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Early Returns on Mario’s ‘22 Class…

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What’s crazy is that Arroyo and RWilliams looked like good athletes to be TEs in HS. Especially Arroyo. I don’t know what happened to them when they got here
 
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Jassid82 said:
What’s crazy is that Arroyo and RWilliams looked like good athletes to be TEs in HS. Especially Arroyo. I don’t know what happened to them when they got here
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Arroyo can't stay healthy. 3 years of this.
 
Allabouttheu95 said:
Skinner not getting snaps in obvious passing downs is ridiculous. The 2 TE’s in front of him have shown NOTHING as pass catchers. Offensive staff has been horrific personnel wise
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Needs to work his ******* *** off this spring and put on 15 LBs for next year if he’s still here
 
Our classes have looked like this for 20 years. Several big wins that we beat big schools for and they don’t produce. The guys we didn’t get go elsewhere and produce. Freaking Groundhog Day.
 
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Transition classes are rarely good and Mario came pretty late in the game with an incomplete staff at signing day. Thought he did fine there all things considered. Bump year was strong and evaluations look good so far. Im a little concerned with this years class but I dont think there is much to complain about with the first two classes.

There are enough legit things to question about the Mario regime, this aint one of them.
 
Warrior808 said:
Transition classes are rarely good and Mario came pretty late in the game with an incomplete staff at signing day. Thought he did fine there all things considered. Bump year was strong and evaluations look good so far. Im a little concerned with this years class but I dont think there is much to complain about with the first two classes.

There are enough legit things to question about the Mario regime, this aint one of them.
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Yeah I’m not questioning too much in this instance, just wanted to list how they’re doing so far and see what people draw from it.

Very tough to put together a transition class, but let’s not act like he scrambled for chopped liver. He did manage to snag several top 250 players, and it’s fair to say several aren’t or haven’t lived up to expectations. Is that development? Is that just whiffing? Is it a longer process? Not sure, a tad too early to completely define.

It’s the portal that I personally have a more definitive stance on, and that stance isn’t overwhelmingly positive to date.

As a whole, i just think people are accepting mediocrity, and that’s not what we’re investing in. We’re investing to be a top 10 program again, and we need top 10-caliber players.
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
Yeah I’m not questioning too much in this instance, just wanted to list how they’re doing so far and see what people draw from it.

Very tough to put together a transition class, but let’s not act like he scrambled for chopped liver. He did manage to snag several top 250 players, and it’s fair to say several aren’t or haven’t lived up to expectations. Is that development? Is that just whiffing? Is it a longer process? Not sure, a tad too early to completely define.

It’s the portal that I personally have a more definitive stance on, and that stance isn’t overwhelmingly positive to date.

As a whole, i just think people are accepting mediocrity, and that’s not what we’re investing in. We’re investing to be a top 10 program again, and we need top 10-caliber players.
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Honest question here.
What would you consider a good hit rate on a class? I think we can agree that nobody hits 100%. There will be kids that don't work out regardless of how good the development is at that program. So where would you put the percentage? Say we are hitting at 60%...is that great, good or bad?
It's an honest question not anything behind it.
I think that this type of post you made are good and helpful but if we could figure out what percentage we need to be hitting at we could really see how the classes are doing.
Hope that made sense.
 
JayCane20 said:
Chris Graves not being able to play in this secondary is the most headscratching thing to me. Followed by Skinner who obviously can't block and his hands seem to have just disappeared once he arrived to Miami because he can't catch either.
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AUcane said:
I'm supportive of not playing guys because they suck at practice. But, to not play him bc he doesn't fit in the scheme of our offense is ludicrous to me. All I've heard about Skinner is that he's not a great blocker. Well, I guess that means we can only field TEs that are 6-6, 260 and can't move very well....which is what we have on our roster. That's the frustrating part.



TEs, bro.
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The Skinner thing makes no sense to me as well. Bozo knew what kind of prospect Skinner was when he recruited him. He knew he was getting a pass catching TE who could potentially be a huge mismatch with LBs and Safeties. Bozo didn't recruit this kid to be a 6th OL type inline TE. None of it makes sense.
 
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hoops156 said:
the lack of B smith is criminal esp when you see the lack of speed elsewhere in the O. there is speed on the roster, but the speed isnt used and barely plays.
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Chris Johnson Jr
Robbie Washington
Ray Ray Joseph
Brashard Smith
Jaleel Skinner(speedy for a TE)

With the occasional exception of Brashard Smith all of the above just sit and rot on the bench.
 
FrancisSawyer said:
The Skinner thing makes no sense to me as well. Bozo knew what kind of prospect Skinner was when he recruited him. He knew he was getting a pass catching TE who could potentially be a huge mismatch with LBs and Safeties. Bozo didn't recruit this kid to be a 6th OL type inline TE. None of it makes sense.
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Never think that bozo knows what he’s doing. Never doubt our Caveman’s incompetence
 
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Torocane said:
Honest question here.
What would you consider a good hit rate on a class? I think we can agree that nobody hits 100%. There will be kids that don't work out regardless of how good the development is at that program. So where would you put the percentage? Say we are hitting at 60%...is that great, good or bad?
It's an honest question not anything behind it.
I think that this type of post you made are good and helpful but if we could figure out what percentage we need to be hitting at we could really see how the classes are doing.
Hope that made sense.
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It’s a good question. Hit rates are tough to define because everyone has their own definition.

I think we first have to define what our expectations are for this program. If we’re content with being a Top 25 ish team and occasionally making a run into the Top 15/10,, then that’s one thing. If we want to be a perennial Top 15 team year in and out with the expectation to not only challenge for conference titles, but routinely be a part of the playoff conversation…well that’s another level. It may seem like a small difference, but it’s not.

Personally, my expectations are the latter, and I don’t accept the notion that it’ll take 4-5 years to be in that position as it’s been proven false by a myriad of programs at various levels. Turnarounds can happen within two years. I think the only elite class we’ve brought in was the ‘23 high schoolers. Both portal classes have been underwhelming, and this high school class is as well.

The other thing is hit rates vary…like Bain for example is a hit, but he’s more than that. He’s a superstar in the making. If you get 5-6 of those, they can alter your program dramatically where other lesser “hits” can still come together to form a double-digit win team. We need more superstars and less “he’s good, just not elite”.
 
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WeBallinBoyz said:
It’s a good question. Hit rates are tough to define because everyone has their own definition.

I think we first have to define what our expectations are for this program. If we’re content with being a Top 25 ish team and occasionally making a run into the Top 15/10,, then that’s one thing. If we want to be a perennial Top 15 team year in and out with the expectation to not only challenge for conference titles, but routinely be a part of the playoff conversation…well that’s another level. It may seem like a small difference, but it’s not.

Personally, my expectations are the latter, and I don’t accept the notion that it’ll take 4-5 years to be in that position as it’s been proven false by a myriad of programs at various levels. Turnarounds can happen within two years. I think the only elite class we’ve brought in was the ‘23 high schoolers. Both portal classes have been underwhelming, and this high school class is as well.

The other thing is hit rates vary…like Bain for example is a hit, but he’s more than that. He’s a superstar in the making. If you get 5-6 of those, they can alter your program dramatically where other lesser “hits” can still come together to form a double-digit win team. We need more superstars and less “he’s good, just not elite”.
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Fair enough.
I wish we could make it less subjective and more of a metric you could track.
Something like if this % of players are solid contributes and % are above average the class is a success. If you are below that number it's not. But I see the difficulty in doing it.
Shame cause it would largely not completely remove bias.
 
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