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College Football Business: Is This Where We’re Heading?

RozayCane said:
Very interesting!

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This isn't anything new brother. They're just now being allowed to do it and it's considered good business. Marc is good people. Lives in LA. He backed one of my nephews throughout highschool. Like some of us have been said college sports is a BIG business (pause I guess). You all laughed when I said Saudis and the uae are heavily invested in certain programs. This **** ain't no game. They're just now laying it all out for y'all to see. Eyes wide shut.
 
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PalyCane said:
Well, I still have all the macro stats in my favor and trending up. So I have to mostly disagree.

But I fly in for a couple games a year (live in LA) and agree that fans are less passionate than prior years to a degree. But I think that's our population in general. Too many add'l options of things to focus on. More choices. Means less fanaticism. That's my take though. I don't perceive NIL or portal is the cause. Not sure why it should be. Our portal QB was our team's biggest draw this year. And NIL made it happen.
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Nil didn't make that happen. While I agree with basically everything you've said, the one thing I'd say you're off on is how it all effects fans. Plusses and minuses in everything. But most fans I feel get more and more into a player throughout the years or based on results. During the days of free agency now we're less and less likely to keep a kid around throughout his college journey. The opposite side to that coin is exactly like you say. Through nil everyone gets an opportunity to an extent to replace that fan draw with someone equal or greater in value. But as a whole I think fans are miffed by the mercenary approach college sports has become. I can't blame them.
 
Brooklyndee said:
Nil didn't make that happen. While I agree with basically everything you've said, the one thing I'd say you're off on is how it all effects fans. Plusses and minuses in everything. But most fans I feel get more and more into a player throughout the years or based on results. During the days of free agency now we're less and less likely to keep a kid around throughout his college journey. The opposite side to that coin is exactly like you say. Through nil everyone gets an opportunity to an extent to replace that fan draw with someone equal or greater in value. But as a whole I think fans are miffed by the mercenary approach college sports has become. I can't blame them.
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Appreciate the response and respect the opinion. But if college fans are miffed they're voting otherwise in the form of more are watching games on TV and attending in person.

I've long been a fan of allowing players to receive open market compensation in return for the fact that they create the monetary value in college football. And I was in favor of open market compensation even at the cost of some of the downsides that critics predicted (and which have not materialized). I could not rationalize in my own mind how it was was fair and equitable that every single person in the country is allowed to monetize their skills without restriction, but this was denied for college football players from whom most of the money in the game is derived.

Open market compensation now exists as NIL and portal opportunities. In my opinion the outcome has been great and I don't see it diminishing over time. NIL and portal have spread out the talent as we both agree. And it has allowed many more programs to be more competitive. I don't see either of these two things diminishing over time. And as long as we have a more level playing field in terms of talent, resulting in more teams being competitive I think the game should continue and thrive as it did in 2024.

And the extra bonus is that it's finally fair and equitable for the players. They now have the ability to get market value for what they bring to the table, not different than you, me and everyone on this site.
 
PalyCane said:
Appreciate the response and respect the opinion. But if college fans are miffed they're voting otherwise in the form of more are watching games on TV and attending in person.

I've long been a fan of allowing players to receive open market compensation in return for the fact that they create the monetary value in college football. And I was in favor of open market compensation even at the cost of some of the downsides that critics predicted (and which have not materialized). I could not rationalize in my own mind how it was was fair and equitable that every single person in the country is allowed to monetize their skills without restriction, but this was denied for college football players from whom most of the money in the game is derived.

Open market compensation now exists as NIL and portal opportunities. In my opinion the outcome has been great and I don't see it diminishing over time. NIL and portal have spread out the talent as we both agree. And it has allowed many more programs to be more competitive. I don't see either of these two things diminishing over time. And as long as we have a more level playing field in terms of talent, resulting in more teams being competitive I think the game should continue and thrive as it did in 2024.

And the extra bonus is that it's finally fair and equitable for the players. They now have the ability to get market value for what they bring to the table, not different than you, me and everyone on this site.
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Do you have any thoughts on the portal? I don't really agree with placing restrictions on one's ability to maximize their value, but I am finding myself growing in favor of limiting transfers and portal activity.
 
Brooklyndee said:
Nil didn't make that happen. While I agree with basically everything you've said, the one thing I'd say you're off on is how it all effects fans. Plusses and minuses in everything. But most fans I feel get more and more into a player throughout the years or based on results. During the days of free agency now we're less and less likely to keep a kid around throughout his college journey. The opposite side to that coin is exactly like you say. Through nil everyone gets an opportunity to an extent to replace that fan draw with someone equal or greater in value. But as a whole I think fans are miffed by the mercenary approach college sports has become. I can't blame them.
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#MalikMurphy
 
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RozayCane said:
My fear is it’s becoming way to much like NFL.

Reason why I loved it over NFL because it was so different. The players and coaches were more hungry. The games were more exciting because of them.. now everyone rich and I’m seeing the fall off.
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I don't mind the kids getting paid and all that I actually love it(not saying you do or don't I don't know) what bothers me is that it's not a level playing field. There is no way to know who is the best team or who is deserving and that is really dumb. If they don't fix that it will fall off to some degree because it won't be that many teams and will become very very boring.
 
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Morey161 said:
I don't mind the kids getting paid and all that I actually love it(not saying you do or don't I don't know) what bothers me is that it's not a level playing field. There is no way to know who is the best team or who is deserving and that is really dumb. If they don't fix that it will fall off to some degree because it won't be that many teams and will become very very boring.
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Completely agree!
 
skydogcane6 said:
Do you have any thoughts on the portal? I don't really agree with placing restrictions on one's ability to maximize their value, but I am finding myself growing in favor of limiting transfers and portal activity.
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I think better organizing portal movement would be a positive thing; ie specific windows that don’t allow moment during the season etc would a good thing. And it wouldn’t adversely affect the players earning potential.

Probably the biggest issues lies with whether it can be imposed collectively absent a collective bargaining agreement.

But id be for it
 
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RozayCane said:
My fear is it’s becoming way to much like NFL.

Reason why I loved it over NFL because it was so different. The players and coaches were more hungry. The games were more exciting because of them.. now everyone rich and I’m seeing the fall off.
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It had to become like the NFL. Colleges had been profiting on all the benefit of the fame and talent of the athletes for decades. The players finally realized they were getting minimal gain for the billions of dollars they were bringing in. Also, they realized the risk to their future earnings potential they took by playing in bowl games after leaving plenty of film for NFL front offices to view in the regular season. The NIL case finally broke it open.

I don't view becoming like the NFL a negative necessarily, but the powers that be don't know how to make the transition. NIL and the transfer portal need rules and regulation.
 
Told my wife that college football is starting to lose its appeal to me. Do I think the portal is good for college, yes and would like to see the “sit a year” rule brought back. That might curve the amount a players transfers, I mean some are on their 4-5 school in 3-4 years, that’s crazy to me. The killer is NIL, which I’m for the kids getting a cut but now we’re seeing money being poured into recruiting, I mean look at Portnoy with the Michigan qb deal he said he would give, what 2 million to the recruit towards NIL. Also, the deal between the SEC and ESPN, they’re given them millions upon millions on tv rights, and other conferences don’t get anywhere near that, so it’s not surprising that they always get the 5 stars and high 4 star players talent wise. Now you have players holding out and taking red shirts halfway through the year and entering the portal as soon as it opens. It’s just nucking futs. Course this is just my opinions.
 
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Wait until they sell to private equity firms and all they want is more money in return. Mean increase in ticket prices, concession, no more free tickets to students, no more band bc they take up seats, half time shows delaying the game and even more dumb ****. We'll probably end up being FIU fans and go to pit bull stadium. 😂😂😂
 
AtlAtty said:
NIL is a great idea in that every person should be able to benefit from their Name, Image and Likeness. Every person in America always has except for college athletes. This is nothing more than free market principles.

BUT, without any guardrails it is and will continue to go awry. Just like Wall Street does every 20 years and then congress has to set guardrails.
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If you appear in a company party picture on LinkedIn do you get compensated for that picture? If your picture appears on a company website site do you demand money? No…you work for the company and are being compensated.

It used to be you were paid through receiving an education. Nobody forced you to play college football…it was your choice.

NIL and the transfer portal have ruined college football. SEC and Big 10 have helped it along.

I spoke with an individual responsible for NIL at a major university and he said he wished he never had that position. We won’t even talk about laziness.
 
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CaneDawgCrew said:
If you appear in a company party picture on LinkedIn do you get compensated for that picture? If your picture appears on a company website site do you demand money? No…you work for the company and are being compensated.

It used to be you were paid through receiving an education. Nobody forced you to play college football…it was your choice.

NIL and the transfer portal have ruined college football. SEC and Big 10 have helped it along.

I spoke with an individual responsible for NIL at a major university and he said he wished he never had that position. We won’t even talk about laziness.
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The company is also not making money from the employee’s NIL by posting a company photo on a website. That is apples and organs relative to a person being able to seek their own NIL. On the other hand, if the company was selling t-shirts with the employee’s name on the back, yes I would fully expect the company to compensate the employee.

You are misunderstanding my position. NIL for college athletes had to happen if we are to live in a free market economy. Now we can switch economic systems, but thus far in history, feudalism and communism have not proven successful for the average person, and socialism ( the direction every economy is moving towards at a glacier like pace) is still centuries away.

But assuming we accept the free market, then college sports, like every industry, needs guard rails within the free market because, as we have learned repeatedly from Wall Street, an unchecked free market will eventually spin out of control. So maybe that is what needs to happen in college sports, after which guard rails will be erected.
 
I feel like college football has been ruined. NIL, in it's current structure is no bueno. We need to go back to having to sit out a year if you transfer.
 
AtlAtty said:
The company is also not making money from the employee’s NIL by posting a company photo on a website. That is apples and organs relative to a person being able to seek their own NIL. On the other hand, if the company was selling t-shirts with the employee’s name on the back, yes I would fully expect the company to compensate the employee.

You are misunderstanding my position. NIL for college athletes had to happen if we are to live in a free market economy. Now we can switch economic systems, but thus far in history, feudalism and communism have not proven successful for the average person, and socialism ( the direction every economy is moving towards at a glacier like pace) is still centuries away.

But assuming we accept the free market, then college sports, like every industry, needs guard rails within the free market because, as we have learned repeatedly from Wall Street, an unchecked free market will eventually spin out of control. So maybe that is what needs to happen in college sports, after which guard rails will be erected.
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Nothing had to happen. My argument is accurate nice try twisting it.

People didn’t get paid because everyone thinking about a capitalist system. You are assigning something that fits ann anrgument after the fact. They got paid because everyone said the poor athletes are getting ****ed. The big bad NCAA and colleges are ******** athletes.

Doesn’t matter the reason. Congrats to the athletes I can guarantee you that people are tuning out now and the trend will continue.

NIL is one thing but that coupled with the portal? F them will be what happens eventually.
 
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