Duke Post Game Plus/Minus

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+ Nothing: This is the worst loss in program history. If you try to bring up the UVA game in 2007, just stop. This is ******* Duke we're talking about. We are a joke. When you lose to Duke in football nobody gets a gold star. I'm not completely blind to the fact that Waters and Crawford had ok games. It doesn't matter when you can't even beat Duke.

Minus

- Al Golden: 3 years in Coral Gables and he's losing to Duke. Larry Coker and Randy Shannon never lost to Duke.
Larry Coker & Randy Shannon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al Golden.

- Dorito: LOL

- Every single player on defense: Unreal.


Thoughts?


Full recap tomorrow.


Video that sums up this game:

[video=youtube;rW7WlT6OJxE]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW7WlT6OJxE[/video]

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My 2 cents:

golden is a fake, a phony, a pvssy, a stan

dorito deserves to be delivered a thrust kick to his stomach as he is fired, tonight

our front 7 should all have schollies revoked, ALL

if golden says anything negative about the offense after this one a reporter should throw a recorder at his fat fvckin face...ALL ON HIS DEFENSE

DC Hurns waters and Morris showed up...and the oline
 
Morris is still a *****. The guy is a ****** who can get a ******* 1st down because he doesn't want to get hit so he runs out of bounds short. He has done this at least 5 times.
 
I'm not sure I even blame the defensive players. When you play so passively and are always on your heels, how do you expect them to make plays? These defensive coaches are the ones still playing Cornelius, Highsmith, Gaines, etc.

You can see how Golden believes in this passive approach on defense when you watch his in game calls. Punting on 4th and short when you haven't gotten a stop in 3 weeks is pure hilarity.
 
ANYBODY who blames the offense for this just wants to blame somebody besides the obvious people. 30 points is enough to beat Duke. I dont care HOW you got the 30 points. THIS IS ALL ON DONOFRIO!
 
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I'm not sure I even blame the defensive players. When you play so passively and are always on your heels, how do you expect them to make plays? These defensive coaches are the ones still playing Cornelius, Highsmith, Gaines, etc.

You can see how Golden believes in this passive approach on defense when you watch his in game calls. Punting on 4th and short when you haven't gotten a stop in 3 weeks is pure hilarity.

This. End of story, end of discussion. Talent? **** that. They're playing these clowns over Figs, Kirby, Elder, Burns at safety, etc.
 
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+ Nothing: This is the worst loss in program history. If you try to bring up the UVA game in 2007, just stop. This is ****ing Duke we're talking about. We are a joke. When you lose to Duke in football nobody gets a gold star. I'm not completely blind to the fact that Waters and Crawford had ok games. It doesn't matter when you can't even beat Duke.

Minus

- Al Golden: 3 years in Coral Gables and he's losing to Duke. Larry Coker and Randy Shannon never lost to Duke.
Larry Coker & Randy Shannon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al Golden.

- Dorito: LOL

- Every single player on defense: Unreal.


Thoughts?


Full recap tomorrow.


Video that sums up this game:

[video=youtube;rW7WlT6OJxE]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW7WlT6OJxE[/video]

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Not to quibble because I agree on the essentials but UVA in 07 was still the worst to me. Shut out at home by UVA in the last game ever at the OB. This abortion is a solid 2nd.
 
BrianTheBeastLondon ‏@MiamiRadioBeast 1m
Herb Waters said he thinks "they don't want it bad enough" on hearing players at home tweeted during game

^So Dorsett and Duke don't want it bad enough? Jesus christ I hope that's not what he meant. ******* Beast probably misunderstood.
 
BrianTheBeastLondon ‏@MiamiRadioBeast 1m
Herb Waters said he thinks "they don't want it bad enough" on hearing players at home tweeted during game

^So Dorsett and Duke don't want it bad enough? Jesus christ I hope that's not what he meant. ****ing Beast probably misunderstood.

da ****?
 
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I actually liked most of the play calls on offense. Morris made some bone head moves, we had some drops, blah, blah, blah. Defense still gave up the underneath routes all game, add in the run plays with no tackling and that's how teams have beat our d for 4+ weeks. Donofrio has to go. Even with a good dline I don't see this D working. I think Al Golden takes us where we want to go, but right now he is failing to admit his d and best friend suck. Can't stress though how much this incoming class or recruits can help though. We need the big uglies on both sides and we are bringing more in than ever in recent memory.
 
This is not the worst loss in program history, not even the worst loss in the past 5 years.

What a ******* terrible post-game analysis. Grow a sack.
 
can we shut down the boards for a few days. nothing good will come out of the posts. all that needed to be said happened tonight
 
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Not to quibble because I agree on the essentials but UVA in 07 was still the worst to me. Shut out at home by UVA in the last game ever at the OB. This abortion is a solid 2nd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY


This is Duke.

UVA is better?

UVA was 8-2 going into that game with a few first rounders on it (Brandon Albert, Eugene Monroe, Chris Long). That game alone got John Phillips and Tom Santi drafted, surely.
 
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I actually liked most of the play calls on offense. Morris made some bone head moves, we had some drops, blah, blah, blah. Defense still gave up the underneath routes all game, add in the run plays with no tackling and that's how teams have beat our d for 4+ weeks. Donofrio has to go. Even with a good dline I don't see this D working. I think Al Golden takes us where we want to go, but right now he is failing to admit his d and best friend suck. Can't stress though how much this incoming class or recruits can help though. We need the big uglies on both sides and we are bringing more in than ever in recent memory.

Problem is the excuse next year will be that those guys are all freshman and our upperclassmen suck, even though our upperclassmen will be almost all Golden's recruits. Then we will have guys saying we need this class to develop so we have to wait until 2017 to give a fair assessment on the coaches.
 
I despise empty sets. We have no business being in empty sets. That's my take from this game. The defense is a given. I don't think there were many Canes fans who didn't know what to expect once we punted down 38-30.

The defense isn't Read and React. R&R is on a monopoly board. We are S&S -- Stand and Surrender

To steal this game we had to take full advantage of the bogus 17-7 lead, and make it 24-7. That's the same situation Georgia Tech was in against us a month ago, and they failed. Today it was our turn, and James Coley failed. Empty sets are only for premier quarterbacks who can instantly scan the field and make the correct choice. Guys like Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees make it look simple out of empty looks, and every moronic coach with a less than terrific quarterback fails to make the distinction. I've ranted about this on a Dolphin site for years. Sorry if it's been limited here but the masochism hadn't presented itself. Coley actually stole the North Carolina game by avoiding empty finesse looks in the 4th quarter, while Fisch almost certainly would have succumbed.

Every meaningful possession that failed today ended in an empty set, with the exception of 1st and goal at the 8 in the second quarter. I was going out of my mind. There were acres of ground available in that Duke defense yet we forfeited advantage by succumbing to empty idiocy. Somehow fans like it, because occasionally the empty looks produce a burst play, like the one to Waters. Big deal. Empty allows the defense to rotate forward and attack the frailty. Duke did that late second quarter when we had the ball after they score to lead 21-20. We had plenty of time yet went to empty on third down and were stuffed by a blitz up the middle.

The key possession was earlier, as I mentioned, at 17-7. You could already see the defense couldn't stop a play unless Duke imploded. We had to get 2 or 3 possessions clear and then try to hold on. James Coley somehow decided that empty was the ticket on third and short, even when we were in 4 down territory near midfield. One play barely worked, as Malcolm Lewis struggled to get the first down. When we went empty and five wide again on the next set of downs on third and short I was more furious than any point of the season. This wasn't a top 5 defense like Florida State or Virginia Tech. Line up and run a power play, or at least a play out of a power look. When you surrender all the permutations and rely on Stephen Morris making the correct read and execute perfectly out of an empty set, you are volunteering to cut your expectancy in half.

One poster started a thread ranting about the red zone offense. We ran the ball down the field at 17-14 and then resorted to sideways passes inside the 10. That was predictable, given our ongoing reliance on empty sets and the attached finesse approach. Coley overreacted to Duke Johnson's absence against this opponent and didn't properly value the need to make it a physical game and keep the opponent's offense off the field as much as possible. It should have been a basic sensible game plan. IMO we were giddy at all the open spaces compared to the two previous games and thought any plays and any approach would work. Hence the reliance on the empty set, which too often accomplishes nothing other than energizing the opponent, making them feel like the stronger tougher team. Ironically, my only hope in the second half was that Duke would switch to empty sets and/or throw the ball. They actually did on one play, before the caroomed field goal. Otherwise they weren't dense.

The 3rd and 1 stuff on Crawford was the only time we were stopped with a basic look. But even that was senseless, since we got greedy on 2nd and 1 with a deep ball.
 
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That 3rd and 1 Awsi is referring to would have been the PERFECT time for a playaction bootleg off the stretch look with a run/pass option.

It was so ******* ridiculously obvious we were running on that 3rd and 1 right after taking a playaction shot on 2nd and short. I have no problem with the 2nd down call...but you have to be creative and break tendencies.

This team is poorly coached...in every facet.
 
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