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Clive Walford's blocking

Walford should stay for another year simply based off of the fact that the likely starter next year (Williams) loves to throw to the TE's.

If he stays, he'll put up big numbers. Either way, he's obviously an NFL TE...a team like Green Bay would love him. They always stockpile TE's.
 
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It will be tough to sneak in the first 3 rounds at TE in this draft unless he does indeed run a 4.5. (Which I doubt). I think he will test out at around 4.68-4.72. Which is good enough. I also think he should stick around another year unless he goes completely ape **** the last half of the season like Daniel Graham did for Colorado back in 01'. Buddy came out of nowhere and challenged Shockey for the #1 TE spot on the NFL board. Walford can do the same. If he doesnt I say stick around. Williams will need him next year along with Sandland to be the security blanket.
 
I think it is way too early to call on him coming back for next season.

Just an FYI, through 4 games

8 Receptions, 126 Yards and 1 TD

If you put that through a season

24 for 378 and 3TDs

Unless he is guaranteed the first two rounds, why wouldn't he comeback? In 2013, 4 TEs were drafted in the first 2 rounds (Eifert, Escobar, McDonald and Ertz). 16 TEs were taken overall, 6 in the first 3 rounds.
 
I think the volume of tight ends that are being drafted these days is why he'd leave early. You get drafted and boom you're earning a nice paycheck. Plus, Miami is tight end U. Neanderthal NFL coaches and GMs are going to look at what Graham is doing and will want to get in on the action.
 
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rokulika said:
I think the volume of tight ends that are being drafted these days is why he'd leave early. You get drafted and boom you're earning a nice paycheck. Plus, Miami is tight end U. Neanderthal NFL coaches and GMs are going to look at what Graham is doing and will want to get in on the action.
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So let me understand this, the volume of TEs drafted are why he would leave early? Can we assume the same volume of TEs will be eligible in the 2014 (leaves early) or 2015 (stays for another year)?

2013 NFL Draft: Of the 16 TEs drafted last year, 10 were drafted after the third round.

2012 NFL Draft: Of the 12 TEs were drafted, 9 were drafted after the third round.

As for TE U, maybe that helps. I think it would help more if he put up 500 receiving yards and 8 TDs along with running a sub 4.65. This guy is not Graham at all. In fact, who in the NFL is Jimmy Graham? 6'7 265 LB TE with a sub 4.6 40 yard dash and a 38.5 Inch Vertical.
 
Not just Walford, but any TE that is on the field, should be a main focus. Walford, and Sandland are both fine TE's
 
This thread is a classic case of fans over-rating their own players. Walford is pedestrian IMO. Haven't seen him do a single thing yet that any of our NFL TE's did. He doesn't high-point the ball particularly well, doesn't run that well either, and his hands are inconsistent.

There's a reason we don't target our TE's that often and it's not by choice.

Just my opinion. Don't know what anybody has seen from him that says otherwise.
 
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Miami04 said:
He is really turning into a monster. I'm actually worried we are going to lose him and a few other JR's that surprise us.
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This, would love to see him get more touches in the passing game dude just moves the chains.
 
Consigliere said:
I think it is way too early to call on him coming back for next season.

Just an FYI, through 4 games

8 Receptions, 126 Yards and 1 TD

If you put that through a season

24 for 378 and 3TDs

Unless he is guaranteed the first two rounds, why wouldn't he comeback? In 2013, 4 TEs were drafted in the first 2 rounds (Eifert, Escobar, McDonald and Ertz). 16 TEs were taken overall, 6 in the first 3 rounds.
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Out of those four games, the starters have played 7 quarters.
 
whoopingcane said:
Consigliere said:
I think it is way too early to call on him coming back for next season.

Just an FYI, through 4 games

8 Receptions, 126 Yards and 1 TD

If you put that through a season

24 for 378 and 3TDs

Unless he is guaranteed the first two rounds, why wouldn't he comeback? In 2013, 4 TEs were drafted in the first 2 rounds (Eifert, Escobar, McDonald and Ertz). 16 TEs were taken overall, 6 in the first 3 rounds.
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Out of those four games, the starters have played 7 quarters.
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Very true but we know there are a lot of weapons at the QBs disposal.
 
Consigliere said:
rokulika said:
I think the volume of tight ends that are being drafted these days is why he'd leave early. You get drafted and boom you're earning a nice paycheck. Plus, Miami is tight end U. Neanderthal NFL coaches and GMs are going to look at what Graham is doing and will want to get in on the action.
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So let me understand this, the volume of TEs drafted are why he would leave early? Can we assume the same volume of TEs will be eligible in the 2014 (leaves early) or 2015 (stays for another year)?

2013 NFL Draft: Of the 16 TEs drafted last year, 10 were drafted after the third round.

2012 NFL Draft: Of the 12 TEs were drafted, 9 were drafted after the third round.

As for TE U, maybe that helps. I think it would help more if he put up 500 receiving yards and 8 TDs along with running a sub 4.65. This guy is not Graham at all. In fact, who in the NFL is Jimmy Graham? 6'7 265 LB TE with a sub 4.6 40 yard dash and a 38.5 Inch Vertical.
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If he continues to excel then he's pretty much guaranteed to get drafted so it would be a safe play by him to declare and start earning money. This will be his 4th year and it might be risky to stick around for a fifth.
 
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WildcatDefense said:
This thread is a classic case of fans over-rating their own players. Walford is pedestrian IMO. Haven't seen him do a single thing yet that any of our NFL TE's did. He doesn't high-point the ball particularly well, doesn't run that well either, and his hands are inconsistent.

There's a reason we don't target our TE's that often and it's not by choice.

Just my opinion. Don't know what anybody has seen from him that says otherwise.
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I didn't have the impression that his hands were inconsistent. You may be right about that, but what are you basing that on?
 
rokulika said:
Consigliere said:
rokulika said:
I think the volume of tight ends that are being drafted these days is why he'd leave early. You get drafted and boom you're earning a nice paycheck. Plus, Miami is tight end U. Neanderthal NFL coaches and GMs are going to look at what Graham is doing and will want to get in on the action.
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So let me understand this, the volume of TEs drafted are why he would leave early? Can we assume the same volume of TEs will be eligible in the 2014 (leaves early) or 2015 (stays for another year)?

2013 NFL Draft: Of the 16 TEs drafted last year, 10 were drafted after the third round.

2012 NFL Draft: Of the 12 TEs were drafted, 9 were drafted after the third round.

As for TE U, maybe that helps. I think it would help more if he put up 500 receiving yards and 8 TDs along with running a sub 4.65. This guy is not Graham at all. In fact, who in the NFL is Jimmy Graham? 6'7 265 LB TE with a sub 4.6 40 yard dash and a 38.5 Inch Vertical.
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If he continues to excel then he's pretty much guaranteed to get drafted so it would be a safe play by him to declare and start earning money. This will be his 4th year and it might be risky to stick around for a fifth.
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What is the safe part? He will be drafted at some point? He has seen plenty of teammates leave before they should have (eligibility left) and flop out of the league. Unless he thinks he can be drafted in the first 3 rounds (even 3rd I wouldn't go), I see no point of him leaving.

As for risk, he can insure himself for what a 4th round NFL Contract would pay out.

USC quarterback Matt Barkley, the first pick in the fourth round, should sign a four-year, $2,657,028 contract with a $497,028 signing bonus. Levine Toilolo, who is the final pick in the fourth round, should receive a four-year, $2,460,584 contract with a $300,584 signing bonus from the Atlanta Falcons.

From the fourth round through the rest of the draft, most negotiations will include discussions on tying a player’s base salary to his credited seasons. A player earns a credited season with three or more games on the 53-man roster during a season. For example, if Toilolo spends his entire rookie season on injured reserve, his 2014 base salary will be $420,000 (next year’s rookie minimum salary) instead of $495,000. His base salaries in the other years of the deal will be affected as well because of the missing credited season. Fourth round picks typically only have their second contract year’s salary tied to credited seasons. At most, two years of salaries will be tied credited seasons as the draft progresses, but it’s determined by the team’s practices.
 
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arcane said:
WildcatDefense said:
This thread is a classic case of fans over-rating their own players. Walford is pedestrian IMO. Haven't seen him do a single thing yet that any of our NFL TE's did. He doesn't high-point the ball particularly well, doesn't run that well either, and his hands are inconsistent.

There's a reason we don't target our TE's that often and it's not by choice.

Just my opinion. Don't know what anybody has seen from him that says otherwise.
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I didn't have the impression that his hands were inconsistent. You may be right about that, but what are you basing that on?
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The fact that I've seen him drop balls on plenty occasions.

I remember Graham dropping some easy balls in the VT game also, and we see how he turned out. However, I've never seen Walford do some of the other things Graham did his Senior year, like be a mis-match for defenders and high-point the football.


One of the things that makes TE's so dangerous and sought after is that they're always open even when they're covered. A guy who's over 6'4" 250lbs is extremely hard to cover due to his size and reach. Nobody covering him is anywhere near his size. When you combine those attributes with the ability to high-point the football a TE can be truly uncoverable. I've never seen Walford be THAT guy.
 
The thread started out about walford's blocking which is certainly NOT overrated and is underrated if anything. All the draft talk is a bit much. Walford hasn't proven himself to be some uber-productive weapon in terms of volume and he hasnt flashed any sort of speed/athleticism that will have NFL teams seeing him as a mismatch. I cant conceive of him leaving early. He hasn't done anything special, he's just solid and extremely valuable for his college team. Some people think everybody's going pro early.
 
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