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We won't skate, we will get hit with 20-30 scholies, and we will win a national championship for the fourth consecutive decade. Accept it and move on. I know Golden has.
 
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DMoney said:
We won't skate, we will get hit with 20-30 scholies, and we will win a national championship for the fourth consecutive decade. Accept it and move on. I know Golden has.
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Wait, what? 20-30 scholies? That's massive, man.
 
LuCane said:
DMoney said:
We won't skate, we will get hit with 20-30 scholies, and we will win a national championship for the fourth consecutive decade. Accept it and move on. I know Golden has.
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Wait, what? 20-30 scholies? That's massive, man.
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Sure is. I expect it to be similar to what we got in 1995, hopefully closer to 20 than 31 because of our cooperation.

The biggest difference is that Golden has already had two years to repair the Shannon mess, including a foundational 30+ player class last year. Butch had to rebuild a program and deal with scholarship reductions simultaneously. Golden's job is already half-done.

Here is what I anticipate happens. The NOA comes out. We self-impose ten scholarships this year, five next and perhaps five in 2015. Golden has already said we sign 15 this year, so that's already set in stone. The class ends up looking like this:

Olsen, RLIII (possibly as a tailback), Jean-Louis, Kirkland, Gall, Kerr, Dobard, T. Johnson, JUCO DL, Bryant, Bostwick, Thomas, Grace, Burns and Carter.

NCAA accepts our penalties, as our cooperation has been unprecedented. So we sign that class, plus 20 in 2014 and 2015.

Very manageable and hardly a doomsday scenario. This could change for better (or likely worse) but I think this is a realistic approach.
 
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We gettin 16 schollie reductions over 3 years, 77 max schollies by year 3, and no more bowl bans. Not the best, but certainly not fatal to the program.

If we hadnt cooperated, probably be more like 3 bowl bans and 25-30 schollies.
 
The worse (which in my opinion is the postseason bans) is over...no way we get a 3rd...yeah the reductions will hurt depth but were still gonna have around 75 guys on the team...if nfl teams survive with 53 we can survive with 70-75
 
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DMoney said:
LuCane said:
DMoney said:
We won't skate, we will get hit with 20-30 scholies, and we will win a national championship for the fourth consecutive decade. Accept it and move on. I know Golden has.
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Wait, what? 20-30 scholies? That's massive, man.
Click to expand...

Sure is. I expect it to be similar to what we got in 1995, hopefully closer to 20 than 31 because of our cooperation.

The biggest difference is that Golden has already had two years to repair the Shannon mess, including a foundational 30+ player class last year. Butch had to rebuild a program and deal with scholarship reductions simultaneously. Golden's job is already half-done.

Here is what I anticipate happens. The NOA comes out. We self-impose ten scholarships this year, five next and perhaps five in 2015. Golden has already said we sign 15 this year, so that's already set in stone. The class ends up looking like this:

Olsen, RLIII (possibly as a tailback), Jean-Louis, Kirkland, Gall, Kerr, Dobard, T. Johnson, JUCO DL, Bryant, Bostwick, Thomas, Grace, Burns and Carter.

NCAA accepts our penalties, as our cooperation has been unprecedented. So we sign that class, plus 20 in 2014 and 2015.

Very manageable and hardly a doomsday scenario. This could change for better (or likely worse) but I think this is a realistic approach.
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The NCAA often imposes limitations on initial counters AND the overall limit. We couldn't sign 25 kids this year because we don't have room under the overall cap anyway. So, if we sign 15, I doubt that the NCAA will see that as a self-imposed reduction of 10.

Don't we lose about 15 seniors this year? If we are currently at 80 overall, and we lose 15 seniors, we are at 65. Signing 15 puts us at 80. If that's the case, I would think the NCAA would say that's a voluntary reduction of 5, not 10. Does that make sense?
 
Dingaan1828 said:
DMoney said:
LuCane said:
DMoney said:
We won't skate, we will get hit with 20-30 scholies, and we will win a national championship for the fourth consecutive decade. Accept it and move on. I know Golden has.
Click to expand...

Wait, what? 20-30 scholies? That's massive, man.
Click to expand...

Sure is. I expect it to be similar to what we got in 1995, hopefully closer to 20 than 31 because of our cooperation.

The biggest difference is that Golden has already had two years to repair the Shannon mess, including a foundational 30+ player class last year. Butch had to rebuild a program and deal with scholarship reductions simultaneously. Golden's job is already half-done.

Here is what I anticipate happens. The NOA comes out. We self-impose ten scholarships this year, five next and perhaps five in 2015. Golden has already said we sign 15 this year, so that's already set in stone. The class ends up looking like this:

Olsen, RLIII (possibly as a tailback), Jean-Louis, Kirkland, Gall, Kerr, Dobard, T. Johnson, JUCO DL, Bryant, Bostwick, Thomas, Grace, Burns and Carter.

NCAA accepts our penalties, as our cooperation has been unprecedented. So we sign that class, plus 20 in 2014 and 2015.

Very manageable and hardly a doomsday scenario. This could change for better (or likely worse) but I think this is a realistic approach.
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The NCAA often imposes limitations on initial counters AND the overall limit. We couldn't sign 25 kids this year because we don't have room under the overall cap anyway. So, if we sign 15, I doubt that the NCAA will see that as a self-imposed reduction of 10.

Don't we lose about 15 seniors this year? If we are currently at 80 overall, and we lose 15 seniors, we are at 65. Signing 15 puts us at 80. If that's the case, I would think the NCAA would say that's a voluntary reduction of 5, not 10. Does that make sense?
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It does, but if we add a cap component (let's say 75) we still might be able to get to that through attrition.
 
DMoney said:
Dingaan1828 said:
The NCAA often imposes limitations on initial counters AND the overall limit. We couldn't sign 25 kids this year because we don't have room under the overall cap anyway. So, if we sign 15, I doubt that the NCAA will see that as a self-imposed reduction of 10.

Don't we lose about 15 seniors this year? If we are currently at 80 overall, and we lose 15 seniors, we are at 65. Signing 15 puts us at 80. If that's the case, I would think the NCAA would say that's a voluntary reduction of 5, not 10. Does that make sense?
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It does, but if we add a cap component (let's say 75) we still might be able to get to that through attrition.
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I hope it doesn't come to that. The overall is the one that worries me most. If they just take away some initial counters, we could soften the effect by working harder to retain kids who might leave under normal circumstances (assuming they are worth keeping).
 
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bathtubgin said:
No more bowl bans + 5 schollies per year over 3 years = as close to skating as we could possibly get.

No or 1 more bowl ban + scholly reduction of 6-9 per year for three years = anal rape, but with lube

anything in the 10 or more scholly reduction range over 3 years , with or without further bowl bans = a prison gang rape.
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Then we better prepare thy **** for that prison gang rape. I don't think we get anything less than 30 over 3. More than that really wouldn't surprise me. The NCAA is going to **** us. That's what they do. They are the NCAA and we are Miami. Especially if the media and others jump on them and make them look bad over this half *** extortion.
 
bigmont80 said:
bathtubgin said:
No more bowl bans + 5 schollies per year over 3 years = as close to skating as we could possibly get.

No or 1 more bowl ban + scholly reduction of 6-9 per year for three years = anal rape, but with lube

anything in the 10 or more scholly reduction range over 3 years , with or without further bowl bans = a prison gang rape.
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Then we better prepare thy **** for that prison gang rape. I don't think we get anything less than 30 over 3. More than that really wouldn't surprise me. The NCAA is going to **** us. That's what they do. They are the NCAA and we are Miami. Especially if the media and others jump on them and make them look bad over this half *** extortion.
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Spell out what you mean by 30 over 3. Are you talking about 15 signees per year for 3 years, or a limit of 75 for 3 years. It makes a big difference how they define the scholarship reductions.
 
I was going to say something like USC had received.

But D$ spelled it out with some detail and I have to agree with his prediction.

If Golden can bring in really good talent and then has a little luck in keeping key positions healthy, then UM can manage their way through this.
 
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hawaiicane said:
We gettin 16 schollie reductions over 3 years, 77 max schollies by year 3, and no more bowl bans. Not the best, but certainly not fatal to the program.

If we hadnt cooperated, probably be more like 3 bowl bans and 25-30 schollies.
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IMHO cooperating doesn't save a lot on the punishment. Maybe a few scholarships, but not a bowl ban. But it has allowed us to "take the hit" in years is really doesn't hurt us that much when it comes to the bowl bans, and has saved us both in the recruiting hit (it looks like two straight solid-to-excellent classes with sanctions looming), and in upperclassmen transferring. I still think we might see a final bowl ban, but if we do it was inevitable. Where cooperating/taking the punishment now really helps us is that our rising Juniors won't be able to leave for other programs without having to wait a year before playing. IMHO the university has handled this as well as possible post-infractions.
 
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