Coach macho

[Torocane]

I think the biggest difference is that this staff understands the value of speed and athleticism. Our last staff over analyzed recruiting. They thought they were the smartest people in the room. That's why they would sign South Florida kids who had offers from schools like Akron. Like they thought they saw something in the kid that the other 50,853 D1 coaches who recruit down here didn't.

You can kinda see what I'm talking about in that old video of our staff in a meeting room talking about a certain recruit. And I remember one time they asked my head coach about a certain WR from South Florida (who ran a 10.2 100m) that they were looking at, and the Miami coach said that he thought the kid "ran his routes too fast."
It's like they were looking for polished football players instead of raw athletes. Well then WTF is your job then? Aren't you supposed to coach these kids up when they get to your University?

They offered a lot of kids with marginal athleticism and passed up on kids that were local studs. Local kids with offers from Oklahoma, Clemson, TCU, Ole Miss, Texas A&M, etc... Would go unrecruited by Miami but they'd turn around and sign a kid who's best offer is from FIU. So in other words you're pickier than the coaches at top-10 programs? LOL
And then you get mollywhopped by the same teams who recruited these kids.
I'll never forget James Burgess and Skai Moore a$$ raping us when we played UL/USC.

What about the video of Hurlie hyping a kid being an athlete and fat no D telling he he can't play safety. That is all I needed to see, a Cane through and through in Hurlie having to bow down as a subordinate to his "boss" who was a total clown show. Right then and there you got a glimpse of everything that was wrong with recruiting.

That's exactly what Macho was talking about. Every time that video gets brought my blood boils. The audacity of that ************ to to Hurlie what a Miami safety looks like like Hurlie didn't play the **** position when Miami was on top of the world.

The audacity to bring up a temple safety as a example while coaching at the University of Miami.

That was funny. They were comparing the recruit to the best safety they coached at Temple. While Hurlie was thinking that guy never would have sniffed the field on teams he played on.

That was terrible. The best player you coached at temple should nerver be the benchmark while coaching at UM.
That's the level they will always be...temple.

 

[Coach Macho]

Thanks macho I'm interested on your take about maxwell worship if you've seen him play or trenell troutman or some under the radar kids like the old uf safety commit Cj smith if frierson does indeed bolt. I'm hoping he doesn't but in case he does or should we even be on Nigel bethel why not go for bigger fish

Honestly bro, I'm way out of the loop now. I couldn't give you a fair assessment without seeing any of these kids play. (and I haven't)

Guys like DMoney are much more qualified to tell you about those kids.

 

[Coach Macho]

Guys like Burgess and Moore were a microcosm of our lack of understanding for South FLA athletes. They didn't recruit local dogs cause they were an inch too short or 15 pounds too light, not realizing that **** don't mean anything down here. I'll take a 5'10" CB from South FLA (Bandy) before I take a 5'10" CB from wherever else, or a 210lb Linebacker from South FLA. The amount of dog that these kids have in them negates their lack of ideal size. We're not recruiting for the NFL, we're recruiting for college football and Miami's edge has always been SPEED and DAT DOG!

It's not that they didn't offer South FLA kids, they just offered the wrong ones. Their evaluations were comical.

Terry McCray. Ryan Mayes. Danny Dillard, Nate Dortch and Larry Hope over Fabian Moreau. Braxton Berrios over Isaiah McKenzie. Not recruiting Bandy. Nigel Bethel over Juwan Dowels. Just disaster after disaster.

Didn't they want to back out of Perryman's commitment too, but Barrow wouldn't let it happen.

Yes! I forgot about that!

 

[simplycanes]

Overcomplicated is putting it lightly. Only Golden and Co. could be situated in South Florida yet go to NC to recruit a WR and Connecticut to recruit a CB.

 

[Coach Macho]

Overcomplicated is putting it lightly. Only Golden and Co. could be situated in South Florida yet go to NC to recruit a WR and Connecticut to recruit a CB.

And NYC to recruit a RB.

 

[BoxingRobes]

Its not like Randy and Coker didn't do a lot of the same **** Golden did. Ryan Shazier of recent vintage among a bone yard of other missed evaluations and poor recruiting efforts.

Golden didn't just bomb the skill guys or even bomb the South Florida talents, he and the staff just sucked as evaluators...extending the examples...recruiting Danny Dillard, having his teammate come down to visit wanting an offer, only to have Kehoe tell him no thanks remains incredibly funny. Not a SoFla kid obviously, but missing on Forrest Lamp still gets a chuckle out of considering how ****** our OL has been over the years. South Florida OG John Miller was an early starter at Louisville. Considering the number of reaches with ****** offers, the fact that these dudes weren't recruited by anyone important is pretty much a moot point.

 

[k9cane]

Its not like Randy and Coker didn't do a lot of the same **** Golden did. Ryan Shazier of recent vintage among a bone yard of other missed evaluations and poor recruiting efforts.

Golden didn't just bomb the skill guys or even bomb the South Florida talents, he and the staff just sucked as evaluators...extending the examples...recruiting Danny Dillard, having his teammate come down to visit wanting an offer, only to have Kehoe tell him no thanks remains incredibly funny. Not a SoFla kid obviously, but missing on Forrest Lamp still gets a chuckle out of considering how ****ty our OL has been over the years. South Florida OG John Miller was an early starter at Louisville. Considering the number of reaches with ****ty offers, the fact that these dudes weren't recruited by anyone important is pretty much a moot point.

Anyone remember Glen Cook being like our first verbal after the 2001 title, or was it Dave Howell? But I know both were early commitmets and I remember people in the know were up in arms. I mean, we were doomed and we didn't even know it...

 

[Dwinstitles]

Its not like Randy and Coker didn't do a lot of the same **** Golden did. Ryan Shazier of recent vintage among a bone yard of other missed evaluations and poor recruiting efforts.

Golden didn't just bomb the skill guys or even bomb the South Florida talents, he and the staff just sucked as evaluators...extending the examples...recruiting Danny Dillard, having his teammate come down to visit wanting an offer, only to have Kehoe tell him no thanks remains incredibly funny. Not a SoFla kid obviously, but missing on Forrest Lamp still gets a chuckle out of considering how ****ty our OL has been over the years. South Florida OG John Miller was an early starter at Louisville. Considering the number of reaches with ****ty offers, the fact that these dudes weren't recruited by anyone important is pretty much a moot point.

Anyone remember Glen Cook being like our first verbal after the 2001 title, or was it Dave Howell? But I know both were early commitmets and I remember people in the know were up in arms. I mean, we were doomed and we didn't even know it...

Coker Randy and Golden all were terrible

Now we got a guy who has charisma and knows that talent wins at miami it always has

 

[Ibis Wingz]

Its not like Randy and Coker didn't do a lot of the same **** Golden did. Ryan Shazier of recent vintage among a bone yard of other missed evaluations and poor recruiting efforts.

Golden didn't just bomb the skill guys or even bomb the South Florida talents, he and the staff just sucked as evaluators...extending the examples...recruiting Danny Dillard, having his teammate come down to visit wanting an offer, only to have Kehoe tell him no thanks remains incredibly funny. Not a SoFla kid obviously, but missing on Forrest Lamp still gets a chuckle out of considering how ****ty our OL has been over the years. South Florida OG John Miller was an early starter at Louisville. Considering the number of reaches with ****ty offers, the fact that these dudes weren't recruited by anyone important is pretty much a moot point.

Those former UM coRches don't have a monopoly on stupid. Melvin Gordon's HS coach (a former Syracuse player) brought Melvin to Syracuse on an unofficial visit to meet Dog Marrone the summer before his senior year, and Marrone refused to leave his office to meet Melvin on that summer day. According to Melvin's HS coach, Melvin was dying for a Syracuse offer and would have gone to Syracuse had Marrone met with him and offered him that day. Marrone realized the error of his way and offered Melvin late in the process (November or December) and Melvin went to Wisconsin.

 

[simplycanes]

Its not like Randy and Coker didn't do a lot of the same **** Golden did. Ryan Shazier of recent vintage among a bone yard of other missed evaluations and poor recruiting efforts.

Golden didn't just bomb the skill guys or even bomb the South Florida talents, he and the staff just sucked as evaluators...extending the examples...recruiting Danny Dillard, having his teammate come down to visit wanting an offer, only to have Kehoe tell him no thanks remains incredibly funny. Not a SoFla kid obviously, but missing on Forrest Lamp still gets a chuckle out of considering how ****ty our OL has been over the years. South Florida OG John Miller was an early starter at Louisville. Considering the number of reaches with ****ty offers, the fact that these dudes weren't recruited by anyone important is pretty much a moot point.

No question about it. Randy's obsession with tall CBs led him to pass on guys like Ricardo Allen and sign the likes of Carlos Armour. He also couldn't be bothered to spend a day at Miami Central, pretty sure 1/2 that team went on to the NFL.

 

[simplycanes]

Overcomplicated is putting it lightly. Only Golden and Co. could be situated in South Florida yet go to NC to recruit a WR and Connecticut to recruit a CB.

And NYC to recruit a RB.

Shhhhhheeeeetttttttt, that one was a gut punch, Coach.

 

[Plzwork4]

What about the video of Hurlie hyping a kid being an athlete and fat no D telling he he can't play safety. That is all I needed to see, a Cane through and through in Hurlie having to bow down as a subordinate to his "boss" who was a total clown show. Right then and there you got a glimpse of everything that was wrong with recruiting.

That's exactly what Macho was talking about. Every time that video gets brought my blood boils. The audacity of that ************ to to Hurlie what a Miami safety looks like like Hurlie didn't play the **** position when Miami was on top of the world.

The audacity to bring up a temple safety as a example while coaching at the University of Miami.

That was funny. They were comparing the recruit to the best safety they coached at Temple. While Hurlie was thinking that guy never would have sniffed the field on teams he played on.

You could see the disconnect on that staff.

Hurlie wanted to see athleticism. He talked about wanting to see the kid come downhill and strike, be explosive.
D'Onofrio's logic was, he may not be that fast/explosive but you know what he's good at, playing the position of Safety. And while I understand that logic, that's not how successful D1 programs recruit. Just cause a kid is good at Safety in high school doesn't mean he has the physical tools to be a good Safety in major D1 football. Sean Taylor was a **** Running Back.

That's a great example. "Sean Tayler was a **** running back."

So D'Onofrio could've potentially past up one of the greatest to ever lace em up to nab some kid with stellar fundamentals with offers from U of Delaware and Buffalo. Let it sink in...

 

[Salt]

That's exactly what Macho was talking about. Every time that video gets brought my blood boils. The audacity of that ************ to to Hurlie what a Miami safety looks like like Hurlie didn't play the **** position when Miami was on top of the world.

The audacity to bring up a temple safety as a example while coaching at the University of Miami.

That was funny. They were comparing the recruit to the best safety they coached at Temple. While Hurlie was thinking that guy never would have sniffed the field on teams he played on.

You could see the disconnect on that staff.

Hurlie wanted to see athleticism. He talked about wanting to see the kid come downhill and strike, be explosive.
D'Onofrio's logic was, he may not be that fast/explosive but you know what he's good at, playing the position of Safety. And while I understand that logic, that's not how successful D1 programs recruit. Just cause a kid is good at Safety in high school doesn't mean he has the physical tools to be a good Safety in major D1 football. Sean Taylor was a **** Running Back.

That's a great example. "Sean Tayler was a **** running back."

So D'Onofrio could've potentially past up one of the greatest to ever lace em up to nab some kid with stellar fundamentals with offers from U of Delaware and Buffalo. Let it sink in...

Not necessarily. They still might have recruited him thinking he needs to add 20-30 lbs and play lb. But they would have thought Buck Ortega to be the better prospect due to some similarity to some former hard nosed Temple player they recruited from Piscataway.

 

[DTP]

The entire philosophy of the previous staff from recruiting, to defensive scheme to game day decisions is/was best suited for an "overachiever" type of program. There are certain places where you're never going to get top level talent so you have to scheme in a way to help overcome that. Running an over-complicated defense that requires kids to know 35 different assignments on every play. Playing the bend but don't break style that gives up tons of yards but is designed to make the opponent use up a lot of clock, thus keeping scores close. Milking the clock offensively even if it's only the third quarter and you've only got a single digit lead. Settling for field goals instead of going for the knockout shot. Punishing players for "freelancing" and rewarding playing time to lesser players who "bought in" even if they should never have been on the field. That's the kind of stuff you do when you coach a crappy MAC team and you're trying to pull off an upset every week. It's the EXACT opposite of what you should be doing at Miami where, if you recruit decently, you'll almost always be more talented than your opponent every week.

I hate using the term "dog" because it gets overused almost as much as "savage" here but it's like Al and staff were purposely trying to take the "dog" out of players instead of letting them play to their natural strengths.

 

[TpaBayFlyFisher]

What about the video of Hurlie hyping a kid being an athlete and fat no D telling he he can't play safety. That is all I needed to see, a Cane through and through in Hurlie having to bow down as a subordinate to his "boss" who was a total clown show. Right then and there you got a glimpse of everything that was wrong with recruiting.

That's exactly what Macho was talking about. Every time that video gets brought my blood boils. The audacity of that ************ to to Hurlie what a Miami safety looks like like Hurlie didn't play the **** position when Miami was on top of the world.

The audacity to bring up a temple safety as a example while coaching at the University of Miami.

That was funny. They were comparing the recruit to the best safety they coached at Temple. While Hurlie was thinking that guy never would have sniffed the field on teams he played on.

You could see the disconnect on that staff.

Hurlie wanted to see athleticism. He talked about wanting to see the kid come downhill and strike, be explosive.
D'Onofrio's logic was, he may not be that fast/explosive but you know what he's good at, playing the position of Safety. And while I understand that logic, that's not how successful D1 programs recruit. Just cause a kid is good at Safety in high school doesn't mean he has the physical tools to be a good Safety in major D1 football. Sean Taylor was a **** Running Back.

And yet Corch No-D is the DC at Houston..............SMDH

 

[lauderdaleballer]

Its not like Randy and Coker didn't do a lot of the same **** Golden did. Ryan Shazier of recent vintage among a bone yard of other missed evaluations and poor recruiting efforts.

Golden didn't just bomb the skill guys or even bomb the South Florida talents, he and the staff just sucked as evaluators...extending the examples...recruiting Danny Dillard, having his teammate come down to visit wanting an offer, only to have Kehoe tell him no thanks remains incredibly funny. Not a SoFla kid obviously, but missing on Forrest Lamp still gets a chuckle out of considering how ****ty our OL has been over the years. South Florida OG John Miller was an early starter at Louisville. Considering the number of reaches with ****ty offers, the fact that these dudes weren't recruited by anyone important is pretty much a moot point.

No question about it. Randy's obsession with tall CBs led him to pass on guys like Ricardo Allen and sign the likes of Carlos Armour. He also couldn't be bothered to spend a day at Miami Central, pretty sure 1/2 that team went on to the NFL.

No half that team did not go to the nfl. Those Central squads had like 1 or 2 p5 type prospects. He screwed up not offering Freeman. I mean Freeman showed signs of being explosive as a back up to Gainer at Central. I gave RS a pass for not recruiting Freeman because in 09 he brought in 2 nfl backs, 2010 he brought in 3 4 star backs then he had Duke committed for '12. However as we all know, you don't take a break recruiting. Saban brings in 5 stars annually for example. Anyway those Central squads were good hs players but only a few tore it up. A couple years later they were producing nfl prospects like Dalvin Cook. I also think Telly Lockette; former Central coach now OSU, was beefing too. RS missed some talent but neither him or Coker was as bad as Al. Al was lucky to coach here and have kids who wanted to be canes no matter what. Yet he almost messed that up.

 

[lauderdaleballer]

The entire philosophy of the previous staff from recruiting, to defensive scheme to game day decisions is/was best suited for an "overachiever" type of program. There are certain places where you're never going to get top level talent so you have to scheme in a way to help overcome that. Running an over-complicated defense that requires kids to know 35 different assignments on every play. Playing the bend but don't break style that gives up tons of yards but is designed to make the opponent use up a lot of clock, thus keeping scores close. Milking the clock offensively even if it's only the third quarter and you've only got a single digit lead. Settling for field goals instead of going for the knockout shot. Punishing players for "freelancing" and rewarding playing time to lesser players who "bought in" even if they should never have been on the field. That's the kind of stuff you do when you coach a crappy MAC team and you're trying to pull off an upset every week. It's the EXACT opposite of what you should be doing at Miami where, if you recruit decently, you'll almost always be more talented than your opponent every week.

I hate using the term "dog" because it gets overused almost as much as "savage" here but it's like Al and staff were purposely trying to take the "dog" out of players instead of letting them play to their natural strengths.

Too be honest, the previous stagf would of striggled now if they were at Temple. The competition is better. They were at Temple at the perfect time. Facing a number of fcs programs and having the bar set so low. They weren't invited to a bowl game after winning 9 games. That means their opponents were weak. Temple is a much better program than it was with Al. Wasn't a former Temple player now coach mocking Al when he was fired? Anyway they were just simply lucky to be at Temple at that time. Houston, Navy, USF, etc would have buried Al's Temple squads.

 

[simplycanes]

Its not like Randy and Coker didn't do a lot of the same **** Golden did. Ryan Shazier of recent vintage among a bone yard of other missed evaluations and poor recruiting efforts.

Golden didn't just bomb the skill guys or even bomb the South Florida talents, he and the staff just sucked as evaluators...extending the examples...recruiting Danny Dillard, having his teammate come down to visit wanting an offer, only to have Kehoe tell him no thanks remains incredibly funny. Not a SoFla kid obviously, but missing on Forrest Lamp still gets a chuckle out of considering how ****ty our OL has been over the years. South Florida OG John Miller was an early starter at Louisville. Considering the number of reaches with ****ty offers, the fact that these dudes weren't recruited by anyone important is pretty much a moot point.

No question about it. Randy's obsession with tall CBs led him to pass on guys like Ricardo Allen and sign the likes of Carlos Armour. He also couldn't be bothered to spend a day at Miami Central, pretty sure 1/2 that team went on to the NFL.

No half that team did not go to the nfl. Those Central squads had like 1 or 2 p5 type prospects. He screwed up not offering Freeman. I mean Freeman showed signs of being explosive as a back up to Gainer at Central. I gave RS a pass for not recruiting Freeman because in 09 he brought in 2 nfl backs, 2010 he brought in 3 4 star backs then he had Duke committed for '12. However as we all know, you don't take a break recruiting. Saban brings in 5 stars annually for example. Anyway those Central squads were good hs players but only a few tore it up. A couple years later they were producing nfl prospects like Dalvin Cook. I also think Telly Lockette; former Central coach now OSU, was beefing too. RS missed some talent but neither him or Coker was as bad as Al. Al was lucky to coach here and have kids who wanted to be canes no matter what. Yet he almost messed that up.

No doubt and "half" was conjecture obviously, but one thing CMR isn't doing regardless, he isn't "turning off" pipeline schools at any point.

 

[Ibis Wingz]

Overcomplicated is putting it lightly. Only Golden and Co. could be situated in South Florida yet go to NC to recruit a WR and Connecticut to recruit a CB.

And NYC to recruit a RB.

[MENTION=1396]blackvern[/MENTION]

 

[lauderdaleballer]

Its not like Randy and Coker didn't do a lot of the same **** Golden did. Ryan Shazier of recent vintage among a bone yard of other missed evaluations and poor recruiting efforts.

Golden didn't just bomb the skill guys or even bomb the South Florida talents, he and the staff just sucked as evaluators...extending the examples...recruiting Danny Dillard, having his teammate come down to visit wanting an offer, only to have Kehoe tell him no thanks remains incredibly funny. Not a SoFla kid obviously, but missing on Forrest Lamp still gets a chuckle out of considering how ****ty our OL has been over the years. South Florida OG John Miller was an early starter at Louisville. Considering the number of reaches with ****ty offers, the fact that these dudes weren't recruited by anyone important is pretty much a moot point.

No question about it. Randy's obsession with tall CBs led him to pass on guys like Ricardo Allen and sign the likes of Carlos Armour. He also couldn't be bothered to spend a day at Miami Central, pretty sure 1/2 that team went on to the NFL.

No half that team did not go to the nfl. Those Central squads had like 1 or 2 p5 type prospects. He screwed up not offering Freeman. I mean Freeman showed signs of being explosive as a back up to Gainer at Central. I gave RS a pass for not recruiting Freeman because in 09 he brought in 2 nfl backs, 2010 he brought in 3 4 star backs then he had Duke committed for '12. However as we all know, you don't take a break recruiting. Saban brings in 5 stars annually for example. Anyway those Central squads were good hs players but only a few tore it up. A couple years later they were producing nfl prospects like Dalvin Cook. I also think Telly Lockette; former Central coach now OSU, was beefing too. RS missed some talent but neither him or Coker was as bad as Al. Al was lucky to coach here and have kids who wanted to be canes no matter what. Yet he almost messed that up.

No doubt and "half" was conjecture obviously, but one thing CMR isn't doing regardless, he isn't "turning off" pipeline schools at any point.

Yea Richt is a vereran. Coker and RS were rookies. No one should ever be novice coaching at UM. Butch was a 1st time HC but it took him 6 years. It was only a matter of time before we fell off with 2 consecutive 1st time hcs in an evolving college football landscape. As for Al, I wasn't a fan. He wasn't a good hire.