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LOL @ The Matador writing a novel over a simple violation.
Does anyone know if McDermott's mom's maiden name is Henderson? I live in Zanesville, and just wanted to know. I think I know his family back here in Ohio.
Does anyone know if McDermott's mom's maiden name is Henderson? I live in Zanesville, and just wanted to know. I think I know his family back here in Ohio.
I think you're right. There was a Johnnie Henderson from a large family of Hendersons in Zanesville, according to my research. She would be 51 years old. Further, there was a Johnnie Henderson who is fourth all-time leading rebounder for Ohio U's WBB. She played there in '79-83. Must be the same person and family.
Violation?
Are you serious? How could that be a violation? Are you familiar with the NCAA rules? Did I contact a member of the family? No.
What did I do? I researched easily and publicly available records on the internet. If you told my your name, I could use intelius or some other database and tell you what cities you've lived in, your age, and the likely names of your family members. If I wanted to pay, I could get even more. All I did was look for a Johnnie Henderson from Zanesville Ohio and found her.
I then went to the Ohio U sports site and looked at the very publicly available women's basketball media guide and skimmed through and found a Johnnie Henderson who played there in the early '80's.
You'd be surprised at how information is publicly available, the same way you could get most peoples addresses and phone numbers from a phone book. It's available for me, for you and for virtually everybody.
Since she said she played basketball at Ohio U, and this fellow said he knew of a Johnnie Henderson from Zanesville, it was easy to put this information together from very easily available records on the web. They're there for everybody.
Now, if Hurricanesohio is an alum, or a booster, and he contacts the family, that might be a violation. So, not knowing his status, he should be careful what he says and to whom.
Back in the late '80's, we had a player named Diego London. I knew the family. His father asked me for a tape of a game. I checked with our then compliance director, Doug Johnson I think his name was. I decided to tell the senior Mr. London to wait until Diego graduated. I didn't give it to them, because I lost touch, but I used to know what a violation is because I was active in the Hurricane Club and I used to come into contact with athletes' family members, especially the basketball players we had from Washington DC. Like Tim James, Brandon Scott and Jacob Morton. I also spoke to the Londons, and the family of Bukasa Kalombo, a DE we had in the late '80's. (Probably our first African player, and they were rare back then.) I only spoke to the families after the student-athletes enrolled (so it could not be construed as recruiting) and was careful never to do anything that could be remotely construed as an extra benefit.
Now, the person who should be careful, is Hurricanesohio, since he might be coming into contact with the family, and he should not engage in recruiting even indirectly, especially if he could be deemed to represent the school's interests, i.e., a booster or alum. (I'm neither). I suspect these rules and definitions are the same as they were in the late '80's, early 90's, when I was very active with the athletic department and the Hurricane Club.
Imagine typing that whole response? Ol' boy must be new to the boards
You mean my response? I did write a lengthy response for several reasons.
In case family members, especially parents, read this thread, I want them to know they are not being the subject of inordinate snooping. You never know how people might react. They might be sensitive to having personal information put in a public message board, and I would want them to know it's very public information, easily available on the web. There were some messages following the article in the Herald about Alex Figueroa, and the kid's father actually posted. So, parents do read message boards.
Secondly, I read all the time about former players, other alums, etc., talking to recruits, etc. Now those might be violations. People were talking up Ray Lewis visiting with his son during a big recruiting weekend. That would worry me, since he IS an alum, and under the rules, as I knew them in the late '80's, alums were not supposed to be contacting recruits. I don't know what the rule is if the alum is also a parent of what they call a "prospective student-athlete," the older Ray Lewis would be. The NCAA probably wouldn't care unless the father who was the alum went crazy doing all kind of recruiting during a visit weekend.
I used to read the NCAA News and I used to see all kinds of self-reporting for even the most minor improper recruiting contacts. That usually happened with smaller schools when they happened to inadvertently be in the same place as a recruit.
It was not too long after I was active in the Hurricane Club that we were investigated and ended up with a very serious probation. It was probably the third probation I'd lived through as a Hurricane fan, starting in the mid-1950's when we had a top ten team and couldn't go to a bowl. We had the probation in 1981 which kept us out of a bowl, and the probation in the mid-90's. Now, we're facing another one.
Most here don't know that we had a recruiting coordinator in the early '80's who was also the same recruiting coordinator that SMU had before they got the death penalty. Now, the recruiting coordinator was not like a coach, like it is now. It was more of a glorified secretary-coordinator-scheduler. It was a woman. I knew who she was. I don't think she had anything to do with the problems at SMU or the problems later at UM. Her job was more administrative,not likely to be involved in stuff that would raise problems with the NCAA.
I don't want to see any more probations during my lifetime. I'm also a lawyer so I analyze the NCAA rules very carefully and treat them very seriously, as you can see. Like I said, no more NCAA trouble.
Imagine typing that whole response? Ol' boy must be new to the boards
You mean my response? I did write a lengthy response for several reasons.
In case family members, especially parents, read this thread, I want them to know they are not being the subject of inordinate snooping. You never know how people might react. They might be sensitive to having personal information put in a public message board, and I would want them to know it's very public information, easily available on the web. There were some messages following the article in the Herald about Alex Figueroa, and the kid's father actually posted. So, parents do read message boards.
Secondly, I read all the time about former players, other alums, etc., talking to recruits, etc. Now those might be violations. People were talking up Ray Lewis visiting with his son during a big recruiting weekend. That would worry me, since he IS an alum, and under the rules, as I knew them in the late '80's, alums were not supposed to be contacting recruits. I don't know what the rule is if the alum is also a parent of what they call a "prospective student-athlete," the older Ray Lewis would be. The NCAA probably wouldn't care unless the father who was the alum went crazy doing all kind of recruiting during a visit weekend.
I used to read the NCAA News and I used to see all kinds of self-reporting for even the most minor improper recruiting contacts. That usually happened with smaller schools when they happened to inadvertently be in the same place as a recruit.
It was not too long after I was active in the Hurricane Club that we were investigated and ended up with a very serious probation. It was probably the third probation I'd lived through as a Hurricane fan, starting in the mid-1950's when we had a top ten team and couldn't go to a bowl. We had the probation in 1981 which kept us out of a bowl, and the probation in the mid-90's. Now, we're facing another one.
Most here don't know that we had a recruiting coordinator in the early '80's who was also the same recruiting coordinator that SMU had before they got the death penalty. Now, the recruiting coordinator was not like a coach, like it is now. It was more of a glorified secretary-coordinator-scheduler. It was a woman. I knew who she was. I don't think she had anything to do with the problems at SMU or the problems later at UM. Her job was more administrative,not likely to be involved in stuff that would raise problems with the NCAA.
I don't want to see any more probations during my lifetime. I'm also a lawyer so I analyze the NCAA rules very carefully and treat them very seriously, as you can see. Like I said, no more NCAA trouble.
Wow, serious lulz.
Nah, Matador goes back to Grassy days. He's good peeps but usually stayed out of the Lounge/WEZ.....sorry for having fun at your expense Matador.