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JayCane20 said:
Better chance I wake up with a foot long **** than the SEC runner up being left out of the playoff.

All SEC coaches know there’s a 0.00% chance that would ever happen.

Love Lane but that is a ridiculous statement.
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BishopEli said:
It's insane but it might happen, the simple fix is the top 12 going into conference title games is the top 12, the games don't count as your record and serve only to settle the byes. Or eliminate title games because they're stupid
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Honestly it doesn't matter how you change it, there's always gonna be controversy surrounding any scenario ..... I mean we haven't even got to the first year of a 12 team playoff and you read things on how it's already broken....
It's been this way since forever and a day...
 
Atom Atlas said:
Honestly it doesn't matter how you change it, there's always gonna be controversy surrounding any scenario ..... I mean we haven't even got to the first year of a 12 team playoff and you read things on how it's already broken....
It's been this way since forever and a day...
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It's a stupid format. Go to 16 teams. Best sixteen teams get in, regardless of afilliation. If you want to incentivize it for each P4 League, cool. Conference champs get a guaranteed 1-4 seed.

Problem solved.
 
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passitback said:
It's a stupid format. Go to 16 teams. Best sixteen teams get in, regardless of afilliation. If you want to incentivize it for each P4 League, cool. Conference champs get a guaranteed 1-4 seed.

Problem solved.
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And someone will find a flaw with that too.... Believe me I'm not looking down on your point at all, just saying there will always be an opinion to make whatever scenario better...
 
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NC_Canes_11 said:
I don’t believe this at all. If Bama makes the title game against Texas (which is currently the most likely scenario) and loses, they aren’t getting in with 3 losses. Ole Miss doesn’t get in with 3 losses either.

***Assuming Texas and everybody else atop the SEC wins out (except A&M bc they play Texas) and Bama loses to Texas in SEC title.

Texas
UGA
Ole Miss
Tenn
OSU
Oregon
PSU
ACC winner
ND
B12 winner
G5
The following teams could be in before 3 loss Bama
-2 loss SMU/Miami depending on ACC title score
-Clemson if they blow out SC
-Indiana depending on OSU score (if they win they’re in and OSU is as well)
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There will be a 3 loss SEC team that gets in assuming they’re in the top four of the conference. I’m not arguing with your logic - it makes sense. I’m saying the committee doesn’t use logic. They will create whatever BS story it needs to in order to include that SEC team and to justify leaving out a team with less than three losses.
 
JayCane20 said:
If Alabama goes to the title game vs Texas and loses and has 3 losses, then doesn’t make the CFP after being considered in the 12 team field going in, I will delete my account and never post here again.
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Better put some caveats on that. Bc they will get in if somehow a couple of those top 6 SEC teams have 3 losses as well. But under no circumstance is a 3 loss team getting in over a 1 loss P4 team.
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
There will be a 3 loss SEC team that gets in assuming they’re in the top four of the conference. I’m not arguing with your logic - it makes sense. I’m saying the committee doesn’t use logic. They will create whatever BS story it needs to in order to include that SEC team and to justify leaving out a team with less than three losses.
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3 loss team isn’t getting in over a 1 loss P4 team. Whatever credibility the committee had will en gone if they do that.

They’ll just de-incentivize conference championships when that 3 loss SEC team gets left out. It’ll be like basketball.
 
The thing everyone has to remember is that your goal can't be "top 12". There is always the chance that the G5 winner AND the winner of the Big 12 are outside the top 12, taking up two spots. So to feel good about it, you need to be in the top 10. If the second SEC team comes in ranked #9 or #10 and loses, they are out.
 
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NC_Canes_11 said:
3 loss team isn’t getting in over a 1 loss P4 team. Whatever credibility the committee had will en gone if they do that.

They’ll just de-incentivize conference championships when that 3 loss SEC team gets left out. It’ll be like basketball.
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I’ll stand by what I said until proven otherwise. Everyone other than Texas has two losses right now. Texas play aTm in a couple weeks - @ aTm. If they lose that game, the SEC runner up will have three losses. 0% chance the runner up gets left out.

The second half of what you said has merit.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
Better put some caveats on that. Bc they will get in if somehow a couple of those top 6 SEC teams have 3 losses as well. But under no circumstance is a 3 loss team getting in over a 1 loss P4 team.
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I don't need caveats other than if the team is in the top 12 going into the game (or seeding in a spot that would slot them in the playoff picture before the game, if lower ranked teams lock in one of the guaranteed spots they may need to have been 10 or 11 or whatever) and that team loses to Texas in the SEC CG and has 3 losses... they will be in. I will delete my account if not. I'm that sure of it.

Don't care what else happens if its Bama, Georgia, Ole Miss, A&M, Tennessee, etc. as runner-up. They will be in the playoff with 3 losses and ranked above some or all other 2 loss teams in the SEC and 1 loss teams from other conferences.

The SEC runner up won't be penalized for losing that game.

On the other hand, if Miami goes into the ACCCG ranked 7-8 or whatever and loses, they will be penalized and fall out entirely for teams that weren't even playing on December 7. Same can be said for BYU.

They may even make sure it happens that way in tonight's rankings by dropping Miami, who didn't even play, down to 10-11-12 and saying "they didn't drop, other teams just moved up". That will guarantee only 1 ACC team gets in.

What will happen... we were 9 last week, 6 and 7 lost and we were idle - in theory, we should be 7th but they will say Alabama beating Mercer convincingly is enough to vault them ahead of Miami and Georgia beating 7 is enough to jump us. We will stay at 9. Even then, theoretically, there is no way that if we win out we should fall further because Ole Miss was also idle so they can't jump us this week and doesn't play anyone good the rest of the way. We also pounded Florida so they can't really use that game.

Tennessee also doesn't play anyone else good that could warrant a deserving to jump us. So the fix is either going to be they don't penalize Tennessee much for losing to UGA at UGA and they stay ahead of us or you go ahead and leave SMU out of the picture and just plan to drop Miami out if they lose the ACCCG for 2 loss UT or 2 loss Ole Miss. After they said teams playing in their conference championship won't be penalized in favor of teams sitting at home.
 
JayCane20 said:
I don't need caveats other than if the team is in the top 12 going into the game (or seeding in a spot that would slot them in the playoff picture before the game, if lower ranked teams lock in one of the guaranteed spots they may need to have been 10 or 11 or whatever) and that team loses to Texas in the SEC CG and has 3 losses... they will be in. I will delete my account if not. I'm that sure of it.

Don't care what else happens if its Bama, Georgia, Ole Miss, A&M, Tennessee, etc. as runner-up. They will be in the playoff with 3 losses and ranked above some or all other 2 loss teams in the SEC and 1 loss teams from other conferences.

The SEC runner up won't be penalized for losing that game.

On the other hand, if Miami goes into the ACCCG ranked 7-8 or whatever and loses, they will be penalized and fall out entirely for teams that weren't even playing on December 7. Same can be said for BYU.

They may even make sure it happens that way in tonight's rankings by dropping Miami, who didn't even play, down to 10-11-12 and saying "they didn't drop, other teams just moved up". That will guarantee only 1 ACC team gets in.

What will happen... we were 9 last week, 6 and 7 lost and we were idle - in theory, we should be 7th but they will say Alabama beating Mercer convincingly is enough to vault them ahead of Miami and Georgia beating 7 is enough to jump us. We will stay at 9. Even then, theoretically, there is no way that if we win out we should fall further because Ole Miss was also idle so they can't jump us this week and doesn't play anyone good the rest of the way. We also pounded Florida so they can't really use that game.

Tennessee also doesn't play anyone else good that could warrant a deserving to jump us. So the fix is either going to be they don't penalize Tennessee much for losing to UGA at UGA and they stay ahead of us or you go ahead and leave SMU out of the picture and just plan to drop Miami out if they lose the ACCCG for 2 loss UT or 2 loss Ole Miss. After they said teams playing in their conference championship won't be penalized in favor of teams sitting at home.
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The SEC bias has been discussed here incessantly and yet some think they won’t get preferential treatment. I can see any of the scenarios you propose happening.
 
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If you can’t beat wake, cuse, and SMU, then you weren’t doing any damage in the playoff anyway.

This playoff system is far from perfect. But the fact that we’re all complaining about it is evidence that it’s good for the sport.

Let’s be honest. If we had a pulse in the secondary, the narrative on CIS would be welcoming a 3 loss SEC team we could steamroll.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
3 loss team isn’t getting in over a 1 loss P4 team. Whatever credibility the committee had will en gone if they do that.

They’ll just de-incentivize conference championships when that 3 loss SEC team gets left out. It’ll be like basketball.
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Last year, more than a few teams got left out of the field, because unsuspecting conference champions emerged. That sucked. Big time.
 
JayCane20 said:
I don't need caveats other than if the team is in the top 12 going into the game (or seeding in a spot that would slot them in the playoff picture before the game, if lower ranked teams lock in one of the guaranteed spots they may need to have been 10 or 11 or whatever) and that team loses to Texas in the SEC CG and has 3 losses... they will be in. I will delete my account if not. I'm that sure of it.

Don't care what else happens if its Bama, Georgia, Ole Miss, A&M, Tennessee, etc. as runner-up. They will be in the playoff with 3 losses and ranked above some or all other 2 loss teams in the SEC and 1 loss teams from other conferences.

The SEC runner up won't be penalized for losing that game.

On the other hand, if Miami goes into the ACCCG ranked 7-8 or whatever and loses, they will be penalized and fall out entirely for teams that weren't even playing on December 7. Same can be said for BYU.

They may even make sure it happens that way in tonight's rankings by dropping Miami, who didn't even play, down to 10-11-12 and saying "they didn't drop, other teams just moved up". That will guarantee only 1 ACC team gets in.

What will happen... we were 9 last week, 6 and 7 lost and we were idle - in theory, we should be 7th but they will say Alabama beating Mercer convincingly is enough to vault them ahead of Miami and Georgia beating 7 is enough to jump us. We will stay at 9. Even then, theoretically, there is no way that if we win out we should fall further because Ole Miss was also idle so they can't jump us this week and doesn't play anyone good the rest of the way. We also pounded Florida so they can't really use that game.

Tennessee also doesn't play anyone else good that could warrant a deserving to jump us. So the fix is either going to be they don't penalize Tennessee much for losing to UGA at UGA and they stay ahead of us or you go ahead and leave SMU out of the picture and just plan to drop Miami out if they lose the ACCCG for 2 loss UT or 2 loss Ole Miss. After they said teams playing in their conference championship won't be penalized in favor of teams sitting at home.
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There are way too many variables right now to say that the SEC runner up gets in automatically. What if the runner up went in as the last at large, and then gets blown out?
 
JayCane20 said:
I don't need caveats other than if the team is in the top 12 going into the game (or seeding in a spot that would slot them in the playoff picture before the game, if lower ranked teams lock in one of the guaranteed spots they may need to have been 10 or 11 or whatever) and that team loses to Texas in the SEC CG and has 3 losses... they will be in. I will delete my account if not. I'm that sure of it.

Don't care what else happens if its Bama, Georgia, Ole Miss, A&M, Tennessee, etc. as runner-up. They will be in the playoff with 3 losses and ranked above some or all other 2 loss teams in the SEC and 1 loss teams from other conferences.

The SEC runner up won't be penalized for losing that game.

On the other hand, if Miami goes into the ACCCG ranked 7-8 or whatever and loses, they will be penalized and fall out entirely for teams that weren't even playing on December 7. Same can be said for BYU.

They may even make sure it happens that way in tonight's rankings by dropping Miami, who didn't even play, down to 10-11-12 and saying "they didn't drop, other teams just moved up". That will guarantee only 1 ACC team gets in.

What will happen... we were 9 last week, 6 and 7 lost and we were idle - in theory, we should be 7th but they will say Alabama beating Mercer convincingly is enough to vault them ahead of Miami and Georgia beating 7 is enough to jump us. We will stay at 9. Even then, theoretically, there is no way that if we win out we should fall further because Ole Miss was also idle so they can't jump us this week and doesn't play anyone good the rest of the way. We also pounded Florida so they can't really use that game.

Tennessee also doesn't play anyone else good that could warrant a deserving to jump us. So the fix is either going to be they don't penalize Tennessee much for losing to UGA at UGA and they stay ahead of us or you go ahead and leave SMU out of the picture and just plan to drop Miami out if they lose the ACCCG for 2 loss UT or 2 loss Ole Miss. After they said teams playing in their conference championship won't be penalized in favor of teams sitting at home.
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Louisville losing to a team that would likely go winless in the SEC and Cal losing and being down 16 at home late in the 4th is just more ammunition.
 
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