Define Getting Hammered?

[tsimonitis]

3 Schools that can be a case study in the past 5 years:

Ohio State received a one year bowl ban and have to play at 82 over the next three seasons.

USC received a two year bowl ban and could not exceed 75 scholarships over a 3 yr period. USC has shown that you can still recruit talent and win game while on punishment. They are losing more now because of poor coaching than talent. In comparison, UM has already take 2 years and is currently playing at 80 scholarships, you could prob count 5 more that haven't seen the field this season, and winning football game despite the lack of high end talent. Does it hurt depth? Yes. Is it impossible to overcome? No.

Penn St is another story. They received a 4 year bowl ban and have to play at 65 scholarships over the next few years. No way Miami's offensives are in the same neighborhood as PSU.

I would think "worse" case is USC. Prob a get something between OSU and USC but closer to USC. The good news is that NCAA football has so drastically changed in the past decade that a team can compete while on punishment. More and more true frosh and sophs are able to contribute and play at a high level. Parity has leveled the playing field drastically, even with a team on sanctions. Young college ready talent and top coaching can win.

 

[Shogungts]

Although USC is suffering from poor coaching, they have also started feeling the affects of the scholarship reductions and will really start feeling them next year.

I think we get hit harder than USC. Even though Bush might have gotten more money than all of our guys combined, I am guessing in the NCAA's eyes it is worse to have several players over a long period of time being rewarded than one or two players getting tons of money. It's a lot easier to miss a player or two than several dozen (at the least).

 

[bolivar]

I'm seriously thinking we get something between Penn St and SMU. This thing is taking too long. They are investigating every angle of Shapiro's claims. The sharks smell blood..

 

[jakeman1]

I don't know about more than USC. They got hit hard because they tried to f' with the NCAA. Miami has cooperated.

 

[BWCD]

Define Getting Hammered?

Instead of beer, doing Crown out of a beer bong at a Clemson tailgate years back, like this guy:
[video=youtube;qPCGMq5ONRw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qPCGMq5ONRw[/video]


OR--playing flipcup with Jager while everyone else used beer, like I did at Trailerhassee last year.

 

[RiDLer80]

Anything more than 5 schollies a year is getting hammered IMO.

It's all about the scholarships.

 

[NotoriousJJE]

ANother bowl ban would also be getting hammered IMO.

 

[Larry]

We already got hammered, IMO. Had to pass up an ACCCG...and will end up with a good number of scholarship reductions.

 

[wacane]

we'll get another bowl ban.. plus 30 scholarships over 3-4 years.. plus a ton of vacanted wins.. good thing we didnt win much

 

[RiDLer80]

we'll get another bowl ban.. plus 30 scholarships over 3-4 years.. plus a ton of vacanted wins.. good thing we didnt win much

So we get what Penn State got?

That makes sense.

 

[wacane]

This is what we got in 1995. 24 scholarships. You dont think this will be worse?


CORAL GABLES, Fla. -- For the first time in 13 years, the University of Miami will not play in a New Year's bowl. The Hurricanes' 8-3 record was good enough for an Orange Bowl bid, but the NCAA announced yesterday, after a four-year investigation, that the Hurricanes will be banned from postseason play for one year, and on three-year probation for rules violations.

Miami's punishment includes a reduction of 13 scholarships in 1996-97 and 11 in 1997-98.

The baseball, women's golf and men's tennis teams also were put on probation, and will lose scholarships.

Violations included more than $223,000 of impermissible financial aid dispensed among 141 football players and $188,000 in the three other sports as well as extra benefits totaling more than $212,000, the NCAA said.

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Miami admitted to six minor violations in its football program, but denied four more serious charges by the NCAA, including "a lack of institutional control."

"We make no excuses," university president Edward T. Foote said yesterday, upon learning of the sanctions. "All we can do is rededicate ourselves to providing an athletic program that not only is competitive on the field, but also has integrity."

A T-shirt is already on sale around campus. On the front it says "Under Construction: Pardon Our Dust." On the back, "Next Year, You'll Be Eating It."

First-year coach Butch Davis, his staff and players, tried all year to keep their minds off the troubles.

It wasn't easy. The June 12 Sports Illustrated cover read: "Why the University of Miami Should Drop Football." The Miami Herald had an investigative reporter assigned to the team the past two years who chronicled discipline problems under former coach Dennis Erickson. The reports revealed sexual misconduct, a dozen arrests, alcohol abuse, guns in the football dorm and loopholes in the drug-testing policy.

"There has been a black cloud over us the last four or five years and it is all over now," said linebacker Twan Russell.

Erickson, now coach of the Seattle Seahawks, told the Associated Press, "I obviously feel bad for the players and the people there. . . . Obviously, there was a mistake or two made there. Nothing purposely or intentional. . . ."

When it became apparent the NCAA was close to completing its investigation, school officials pleaded for swift sanctions.

"I'm delighted to get it behind us," Davis said. "Now we can be forthright with kids [recruits] when we go into their living rooms."

The Hurricanes were expected to get an Orange Bowl bid this weekend, but they'll give up the $3 million paycheck in exchange for a shot at a national title next year.

"I would be sick to my stomach if the team was 11-0 next year and couldn't go to a bowl," said offensive lineman Alan Symonette, one of five seniors on the Miami roster. "There are 23 juniors on the team. I can give up the last bowl game for the younger guys."

 

[Notsince1985]

This is what we got in 1995. 24 scholarships. You dont think this will be worse?


CORAL GABLES, Fla. -- For the first time in 13 years, the University of Miami will not play in a New Year's bowl. The Hurricanes' 8-3 record was good enough for an Orange Bowl bid, but the NCAA announced yesterday, after a four-year investigation, that the Hurricanes will be banned from postseason play for one year, and on three-year probation for rules violations.

Miami's punishment includes a reduction of 13 scholarships in 1996-97 and 11 in 1997-98.

The baseball, women's golf and men's tennis teams also were put on probation, and will lose scholarships.

Violations included more than $223,000 of impermissible financial aid dispensed among 141 football players and $188,000 in the three other sports as well as extra benefits totaling more than $212,000, the NCAA said.

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www.biggshots.com/RavensThe NCAA also found that Miami football players from 1986 to '92 were paid between $20 and $200 for touchdowns and vicious hits.

Miami admitted to six minor violations in its football program, but denied four more serious charges by the NCAA, including "a lack of institutional control."

"We make no excuses," university president Edward T. Foote said yesterday, upon learning of the sanctions. "All we can do is rededicate ourselves to providing an athletic program that not only is competitive on the field, but also has integrity."

A T-shirt is already on sale around campus. On the front it says "Under Construction: Pardon Our Dust." On the back, "Next Year, You'll Be Eating It."

First-year coach Butch Davis, his staff and players, tried all year to keep their minds off the troubles.

It wasn't easy. The June 12 Sports Illustrated cover read: "Why the University of Miami Should Drop Football." The Miami Herald had an investigative reporter assigned to the team the past two years who chronicled discipline problems under former coach Dennis Erickson. The reports revealed sexual misconduct, a dozen arrests, alcohol abuse, guns in the football dorm and loopholes in the drug-testing policy.

"There has been a black cloud over us the last four or five years and it is all over now," said linebacker Twan Russell.

Erickson, now coach of the Seattle Seahawks, told the Associated Press, "I obviously feel bad for the players and the people there. . . . Obviously, there was a mistake or two made there. Nothing purposely or intentional. . . ."

When it became apparent the NCAA was close to completing its investigation, school officials pleaded for swift sanctions.

"I'm delighted to get it behind us," Davis said. "Now we can be forthright with kids [recruits] when we go into their living rooms."

The Hurricanes were expected to get an Orange Bowl bid this weekend, but they'll give up the $3 million paycheck in exchange for a shot at a national title next year.

"I would be sick to my stomach if the team was 11-0 next year and couldn't go to a bowl," said offensive lineman Alan Symonette, one of five seniors on the Miami roster. "There are 23 juniors on the team. I can give up the last bowl game for the younger guys."

Except we went 9-3, lost to East Carolina 31-6, and went to the Carquest Auto Parts Bowl.

 

[tsimonitis]

1995 was so much worse, we stole almost a half million from the federal government.

This is what we got in 1995. 24 scholarships. You dont think this will be worse?


CORAL GABLES, Fla. -- For the first time in 13 years, the University of Miami will not play in a New Year's bowl. The Hurricanes' 8-3 record was good enough for an Orange Bowl bid, but the NCAA announced yesterday, after a four-year investigation, that the Hurricanes will be banned from postseason play for one year, and on three-year probation for rules violations.

Miami's punishment includes a reduction of 13 scholarships in 1996-97 and 11 in 1997-98.

The baseball, women's golf and men's tennis teams also were put on probation, and will lose scholarships.

Violations included more than $223,000 of impermissible financial aid dispensed among 141 football players and $188,000 in the three other sports as well as extra benefits totaling more than $212,000, the NCAA said.

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www.biggshots.com/RavensThe NCAA also found that Miami football players from 1986 to '92 were paid between $20 and $200 for touchdowns and vicious hits.

Miami admitted to six minor violations in its football program, but denied four more serious charges by the NCAA, including "a lack of institutional control."

"We make no excuses," university president Edward T. Foote said yesterday, upon learning of the sanctions. "All we can do is rededicate ourselves to providing an athletic program that not only is competitive on the field, but also has integrity."

A T-shirt is already on sale around campus. On the front it says "Under Construction: Pardon Our Dust." On the back, "Next Year, You'll Be Eating It."

First-year coach Butch Davis, his staff and players, tried all year to keep their minds off the troubles.

It wasn't easy. The June 12 Sports Illustrated cover read: "Why the University of Miami Should Drop Football." The Miami Herald had an investigative reporter assigned to the team the past two years who chronicled discipline problems under former coach Dennis Erickson. The reports revealed sexual misconduct, a dozen arrests, alcohol abuse, guns in the football dorm and loopholes in the drug-testing policy.

"There has been a black cloud over us the last four or five years and it is all over now," said linebacker Twan Russell.

Erickson, now coach of the Seattle Seahawks, told the Associated Press, "I obviously feel bad for the players and the people there. . . . Obviously, there was a mistake or two made there. Nothing purposely or intentional. . . ."

When it became apparent the NCAA was close to completing its investigation, school officials pleaded for swift sanctions.

"I'm delighted to get it behind us," Davis said. "Now we can be forthright with kids [recruits] when we go into their living rooms."

The Hurricanes were expected to get an Orange Bowl bid this weekend, but they'll give up the $3 million paycheck in exchange for a shot at a national title next year.

"I would be sick to my stomach if the team was 11-0 next year and couldn't go to a bowl," said offensive lineman Alan Symonette, one of five seniors on the Miami roster. "There are 23 juniors on the team. I can give up the last bowl game for the younger guys."

 

[DiegoCane]

I have no faith in the NCAA. It's pretty clear they want to drop the hammer and I'm sure they will. Already held us hostage for 20 months. Nothing will surprise me.

 

[NotoriousJJE]

We already got hammered, IMO. Had to pass up an ACCCG...and will end up with a good number of scholarship reductions.

The one thing I don't love about giving up a bowl this year, is that there is no guarantee that we get back there next year. FSU, VT, and UNC away are going to be tough games... We had a shot this year and think we might have hung with FSU... 2014 might be a different story. We need to be clear sailing. It could be epic.

 

[bathtubgin]

No more bowl bans + 5 schollies per year over 3 years = as close to skating as we could possibly get.

No or 1 more bowl ban + scholly reduction of 6-9 per year for three years = anal rape, but with lube

anything in the 10 or more scholly reduction range over 3 years , with or without further bowl bans = a prison gang rape.

 

[fastcane]

I just think CA recruits are way over rated and the coaching is bad. They seem to have a #1 pick at every position, it's BS. Their #'s in recruiting have had zero effect so far, it might in a year or so, but not yet. jmo

Although USC is suffering from poor coaching, they have also started feeling the affects of the scholarship reductions and will really start feeling them next year.

I think we get hit harder than USC. Even though Bush might have gotten more money than all of our guys combined, I am guessing in the NCAA's eyes it is worse to have several players over a long period of time being rewarded than one or two players getting tons of money. It's a lot easier to miss a player or two than several dozen (at the least).

 

[WhatTheHell]

Two glasses of Pino Grigio amirite ladies?!!??

 

[fastcane]

I wonder if he lived? lol

Define Getting Hammered?

Instead of beer, doing Crown out of a beer bong at a Clemson tailgate years back, like this guy:
[video=youtube;qPCGMq5ONRw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qPCGMq5ONRw[/video]


OR--playing flipcup with Jager while everyone else used beer, like I did at Trailerhassee last year.

That guy is hardcore.

 

[BWCD]

I wonder if he lived? lol

Define Getting Hammered?

Instead of beer, doing Crown out of a beer bong at a Clemson tailgate years back, like this guy:
[video=youtube;qPCGMq5ONRw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qPCGMq5ONRw[/video]


OR--playing flipcup with Jager while everyone else used beer, like I did at Trailerhassee last year.

That guy is hardcore.

Last I heard, that Hillbilly Jim-looking **** lived--but he **** sure didn't make it to the game. I believe he proceeded to the nearest truck bed he could find and passed out--never made it for kickoff nor for the final buzzer.