Does this make UM recruiting look like a joke?

So, boiling it all down, Golden thinks he is a good player at 5'10" but not at 5'9". Well, gents, might as well dig our heels in now, it is going to be a long season.

In all seriousness, I wish we had relegation. If we could have been sent down to the Sun Belt for a year after last season, and forced to participate in their ****ing TV contract and bowl tie-ins, it would have forced Golden out.
What a **** if CFB was like that. Like European soccer/football. Relegated to the mountain West, relagated again to the WAC. Where the checks get smaller and smaller. Folden would have been canned eons ago
 

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If you were to ask me for one single instance that exemplified our staff's incompetence, this would be pretty **** high up on the list.
 
Bandy deserves an offer in my opinion. If you offer Irvin, then you have to offer Bandy. It's pretty pathetic to be honest.
 
Bandy deserves an offer in my opinion. If you offer Irvin, then you have to offer Bandy. It's pretty pathetic to be honest.

Don't get the issue with this one. He deserves an offer because he's just flat out a very good player. Best corner from columbus since Brian Santos and the best prospect at the position since JR Bryant, before he transferred. Who are the better available options? You already have one player from Columbus that's fully committed to this defense, who could help recruit him. Worse case you pull a d. turner on him, which you WON'T need to. Hope he gets an offer soon..
 
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I wouldnt put it past this staff to say something like that but I'm not taking what a recruit said 100% either there's probably something else.
 
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I wish Merritt would tell Dorito, Williams and Golden to pound sand. I may have to stop by and get in his ear a bit.
 
#1 - Louisville beat our *** with "undersized" players.

#2 - Kids grow fast. If he's 5'9" today he'll be 5'10" in two weeks.

#3 - Does he play like your average 5'9" DB or does he play bigger? (ie Brent Grimes)

#4 - We pass on kids like this and they end up going somewhere else, growing, and balling out.
 
I saw this last night and it disgusted me. He's worth the offer, height be damned.

And yes I have this kid as the best CB in south florida in 2017 over Stanford Samuels III. Bandy is a pick machine.

Lmao over Samuels? Wow
 
Miami is the only ones that does this bama fsu etc all pass on smaller guys that doesnt fit how they want their position groups to look
 
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Miami acts as if redshirts don't exist.

If a kid is slightly too small but he has the type of talent that's rare, why not redshirt the kid and allow him a full year to grow?

I hate to bring up Dowels again but he's a perfect example. The best CB in South Florida last year but wasn't recruited cause he was only 5'10" 165lbs. A year later he finishes spring at a little over 5'10" 180lbs running a 4.47 laser-timed forty and led his team in PBU's and INT's during spring.

I know I beat this dead horse a lot but it's frustrating to watch kids dominate in South Florida but then go elsewhere for college because our fickle staff believes that they're an inch too short or 10 pounds too light.

WE NEED BALL PLAYERS!
 
I used to follow crootin religiously. I have hardly even sniffed around here for quite a while but someone pointed me to this thread.

This type of s*** is why I stopped. These clowns do everything possible to f*** up their relationships with SoFla. It's got to be intentional.
 
I saw this last night and it disgusted me. He's worth the offer, height be damned.

And yes I have this kid as the best CB in south florida in 2017 over Stanford Samuels III. Bandy is a pick machine.

Lmao over Samuels? Wow


You must be blind or you don't watch tape or you also must be the type who just looks at rankings and doesn't look at production and tape.


Bandy > Samuels Jr and it's not even close

The only thing Samuels has on Bandy is height and just hype machine for his name cause who his father is.


Watch the tape before making a comment with no substance.

Bandy http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3946990/highlights/189179375/v2

Samuels Jr. http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3235484/highlights/170456376/v2



Again, Bandy > Samuels Jr.

Watch tape, not recruiting sites.
 
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Not calling Samuels Jr a slouch. I think he's talented. But if you watch the two play and you say Samuels is better... You're smoking some good stuff.



Bandy should have been offered Miami for the longest time now.
 
i recently had someone very in the know in south florida that told me paul williams actually goes around bashing recruits. smh i can't wait until golden is gone
 
I saw this last night and it disgusted me. He's worth the offer, height be damned.

And yes I have this kid as the best CB in south florida in 2017 over Stanford Samuels III. Bandy is a pick machine.

Lmao over Samuels? Wow


You must be blind or you don't watch tape or you also must be the type who just looks at rankings and doesn't look at production and tape.


Bandy > Samuels Jr and it's not even close

The only thing Samuels has on Bandy is height and just hype machine for his name cause who his father is.


Watch the tape before making a comment with no substance.

Bandy http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3946990/highlights/189179375/v2

Samuels Jr. http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3235484/highlights/170456376/v2



Again, Bandy > Samuels Jr.

Watch tape, not recruiting sites.

Let's start this off with the fact that I played 7 years of organized football, have followed recruiting for 12 years, and trained my cousin for 4 years (stud WR/CB on a Miami-Dade high school playoff team a couple years back). I prefer to remain anonymous so you won't get anymore than that.

First, Bandy was gifted each one of those picks. That does not make him a "pick machine". He's a thumper, I'll give him that. But 5'9'' thumpers are a dime a dozen and NEED to have two qualities to be considered for a BCS offer: elite ability to high point the ball and burst out of his breaks. Bandy showed neither. He didn't even reach over his head for any of those picks. Ar you confident he can high point the ball over taller WR's? You might say "But, he was in position for all those picks. That counts for something." It does. But, he better be in position as a 5'9'' corner or he's virtually useless. Not a single play on the video was an inside route. Are you confident he can cover a quick slant or drag? I also didn't see him make plays in the offensive backfield. Can he blitz off the edge? Can he tackle a RB in open space? He was in position to make a tackle before the ball even got there on almost all those plays. None of what I have seen in his film shows me that he can do up against D1 WR's with even decent ball skills. There are way too many question marks there for a 5'9'' CB. The trend is taller CB's because there are more and more freak athlete WR's and DB's need to compensate for that with length.

Samuels on the other hand answers most of these questions. He's not in perfect position on all those plays but that's expected with taller CB's. Despite that, he's in much better position than Bandy for the most part. Bandy waits for a QB to lob up a duck and cheats back for the pick. There's a reason QB's are throwing to Bandy's side over and over again. How much of Samuels' plays do you see the QB even throw at him? He is smooth and quick out of his breaks. Rides the hip of his WR too. On that one play where he hesitated out of his break, he was able to recover and get an impressive strip. Samuels' tape showed him covering inside routes and tackling a RB out of the backfield (impressive break down and form tackle btw).

So, no, Bandy is not even close to Samuels' level. Not on Tim Irvin's level either. That was just laughable. Irvin is a thumper AND has elite burst. I'd love to see Bandy at one of these elite camps. I have a feeling you'd be singing a different tune.

You put way too much value on high school production. Tell me the percentage of players on All-Dade and All-Broward lists that amount to nothing in college. There's a reason why measurables get so much love from coaches and recruiting services. You have to measure up to compete and if you can't measure up you have to be elite at everything else.
 
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I saw this last night and it disgusted me. He's worth the offer, height be damned.

And yes I have this kid as the best CB in south florida in 2017 over Stanford Samuels III. Bandy is a pick machine.

Lmao over Samuels? Wow


You must be blind or you don't watch tape or you also must be the type who just looks at rankings and doesn't look at production and tape.


Bandy > Samuels Jr and it's not even close

The only thing Samuels has on Bandy is height and just hype machine for his name cause who his father is.


Watch the tape before making a comment with no substance.

Bandy http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3946990/highlights/189179375/v2

Samuels Jr. http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3235484/highlights/170456376/v2



Again, Bandy > Samuels Jr.

Watch tape, not recruiting sites.

Let's start this off with the fact that I played 7 years of organized football, have followed recruiting for 12 years, and trained my cousin for 4 years (stud WR/CB on a Miami-Dade high school playoff team a couple years back). I prefer to remain anonymous so you won't get anymore than that.

First, Bandy was gifted each one of those picks. That does not make him a "pick machine". He's a thumper, I'll give him that. But 5'9'' thumpers are a dime a dozen and NEED to have two qualities to be considered for a BCS offer: elite ability to high point the ball and burst out of his breaks. Bandy showed neither. He didn't even reach over his head for any of those picks. Ar you confident he can high point the ball over taller WR's? You might say "But, he was in position for all those picks. That counts for something." It does. But, he better be in position as a 5'9'' corner or he's virtually useless. Not a single play on the video was an inside route. Are you confident he can cover a quick slant or drag? I also didn't see him make plays in the offensive backfield. Can he blitz off the edge? Can he tackle a RB in open space? He was in position to make a tackle before the ball even got there on almost all those plays. None of what I have seen in his film shows me that he can do up against D1 WR's with even decent ball skills. There are way too many question marks there for a 5'9'' CB. The trend is taller CB's because there are more and more freak athlete WR's and DB's need to compensate for that with length.

Samuels on the other hand answers most of these questions. He's not in perfect position on all those plays but that's expected with taller CB's. Despite that, he's in much better position than Bandy for the most part. Bandy waits for a QB to lob up a duck and cheats back for the pick. There's a reason QB's are throwing to Bandy's side over and over again. How much of Samuels' plays do you see the QB even throw at him? He is smooth and quick out of his breaks. Rides the hip of his WR too. On that one play where he hesitated out of his break, he was able to recover and get an impressive strip. Samuels' tape showed him covering inside routes and tackling a RB out of the backfield (impressive break down and form tackle btw).

So, no, Bandy is not even close to Samuels' level. Not on Tim Irvin's level either. That was just laughable. Irvin is a thumper AND has elite burst. I'd love to see Bandy at one of these elite camps. I have a feeling you'd be singing a different tune.

You put way too much value on high school production. Tell me the percentage of players on All-Dade and All-Broward lists that amount to nothing in college. There's a reason why measurables get so much love from coaches and recruiting services. You have to measure up to compete and if you can't measure up you have to be elite at everything else.

I've been around football my whole life and people close to me and my family who have gone on to play in the NFL so it doesn't matter what you're saying about that to justify your reasoning.

You have a different opinion than me and I respect that.

You don't run into 8 interceptions as a sophomore in 8A football in Dade County by accident. He's a thumper and also is good in run support. And showed the ability of tackling the running back in the backfield. You can clearly see that he can win a jump ball situation near the 40 second mark. You watch the two tapes and you tell me that Samuels is better right now.... thats laughable.

Bandy not only has great closing speed to the ball. He also possess good ball skills aside from the INT's he racked up.

It's not about being all-dade or all-broward. I know theirs been countless players who have been all-county and never did squat. I don't see that case in Bandy. He's not slow and he's a violent hitter to go along with ball skills.

Bandy is flat out more productive than Samuels Jr. at this stage and I believe Bandy is the better corner as well.

Don't get me wrong. Samuels is good and has some nice tools and a high ceiling IMO but Bandy is better right now. Obviously that can change over time.

I'll give Samuels that he has nice size and he's a violent hitter and very good in run support but IMO he needs to show much more over the next two years to warrant that way too early 5* rating.

If camps mattered, Binjimen Victor would be a much more dominant player on friday nights.
 
Miami is the only ones that does this bama fsu etc all pass on smaller guys that doesnt fit how they want their position groups to look

Bama, FSU, etc can all do that because they are winning a lot. We suck ***. There's a transitional zone between "FSU, Bama, etc" and "we went 6-7 in the ******* ACC Coastal". To get through the transition, you need ball players, regardless of whether they fit your prototype.
 
Miami is the only ones that does this bama fsu etc all pass on smaller guys that doesnt fit how they want their position groups to look

Bama, FSU, etc can all do that because they are winning a lot. We suck ***. There's a transitional zone between "FSU, Bama, etc" and "we went 6-7 in the ****ing ACC Coastal". To get through the transition, you need ball players, regardless of whether they fit your prototype.

This, when those teams where in their low times they picked up kids like this that turned into studs
 
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