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Memnon said:
Was there a glitch in the Matrix or something?

Why are there still people who defend Folden on here??? What are you defending???
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No one is defending him. He sucked ****, but he left a lot of talent on his way out. When Richt handed roster over to Manny 4 years later it was in far worse shape. Richt was lazy in evaluating talent, and it showed. The team that lost to FIU was 90% Richt players.
 
3FW said:
Richt doesn’t get sick, he is probably still coaching. Manny could not recruit.
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You could make the argument that Richt couldn’t either. It takes back to back **** ups on the trail to get what Miami had. From my count Richt signed 41 blue chips in 4 classes at UM, of those 41, only 10 ended up making an NFL roster.
 
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JZCane0825 said:
Anyone calling Richt a bad hire is delusional. Guy won 19 games his first two years at Miami. His biggest crime was not canning his son but he's the best coach Miami has had in over 20 years (tallest midget but still...)
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You want to see a list of supposedly great hires at the time that is horrible and makes richt at Miami look like SAban comparatively ?
 
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JZCane0825 said:
Anyone calling Richt a bad hire is delusional. Guy won 19 games his first two years at Miami. His biggest crime was not canning his son but he's the best coach Miami has had in over 20 years (tallest midget but still...)
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Nothing delusional about it. I get he’s a cane but it was a bad hire. Miami won 23 games the three years before Richt got hired. He won 1 more game a year on average than Golden’s final 3…

Also there’s no denying it, he left the roster in far worse shape than he inherited. Left Miami with the worst QB room in 15 years, worst WR room in how long? 20 years? Possibly the worst OL ever at UM, we had a 275lb true freshman playing LT.
 
MumbleRap said:
Also there’s no denying it, he left the roster in far worse shape than he inherited. Left Miami with the worst QB room in 15 years, worst WR room in how long? 20 years? Possibly the worst OL ever at UM, we had a 275lb true freshman playing LT.
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Say what you will about Mario, regardless if you think it works out or not…. He will leave the roster in 4X better shape than what he inherited. The talent he’s signed is night and day different than Richt and lisp boy.
 
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Just a thought, I think UCLA should look at Tony White as their next HC. He's an alum who has done well at several places and I think he would draw a good list of potential assistant coaches from his previous stops. My .02.
 
Brains said:
Good point lol, unless there's unknown incentives.

He's done as a head coach.
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At the P5/G5 level? Yea, I think he eventually ends up back in Northeast back at the FCS level. From his past interviews I think he really just misses that level of no frills football.
 
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MumbleRap said:
Nothing delusional about it. I get he’s a cane but it was a bad hire. Miami won 23 games the three years before Richt got hired. He won 1 more game a year on average than Golden’s final 3…

Also there’s no denying it, he left the roster in far worse shape than he inherited. Left Miami with the worst QB room in 15 years, worst WR room in how long? 20 years? Possibly the worst OL ever at UM, we had a 275lb true freshman playing LT.
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Al Folden won 9 games twice in his entire career, he was sub .500 at Temple, finished 17-18 in ACC conference play & never made a Bowl game in his entire career as a HC.

Mark Richt was 145-51 at UGA & 29-7 in his first 2 seasons at Miami. He had one bad season in 2018 when he suffered serious health problems & was forced to retire due to nearly dying from a heart attack.

Yes, his recruiting was really bad. But lets stop trying to make it seem like Al Folden was anything other than a Sh*tty Corch, because that's ALL he was.

The roster & recruiting accolades whatever they were meant absolutely NOTHING because he did absolutely NOTHING with them during his 5 year tenure at Miami, which ended in infamy & embarrassment.
 
Memnon said:
Al Folden won 9 games twice in his entire career, he was sub .500 at Temple, finished 17-18 in ACC conference play & never made a Bowl game in his entire career as a HC.

Mark Richt was 145-51 at UGA & 29-7 in his first 2 seasons at Miami. He had one bad season in 2018 when he suffered serious health problems & was forced to retire due to nearly dying from a heart attack.

Yes, his recruiting was really bad. But lets stop trying to make it seem like Al Folden was anything other than a Sh*tty Corch, because that's ALL he was.

The roster & recruiting accolades whatever they were meant absolutely NOTHING because he did absolutely NOTHING with them during his 5 year tenure at Miami, which ended in infamy & embarrassment.
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Yeah but what Richt did at UGA & what Golden did at Temple mean nothing. Golden sucked, but that doesn’t mean Richt was good at UM. Why do we defend him? He left possibly the worst roster in UM history on his way out. Does that not matter?
 
MumbleRap said:
Yeah but what Richt did at UGA & what Golden did at Temple mean nothing. Golden sucked, but that doesn’t mean Richt was good at UM. Why do we defend him? He left possibly the worst roster in UM history on his way out. Does that not matter?
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That's an exaggeration, he didn't leave the worst roster in school history.

Richt's "goodness" or "badness" at Miami is subjective. But what's objective, is that in comparison to his predecessors his record was better than all of them. Richt had ONE losing season at Miami, not 2, not 3, just one. Al Folden had FOUR losing seasons at Miami, not 1, not 2, not 3, but 4.

Whether or not the condition of the roster was left in a good spot is up to the next Coach to figure out. It's their responsibility to shape & mold the roster the way they see fit & produce a winning product on the field. That's why HS recruiting & transfer portal exists. Placing a high premium on how you leave the roster for the next Coach seems to be of high value from your view, but what's more important, is winning on the field. It doesn't matter if you gather all the infinity stones & have a roster full of NFL caliber players if you can't take them on the field from September to December & win with them.

So if you wanna knock Richt for the state of the roster during his tenure go ahead, just stop trying to juxtapose it next to Folden as if he somehow dropped the ball from Folden. Folden didn't win SH*T at Miami or at any place in his career, so there's no reason to compliment him while critiquing Richt.

Whatever Richt failed at in Miami towers over anything Folden did at Miami. So if Richt is considered a bad hire, then Folden was a significantly worse hire. And the results bear that out.
 
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