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Class Impact: Denzel Daxon Exits

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BoxingRobes said:
Defensive Line is an arms race...and Miami is currently outmanned and doesn't have the firepower to compete with the elites. Numbers and talent are lacking.

As I said in another thread...if the Canes end up with 4-5 interior DL players, I guess I'm fine with Daxon going elsewhere. But, if we end up with some pity number like three (say Ingraham, Munoz, Holley) its an incredible fail in an important year at the position.
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horseshyt

we have one of the most talented d-lines in the country.
 
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Paranos said:
Just to recap Coach Kool the best dline coach in college football hands down for the last decade thought Denzel Daxon was take and could be coached up. But Coach Simpson feels Daxon is not worth the effort of keeping him in the class an coaching him up, yeah okay! Oh and by the way Daxon is 0 or 1 tech all day who's main job is to be able to stand up double teams an collapse the pocket, which requires being relatively quick off the ball and being hellah strong both which he is.

You don't replace a 0-Tech with a 3-Tech, so in order to take Holley's commitment who is a natural 1-tech that can play the 3-tech spot Coach Simpson had to make room. Holley is very good but I am with Coach Kool in seeing Daxon as having a higher ceiling, it would have been nice to keep both players.

Go Canes
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Kool's recruiting seemed to be take whoever happens to call him up between naps. From what has been said he did not do any recruiting before Miami, just coaching. Doubt he is doing any recruiting now either.
 
Paranos said:
Just to recap Coach Kool the best dline coach in college football hands down for the last decade thought Denzel Daxon was take and could be coached up. But Coach Simpson feels Daxon is not worth the effort of keeping him in the class an coaching him up, yeah okay! Oh and by the way Daxon is 0 or 1 tech all day who's main job is to be able to stand up double teams an collapse the pocket, which requires being relatively quick off the ball and being hellah strong both which he is.

You don't replace a 0-Tech with a 3-Tech, so in order to take Holley's commitment who is a natural 1-tech that can play the 3-tech spot Coach Simpson had to make room. Holley is very good but I am with Coach Kool in seeing Daxon as having a higher ceiling, it would have been nice to keep both players.

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Not sure why you're getting downvoted here, well, yes, I do... But, I agree with you. Dropping local pipeline players to pursue better polished out-of-state players is Coker ****. Kid has some upside, teaching him, that's the coaches job.

Our DT recruiting remains a mystery. We need quality and we need depth to compete, but also players that bring different things to the table. Walking away from Daxon at NT doesn't make sense, nor does slowing contact with 4 star prospects this early on. We need to be on the states talent like flies on **** until they officially sign somewhere else or tell us to f--- off. This up and down stuff continues to kill us.
 
For all you drive-by downvote blistered labias, I'd love to know why dropping contact with 3 and 4 stars from Florida and pursuing 3 stars from NY is a championship strategy. We've seen that story before. Every single statistic and piece of empirical eveidence is working against you. I'll hang up and listen.
 
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PanteraCanes said:
Kool's recruiting seemed to be take whoever happens to call him up between naps. From what has been said he did not do any recruiting before Miami, just coaching. Doubt he is doing any recruiting now either.
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Kuls biggest issue was being a legend in his own mind. He thought moving to UM meant the blue chippers he missed at Mizzou would fall in place for him.

He passed on guys like Jordan Scott (Oregon) and LaMonte McDougle (WVU, now WSU), both freshmen AA I believe, to pursue "big fish" and earn honorable mention at their hat ceremony.

How'd our DL look now with those two as 2nd year players in our 2 deep at 0 and 3 technique to go along with Willis, et al? THAT'S what a Miami DT rotation should look like.
 
Why was the ******* Tunsil speaking for him, btw? Wasn’t he Valentine’s handler?
 
Wish we would offer kancey, best penetrating DT in state not named Tyler Davis, know the knock is weight but that's where Big Gus comes in to play 6'1 265 now can be 6'1 290 buy the end of his first spring, not to mention adding pounds and muscle before arriving, he's a baby Nesta an Jade vouched for him already just saying...
 
CanesSince07 said:
Wish we would offer kancey, best penetrating DT in state not named Tyler Davis, know the knock is weight but that's where Big Gus comes in to play 6'1 265 now can be 6'1 290 buy the end of his first spring, not to mention adding pounds and muscle before arriving, he's a baby Nesta an Jade vouched for him already just saying...
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I’d be happy with him as the 4th DT if we miss on higher targets.
 
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skeeter said:
Oh don't get me wrong...We are going to nab Ingraham, and I like all 3. I just hope they have a real reason for this move, and if that's just Stefan's translation ok...But if he really he heard that w/regrad to Simpson and the one-trick pony...then man that's mind boggling
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I know nothing more than what I read, but when a coach tells me he's a "one-trick pony" he's no telling me that he hasn't been taught other techniques, he's telling me he doesn't have the talent/athleticism/skills necessary to perform other techniques at the level required to play here.

Every DT has a bull-rush. It's your basic instinct when you're twice as big as the guy across from him to overwhelm him with size/strength. It's when the players get big too that things change inside. Daxon ran a 4.97 Short-Shuttle, which is below average at his position. He verticaled 27.1 inches, which is solid for a man of his size.

Where he really excelled is in the Powerl Ball throw. He threw it 43 feet, which would place him over 1.5 times the standard deviation of all DT's as a Junior in high school. Simpson is saying his game is built solely on power and not enough athleticism. Hence, the "one-trick pony" designation on his bull-rush.
 
I think the first question that needs to be answered is what is Jess Simpsons "type" when it comes to DTs especially at the 1 tech position? I cant get a read on him. Seems like we are recruiting a bunch of "Nesta" types and not enough "Miller/Fords" this cycle. Which is what I thought Daxon was slated to be.

This doesn't feel like a great year for DT recruiting either. I honestly am not blown away by anyone of them as it stands now. None of them could challenge for a 2 deep spot next year. (Bethel, Ford, Nesta, Miller) I am hoping Munoz turns out to be the alpha of the group since he has the most preseason hype.
 
Lance Roffers said:
I know nothing more than what I read, but when a coach tells me he's a "one-trick pony" he's no telling me that he hasn't been taught other techniques, he's telling me he doesn't have the talent/athleticism/skills necessary to perform other techniques at the level required to play here.

Every DT has a bull-rush. It's your basic instinct when you're twice as big as the guy across from him to overwhelm him with size/strength. It's when the players get big too that things change inside. Daxon ran a 4.97 Short-Shuttle, which is below average at his position. He verticaled 27.1 inches, which is solid for a man of his size.

Where he really excelled is in the Powerl Ball throw. He threw it 43 feet, which would place him over 1.5 times the standard deviation of all DT's as a Junior in high school. Simpson is saying his game is built solely on power and not enough athleticism. Hence, the "one-trick pony" designation on his bull-rush.
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I am starting to slowly realize what your role is here buddy. LOL. You and all this standard deviation talk. That said, Terrence Cody didn't strike me as a great athlete at Bama but he turned out pretty **** good. Just a bull-rushing plug. Is there not a role for a player like that at the one tech/gap control spot?
 
Jason Blissett, on the other hand, is an athletic player. He tested at the Opening events and did everything. He ran a 5.13 at 271 pounds, had a 4.40 short-shuttle, a 37.5 Powerball throw, a 29.5" vertical jump, and had an overall 94.44 SPARQ. He tested as an 83rd percentile athlete at his position overall. That's out of 191 DT's to complete all tests and was above-average in every single event.

Gerald Willis was an 89th percentile athlete for comparison' sake.
 
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Jassid82 said:
I am starting to slowly realize what your role is here buddy. LOL. You and all this standard deviation talk.
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I hope that's a good thing.

Stinks that I haven't stood out enough to make my role more clear before now (that's a failure on my part). Previously posted for years under the name HurricaneVision.
 
Lance Roffers said:
I hope that's a good thing.

Stinks that I haven't stood out enough to make my role more clear before now (that's a failure on my part). Previously posted for years under the name HurricaneVision.
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Oh ****. Okay yeah I know your screen name now. I remember you as HurricaneVision.
 
Lance Roffers said:
Jason Blissett, on the other hand, is an athletic player. He tested at the Opening events and did everything. He ran a 5.13 at 271 pounds, had a 4.40 short-shuttle, a 37.5 Powerball throw, a 29.5" vertical jump, and had an overall 94.44 SPARQ. He tested as an 83rd percentile athlete at his position overall. That's out of 191 DT's to complete all tests and was above-average in every single event.

Gerald Willis was an 89th percentile athlete for comparison' sake.
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Fair enough analysis. What do the numbers say about what is expected out of the DT gap control position? Seems like they want tall, big, but agile guys like Ford and Miller but those don't grow on trees and are hard to find. If we can get a bull rushing, run stuffing plug even if they don't fit the ideal height then not sure why they wouldn't pull the trigger.
 
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grover said:
Why was the ******* Tunsil speaking for him, btw? Wasn’t he Valentine’s handler?
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That's his guardian ..he lives with him. And yes Valentine was his relative and lived with him as well. Roussea was his guy as well.
 
CanesSince07 said:
Wish we would offer kancey, best penetrating DT in state not named Tyler Davis, know the knock is weight but that's where Big Gus comes in to play 6'1 265 now can be 6'1 290 buy the end of his first spring, not to mention adding pounds and muscle before arriving, he's a baby Nesta an Jade vouched for him already just saying...
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Too small. I like Kancey as well but he isn't a scheme fit here...he was to small when they saw him in person
 
Simpson appeared to drop Kul's guys and re evaluated based on his liking. He also did the same with Renato Brown.

Daxon's problem is he didn't return to camp to actually show him his talents for whatever reason it may be ( possibly already knowing of being dropped). At 6'1 310-315 hes a 1 tech all the way...I personally think he has the talent to play here with the current targets we have for this class he would bring something different. Simpson appears to like dt's in the 6'2-6'4 range and closer to 280 coming in with movement. The targets in Blissett ,Fuller, Ingraham shows this. Scheme fit. Munoz isn't playing DE here so I hope he understands that as well lol
 
Jassid82 said:
Fair enough analysis. What do the numbers say about what is expected out of the DT gap control position? Seems like they want tall, big, but agile guys like Ford and Miller but those don't grow on trees and are hard to find. If we can get a bull rushing, run stuffing plug even if they don't fit the ideal height then not sure why they wouldn't pull the trigger.
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But don't you also make a good point on your own here? The scheme isn't looking for just a run-stuffing plug. Norton had several arm-over splash plays where he used his speed/athleticism to get into the backfield. If we were two-gapping, Daxon is a take all day, but we almost never two-gap that I've seen.

We have a freshman in Miller to play that role, so if we want to add a second young DT to play that role, he'd better be good. Nesta is a bully. He's made for that toughness/strength role next to an A+ 3T athlete.

Remember, that player is going to play that role 25% of the snaps. The other times they are off the field. We are going to be playing SDE at the DT position and pairing him with a Willis type or Ford type. For me (just my opinion), it's just not worth the spot to take a guy who doesn't have the requisite athleticism to play the scheme.
 
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