in reality - that doesn't make the results on the field anything less than they really are. Bama isn't in my top 5 most hated teams, but they're definitely in the top 10. That doesn't change the fact that the ND squad that they absolutely raped back in January had gone undefeated against a pretty solid schedule. It brought great joy to my heart to see ND get it's teeth kicked in like that. But we got our teeth kicked in just the same, by that same team.

The rest of your post is just pointless ****. Do you really think TAMU isn't fundamentally better than they were a few years ago? Go ask Bob Stoops what he thinks. Who gives a **** if Duke wasn't at the top of the list, or near the top? Big deal. We know how good he is. And, frankly, being on a top ten list is pretty ****ing cool. McGhee wouldn't have made that list if it were around before his second year in the program.

Denying greatness is ****made stuff. It's what Noles and Gators do. Canes just work harder to get there.

I see what you did there. You listed a bunch of bowl game matchups. Which have nothing to do with my point. The SEC does not schedule tough games on road. LSU playing Oregon in Texas is a home game for LSU. Bama playing VaTech in Atlanta is a home game for Bama. Those are as neutral as us playing ND in Chi-town.

Of all the games you mentioned less than 50% weren't bowl games. And outside of AU vs Clemson , and UGA vs Okie-St. 100% of those games were "neutral" site games. I'm not hating on anything. I just don't buy into the "dominance". When the SEC has been gifted a 2-loss title game appearance and a rematch.

OU played us home and away and if we wouldn't have slide off the abyss that would have been a tough matchup
same with OSU.

I know alot of teams and conferences have adopted the watered down method of scheduling over the last few years but my point is a majority of these "top teams" wouldn't even schedule to play Nc State or Uva. Sorry if i'm not as impressed as you are by beating AA schools by 5 scores.

My point about Texas A&M is this. for the prior 3-4 years there were 4th best in their conference (at best) with the emergence of Okie State. All we heard was how those "air raid" offenses wouldnt work in the SEC because of the defenses. "look what AU and LSU did to Oregon" is what the critics said. Now TAMU with a new coach in his first year, and a new QB is able to come in and dominate the league. Had TAMU won the big 12 no one would have given a ****. They would have said the BIG 12 wasn't that strong to begin with. My point is this the SEC is no different from every other league out there. They have 3-4 legit teams and a bunch of hype. For a league that is heralded for its defenses in the last 5 years, 3 QBs have run for over 1,000 yards and passed for at least 2,000 while putting up **** near 20 rushing TDs and 20 passing TDs.

endorsing Faux-Greatness that's what Noles and Gators do.

well a&m finished 5th in the sec, so not sure how they came in and dominated the league. but to pretend they were the same team as they were the year before as biscuit pointed out is also flawed. they faced 3 top 25 teams in the regular season and lost to 2 of them, so i don't think saying they came into the sec and did all that great is accurate.

as to your point about the ooc games, i agree, but then its hard to make this an sec thing as that is 95% the case for all the other power programs as well. also how can you say they have 3 legit teams and a bunch of hype? you are aware that no other conference has had more different teams win a title than them correct? that would speak to the depth of the conference.

but even if what you claimed were true, let's breakdown the other conferences. the pac-12 has usc and oregon and oregon is relatively new on the season. the big 12 has texas and ou, the big 10 has ohio st. and michigan, and the acc has miami and fsu. most of the other conferences have 1-2 nationally recognized teams and a bunch of fillers. meanwhile bama, auburn, lsu, tennessee, uf, uga, and a&m off the top of my head have won national titles. even as an sec fan i can agree that some of the hype is over the top, i hate hearing **** about 'sec speed' for example. but to deny the on field results is just hatred. call it hype, but when they match up with teams ooc they win more times than not.

anyway the thread has gotten off track...lets talk about all those beast sophomores on the list lol.

We are way off topic.


We will save this discussion for the conclusion of week 2 once the ACC has taken down the SEC.

 

[bobbydigius]

Dghustla, with the statement what Duke would have ran behind bama's line. That is pure hypothetical and all I know is what did happen. Added to that add our own OL is not exactly trash. Hopefully you aren't one of those posters that in another thread will be hyping or OL as one of the best in the nation in the next thread.

Honestly though, who are the questionable players on that list? Surely not cooper, yeldon, fowler and gurley? Gurley gashed a UF defense that essentially had their way with FSU's DL, that same DL that shut us down. So is it that UGAs OL is so superior also?

Look there are a couple of questionable guys on there with beckham and Darby, but the rest seem pretty good. I didn't see the kid from TCU but the first three are supreme talents.

 

[Biscuits]

TAMU beats 10-win OU squad by 28.

/SEC hype
//really still 5th best team in OU's league