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Class Impact: Tirek Austin-Cave to Miami

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canewave said:
Austin-Cave is too productive. I rather have a less productive player with more stars.
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That's funny but it's not about stars. It's about the potential to develop. Also I don't think that Austin- Cave are Flagg are comparable if that's what you were getting at. To me, Austin-Cave has a much higher ceiling but that's just my opinion.
 
jhtheking said:
Yes, very funny. We will suck and in 2 years you’ll finally get it. Then the next coach will do the same, you guys will blindly follow, and we’ll have this same interaction of you mocking me.
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I can confidently say that out of all the 3 stars we have committed at least 6 will be bump up to a 4 star. When that happens could u please stfu.
 
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Watch yourself nephew.

I'm not being a downer, but it isn't like this athlete as the elite top 5 schools beating a path to his door.

We keep hearing "another 3 star commits". Ed Reed was a 2 star. Got it.

Just would have thought with positive buzz, more highly touted recruits giving Miami a look.

Didn't we hear once, "we will be eagles for talent". How did it end up for that coach one fateful day in October?

In Manolo we trust. This better work.
 
Captain Uberpants said:
What will the mopes say when he gets his justified bump to 4 star?
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I'll say perhaps a move in the right direction.

AGAIN muppets, its about production on the field, stars don't necessarily equate to that.

With that said, they do somewhat correlate, not perfectly, but serves as the START of the conversation.

Right now, Manolo's conversations have been starting with, "he's a 3 star, but he'll get upgraded. Diamond in rough. Promise. Pinky swear."

I'll be the first in line to gladly admit I'm wrong.
 
Empirical Cane said:
I'll say perhaps a move in the right direction.

AGAIN muppets, its about production on the field, stars don't necessarily equate to that.

With that said, they do somewhat correlate, not perfectly, but serves as the START of the conversation.

Right now, Manolo's conversations have been starting with, "he's a 3 star, but he'll get upgraded. Diamond in rough. Promise. Pinky swear."

I'll be the first in line to gladly admit I'm wrong.
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There are 10 teams that have more 5/4 star players than we do so far this class. Ten.

There are zero Pac-10 and Big 12 teams that have more 5/4 stars than we do.

Most top 25 teams are built on 3 stars. Last year we were not even that. Our problems have far and away been coaching, not recruiting. Much more concerned about this staff's ability to succeed in that realm.
 
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ajkreider said:
There are 10 teams that have more 5/4 star players than we do so far this class. Ten.

There are zero Pac-10 and Big 12 teams that have more 5/4 stars than we do.

Most top 25 teams are built on 3 stars. Last year we were not even that. Our problems have far and away been coaching, not recruiting. Much more concerned about this staff's ability to succeed in that realm.
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Its been a long time since we have seen it, but let me reacquaint with this concept.

Miami isn't supposed to be a Top 25 team.

Miami is supposed to be the #1 team with everyone else as also rans.

TEN teams, yes TEN have more 4/5 stars than Miami. TEN. Let that sink in.

NOW, if the staff feel they have recruited absolutely the best at the position they can get, well let's go Canes.

It's ok to be concerend until Miami starts winning big games (fu[]k sake small games) consistently.

How many ACC Championship's do our Canes have again?
 
rayray said:
i don't quite get why we're taking both flagg and TAC but this kid is better
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There is absolutely no proven depth at linebacker after this upcoming season. I believe there was an article during camp stating the team doesn’t even have enough healthy scholarship linebackers for special teams.

Joyner recently moved from DE to LB, Huff and Brooks were not early enrolled so they probably don’t even know the defense yet and are unknowns at this level. Steed, Jennings, and Wilder are constantly hurt and therefore unknowns.

This team needs at least 3 linebackers in this class and at least 1 striker just to have depth in 2020.

Cave has a very high ceiling.
Flagg has a very high floor.

It makes perfect sense to take both as for the 2020 camp all the options at linebacker will almost certainly be completely unproven at the collegiate level.
 
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Empirical Cane said:
Its been a long time since we have seen it, but let me reacquaint with this concept.

Miami isn't supposed to be a Top 25 team.

Miami is supposed to be the #1 team with everyone else as also rans.

TEN teams, yes TEN have more 4/5 stars than Miami. TEN. Let that sink in.

NOW, if the staff feel they have recruited absolutely the best at the position they can get, well let's go Canes.

It's ok to be concerend until Miami starts winning big games (fu[]k sake small games) consistently.

How many ACC Championship's do our Canes have again?
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Until Miami starts playing up to its current talent level I don’t get these posts about poor recruiting. Today this program is known for having more talent than most teams it faces and going 7-6, finishing 3rd in its division. Miami got skull ****ed by Wisconsin to end the year unranked.

Miami has top 20 team talent and would appear to be 11th(?) in the blue chip ratio and outside of 2017 can’t even finish ranked. You gotta crawl before you can walk. This program has been underperforming it’s talent level for years outside of 2017 (2 years ago). If they can put some 10 win season together they can recruit better.

Until then people need to be realistic.
 
Patreek said:
Until Miami starts playing up to its current talent level I don’t get these posts about poor recruiting. Today this program is known for having more talent than most teams it faces and going 7-6, finishing 3rd in its division. Miami got skull ****ed by Wisconsin to end the year unranked.

Miami has top 20 team talent and would appear to be 11th(?) in the blue chip ratio and outside of 2017 can’t even finish ranked. You gotta crawl before you can walk. This program has been underperforming it’s talent level for years outside of 2017 (2 years ago). If they can put some 10 win season together they can recruit better.

Until then people need to be realistic.
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So you think it has been coaching/system more than actual talent on roster?

Clearly QBs haven't been developed...not that they were world beaters, but instruction/system clearly lacking.

As to the OL, I'm not convinced any of them would have started at Wake Forest...until proven otherwise.
 
Stefan Adams said:
2020 Camden (NJ) LB Tirek Austin-Cave committed to Miami during the July 4th holiday.



The 6-1 205 pounder is currently a consensus 3-star in the national rankings. According to the 247Sports Composite, Austin-Cave is the #588 player nationally, #22 ILB in the country, and the #15 player in New Jersey. His commitment moves Category20 to the #8 class ranking on 247Sports and #6 on Rivals.


The Player

Austin-Cave’s Miami recruitment lasted about 5 months, as he received his UM offer back in early February. West Virginia was considered an early leader for Austin-Cave, but Miami did a great job here identifying a prospect they liked at a position of need and quickly convincing him UM was the best place for him on his official visit, which took place last month and was his first visit to Miami. He is the first recruit UM has pulled from New Jersey since Evidence Njoku and Zach Feagles in the 2017 class. Minnesota and Syracuse were also contenders here.

Austin-Cave recorded a 4.76 in the 40, a 4.53 shuttle time, and a 33.90 inch vertical at the Opening New Jersey Regional back in April. As a junior in 2018 for Camden, he totaled a whopping 162 tackles, 18 TFL, 1 sack, 1 forced fumble, and 3 PBU's, so it’s fair to say he’s a highly productive ‘backer that plays with energy and is all over the field.

On tape, Austin-Cave is quick to shut down openings and fills gaps in the line with vigor. Shows good sideline-to-sideline speed and covers a lot of ground for the middle of a defense. Will chase a ball-carrier down from behind and demonstrates great recovery speed to prevent or minimize big plays. Stalks running back with adequate patience and shows above average technique to break his hips down and form tackle. Not easily fooled on misdirection plays and has quality eye discipline. Has an affinity for shedding blocks and I love the coordination between his hands and feet to work around blockers. Would like to see more of his coverage ability, but Austin-Cave has an incredible football IQ and is a student of the game, so I have no doubt he could improve that aspect of his game. Similar to taking Corey Flagg, Diaz is clearly going after highly productive high school linebackers with above average intelligence and Austin-Cave fits that mold to a tee.


The Class

Austin-Cave’s commitment brings the total class numbers to 21 and he is the third true linebacker commit in Category20 along with Largo (FL) 3-star AJ Mathis and North Shore (TX) 3-star Corey Flagg. Safety commitments Amite (LA) 3-star Daran Branch and South Dade (FL) 3-star Keshawn Washington have the potential to move down to striker linebacker at the next level as well. As we’ve been reporting, Miami is looking to take 4 true linebackers in this class, so there’s one spot left in the class.

Miami is pretty clearly zeroing in on two targets for that last opening. At the top of the wish-list, Miami continues to push hard for Upland (CA) 5-star Justin Flowe. Program sources indicate that the interest coming from Flowe is rising and that he is higher on the Canes than many are reporting right now. To give themselves the best possible chance to land this California stud, though, the Canes are going to have to win in 2018 to give Manny Diaz proof of concept.

Despite his commitment to Maryland, McArthur (FL) 3-star Ruben Hyppolite continues to flirt with Miami and visited campus twice just before the dead period, including for Paradise Camp. Miami is treating him like a priority right now, and Hyppolite is planning OV’s to Maryland, Penn State, Alabama, and Miami during the fall.


The Team

By the time Austin-Cave hits campus in 2020, Miami will have seven total linebackers already on the roster. However, guys like Waynmon Steed and De’Andre Wilder have been non-factors so far due to injury issues, and the rest of the returning LB’s are completely unproven. With Shaq Quaterman, Michael Pinckney, Zach McCloud, and Romeo Finley set to graduate, there will be plenty of playing time available for Austin-Cave to soak up if he proves he’s ready. The Canes are likely going to need a freshman from the 2020 class to step up and fill a role and there’s a chance that guy is Austin-Cave. That likelihood is even higher if he enrolls early for spring ball.

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Negged for mentioning Feagles
 
Patreek said:
Until Miami starts playing up to its current talent level I don’t get these posts about poor recruiting. Today this program is known for having more talent than most teams it faces and going 7-6, finishing 3rd in its division. Miami got skull ****ed by Wisconsin to end the year unranked.

Miami has top 20 team talent and would appear to be 11th(?) in the blue chip ratio and outside of 2017 can’t even finish ranked. You gotta crawl before you can walk. This program has been underperforming it’s talent level for years outside of 2017 (2 years ago). If they can put some 10 win season together they can recruit better.

Until then people need to be realistic.
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