Donofrio D / AG Defense over the years

[Ernie McCracken]

Can't stand the soft zone **** with So Fla kids. Blah blah blah.

God, just shut the **** up with this bull****. You and the guy above you. What a couple of know-nothings thinking they're vince lombardi.

You know this scheme is used by teams in the NFL right? But it's not good enough for the miami hurricanes? GTFOH.

I'm tired tired tired of these retards who think it's 1989 and that you just line up four, tell them to meet me at the QB, and play only man press behind them. Bull****. That **** gets eaten alive nowadays. Or did you forget about the Randy Shannon years?

We lost the FSU game because we couldn't stop the run. Plain and simple. If you don't see that, you need to watch the game again. Their O line dominated our D line. In other words, Porter and Renfrow and Pierre weren't cutting it.

Until we get some serious talent on the d line, our defense is what it is. Curtis Porter is the most overrated player on this site.

Maybe you could shut the **** up yourself, if you can't see the difference between wishing and having.

How many NFL teams use this scheme?

How many college teams use this scheme?

Ever consider the fact that in the NFL, you get to buy specific players and specific player types to fit your scheme?

Ever consider the fact that in college, sometimes you don't have the players you need to run your "IDEAL SCHEME?"

Give me a day, and I can come up with fifteen DC's who can do a much better job, as they'll make the most of what they have. FSU's DC could make this defense rock, because he has done so his first year with what he had, and we had 14 points as proof.

If what you're doing is really not working very well, most people would do something different. The reason our defense is better this year is because the players are a year older and they busted their *** to get bigger and stronger.

It sure as **** isn't due to Coach D's half-baked "scheme."

FSU's defense is full of first round talent. I don't think you understand just how good this FSU team we just played is. They're fully "back." This FSU team is as good as any team they had in the 90's. Bank on it.

In other words, they're better than us at nearly every position group right now. It is what it is. That's because when we were in a coaching transition and had one guy committed back in 2010, FSU pulled off two #1 recruiting classes in a row. That's showing up right now.

We're not "back" yet, we're still a year behind them. Our juniors and seniors are just not very good football players at the moment, for the most part. On defense, the only junior/senior with a future in the NFL off the top of my head is Chickillo and Perryman. That's it.

Good coaching and schemes are the ONLY reason we're 7-1 right now. I guarantee you if Jimbo Fisher or Dabo Sweeney were coaching this team right now, we'd have 3 losses. So yes, shut the **** up.

 

[sebastian91]

FSU Dline two-deep

DE - Eddie Goldman, 5 star; Demonte McAllister, 4 star senior
DT - Nile Lawrence-Stample, 3 star; Desmond Hollin, 3-star JUCO
NG - Jernigan, 5 star; Jacobbi McDaniel, 5 star senior, #1 DT recruit in 2009
DE - Mario Edwards, 5 star, #1 DE in 2012; Chris Casher, 5 star

That doesn't even include all of the 5 and 4 star talent at LB and DB. I am not a huge believer in the star system, but at some point, when you have that many highly rated players in the two deep, it's going to pay off.

Serious question, Farchie...who do we have that would even see the field on that defense? Do you think that Coach D's scheme would work any better with that lineup versus what we're putting out there?

 

[Ernie McCracken]

FSU Dline two-deep

DE - Eddie Goldman, 5 star; Demonte McAllister, 4 star senior
DT - Nile Lawrence-Stample, 3 star; Desmond Hollin, 3-star JUCO
NG - Jernigan, 5 star; Jacobbi McDaniel, 5 star senior, #1 DT recruit in 2009
DE - Mario Edwards, 5 star, #1 DE in 2012; Chris Casher, 5 star

That doesn't even include all of the 5 and 4 star talent at LB and DB. I am not a huge believer in the star system, but at some point, when you have that many highly rated players in the two deep, it's going to pay off.

Serious question, Farchie...who do we have that would even see the field on that defense? Do you think that Coach D's scheme would work any better with that lineup versus what we're putting out there?

This. And I'll add... even if you don't believe in the star system, know that we offered nearly every single one of these players and we would have taken nearly any one of them. Anyone who follows recruiting would remember that.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Let's see if I got this right.

We line up against a deep line, liberally sprinkled with five stars, but we line up nose to nose, KNOWING we will be outmanned, just so we can play to their strengths?

****. That's brilliant.

 

[UMFarArcher]

FSU Dline two-deep

DE - Eddie Goldman, 5 star; Demonte McAllister, 4 star senior
DT - Nile Lawrence-Stample, 3 star; Desmond Hollin, 3-star JUCO
NG - Jernigan, 5 star; Jacobbi McDaniel, 5 star senior, #1 DT recruit in 2009
DE - Mario Edwards, 5 star, #1 DE in 2012; Chris Casher, 5 star

That doesn't even include all of the 5 and 4 star talent at LB and DB. I am not a huge believer in the star system, but at some point, when you have that many highly rated players in the two deep, it's going to pay off.

Serious question, Farchie...who do we have that would even see the field on that defense? Do you think that Coach D's scheme would work any better with that lineup versus what we're putting out there?

That's not even the question.

We don't HAVE their lineup.

We have OUR lineup.

 

[sebastian91]

FSU Dline two-deep

DE - Eddie Goldman, 5 star; Demonte McAllister, 4 star senior
DT - Nile Lawrence-Stample, 3 star; Desmond Hollin, 3-star JUCO
NG - Jernigan, 5 star; Jacobbi McDaniel, 5 star senior, #1 DT recruit in 2009
DE - Mario Edwards, 5 star, #1 DE in 2012; Chris Casher, 5 star

That doesn't even include all of the 5 and 4 star talent at LB and DB. I am not a huge believer in the star system, but at some point, when you have that many highly rated players in the two deep, it's going to pay off.

Serious question, Farchie...who do we have that would even see the field on that defense? Do you think that Coach D's scheme would work any better with that lineup versus what we're putting out there?

That's not even the question.

We don't HAVE their lineup.

We have OUR lineup.

You said: "FSU's DC could make this defense rock, because he has done so his first year with what he had, and we had 14 points as proof."

He's doing what he's doing in his first year with what he has, which is a two deep stockpiled with NFL caliber talent. Coach D doesn't have that luxury. He's doing what he's doing with two guys (and that's being generous) who 'might' show up on F$U's two deep. You think Coach D's scheme is *****, and the F$U DC is the *****. So, that is exactly the question. Would Coach D's ***** scheme work better with the talent that F$U has? Or is the scheme he's using geared toward putting his rag-tag talent in the best possible position to succeed for what he has to work with? He certainly knows a lot better than we do what the physical and mental limitations (and strengths) are of the personnel he has.

 

[Consigliere]

People want to see statistics from last year to this year, here is the midway report:

2012: GT, UNC, FSU and NCState* (3 Home Games v. 1 Road Game)

Avg Points Per Game: 31
Total Yards Per Game: 504
Passing Yards Per Game: 254
Rushing Yards Per Game: 250
Total Offensive Turnovers: 5
TOP (How Long Our Defense is on the Field): 31.8

Overall Record: 2-2

2013: GT, UNC, FSU and WF* (2 Home Games v. 2 Road Games)

Avg Points Per Game: 28.75
Total Yards Per Game: 448
Passing Yards Per Game: 272
Rushing Yards Per Game: 173
Total Offensive Turnovers: 10
TOP (How Long Our Defense is on the Field):34.2


Overall Record: 3-1

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2012 v 2013

Points Are Down: 2.25 Per Game
Total Yards Are Down: 56 Yards Per Game
Passing Yards Are Up: 18 Yards Per Game
Rushing Yards Are Down: 77 Yards Per Game
Plus we have 5 more turnovers on offense
Our defense is playing more this year: 2.4 Minutes Per Game

What does this mean? Not only are points and yards down from last year, the defense is suffering more because they are on the field longer. Due to the 10 turnovers that our offense was nice enough to give to the defense, they are playing more but still keeping the points off the board. This is only a midway report. After the next 4 ACC games we will finalize these statistics to see if the defense improved.




*We play WF and Pitt this year instead of NCState and BC*

 

[Notsince1985]

The defense is far from perfect, but we still have Highsmith, Cornelius, Green, Armbrister, Gaines and other guys, who are not "elite" talent/players starting or playing significant minutes. We have a lot of young promising players who are showing flashes but are learning on the job. Until we have an entire defense of top flight talent, and not guys whose only other D-I offer was Buffalo, I'm not really sure what to tell you. The defense is light years ahead of last year. They're not close to being perfect, but they have been good, not great. Also the offense is worse, which is putting a lot more strain on the defense. There is a lot more pressure on the defense when it knows the offense is not out there scoring 40 points a game like they did last year. If we had this offense last year we don't beat GT or NC State or Duke. If we had last year's defense this year, we don't beat UNC or Wake or GT.

I honestly cannot tell you without a shadow of a doubt if the defense will be an elite defense when we have a roster full of 3, 4 and 5 star recruits (or at least all the guys Golden as recruited), but I think they will be much better than they are today.