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Class Impact: Damarius Good to Miami

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can4life said:
Tyranne mathew, Jalen Mills, jalen collins, odell Beckham where all 3 stars.
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Odell Beckham and tyrann matheiu were not three stars nice try tho....matheiu was 247 composite 15th ranked corner 91 4star rating Beckham was composite 20th ranked WR 93 rating 4star
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
In 2019, your corner room will be:

Trajan Bandy - Jr. - Dog, stud, call him what you want. But more of a nickel/slot player than outside the numbers DB. Superstar in the making, but again he's not going to be outside covering 6'4 WRs.

DJ Ivey - So. - Promising rookie, but still obviously unproven, as he's never played a snap here yet

Gilbert Frierson - So. - See above, and also may potentially settle at Safety and not be included in this group.

Nigel Bethel - So. or possibly R-Fr. - Project player who will most likely need a redshirt year and then at least another 1-2 years of development before he can be truly counted on to make an impact

Al Blades - So. - Very good chance he's moved to Safety, but even if not, still has a lot to prove as far as being an outside the numbers cover corner.

Damarius Good - Fr. - Has never played DB in his life. Excellent size/speed combo, but certainly can't be counted on for anything in 2019. Most likely will be redshirting.

And that's it. LMAO. An elite slot kid, 3 kids who haven't seen a snap, and 2 complete projects. They need AT LEAST 2 stud corners in 2019. Not projects, not potential kids, not maybes. PRODUCTIVE PLAYERS. Kids like Steele, Dent, Elam, etc. Elite prospects who you at least feel good about having a very high chance of being productive players early in their careers. The fact that these guys were thinking about taking 1 kid and then took a commitment from a kid who has never played a snap at DB in his life is borderline embarrassing. Disagree completely with this approach.
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If you want to be intellectually honest, there will be all the same questions about 2019 freshmans as you have about this year’s freshmans. Until they hit the field, they are all question marks.

Good coaches take a kid with Good’s natural traits and teach him CB very quickly. I’d rather rely on a guy with his traits at CB than wait till NSD hoping to sign a CB (Spaghetti) who runs slower than a lot of good DEs.
 
HighSeas said:
It's not a mentally challenging position. Manny doesn't do nearly as much disguising and pattern-matching as Saban, for instance, and guys don't interchange roles very much. But you still have to cover and tackle.
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In our scheme for Corners it is mentally challenging because they are in a ton of 1 on 1 situations out on an island. Only true dogs can handle that 90% of the game being on an island.
 
This is a good answer.

In Rumph's short time at Miami, he's improved all the CBs on the roster.

Perhaps we'll find out that he's solid at evaluating, too.

I'm happy that we've offered or are looking closely at 3 burners at CB - Good, Holmes in the '20 class and another guy from SW Florida in the '20 class.

Butch had lots of DBs who weren't highly recruited and not from big-time schools (Clewiston, Lehigh, Dixie Hollins, etc.) who turned out well.

We're not out of it with some of the big-time CB talents for the '19 class.

But we certainly need to add 1-2 and then try to cherry pick someone who is - like Steele or someone else who may show up later in the year.

The Franchise said:
If you want to be intellectually honest, there will be all the same questions about 2019 freshmans as you have about this year’s freshmans. Until they hit the field, they are all question marks.

Good coaches take a kid with Good’s natural traits and teach him CB very quickly. I’d rather rely on a guy with his traits at CB than wait till NSD hoping to sign a CB (Spaghetti) who runs slower than a lot of good DEs.
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We should be fine with 2. One of this year's corners will likely redshirt. That means 3 for next year.
 
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Drewny1 said:
In our scheme for Corners it is mentally challenging because they are in a ton of 1 on 1 situations out on an island. Only true dogs can handle that 90% of the game being on an island.
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Yeah I meant scheme-wise.
 
can4life said:
Tyranne mathew, Jalen Mills, jalen collins, odell Beckham where all 3 stars.
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Man, would you stop posting the buffoonery.

No, Odell was not a 3* Odell Beckham Jr., New York, Wide Receiver
No, Tyrann MATHIEU was not a 3* Tyrann Mathieu, Houston, Safety
Jalen Collins was 4* by 247 and Rivals.com Jalen Collins, Atlanta, Cornerback Rivals.com

LSU had a blue chip ratio of 65% last year. FOH with LSU not being a 4* and 5* drawing school. Of course they are.

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In 2018, it still blows my mind that people think you can field a team of 3* players and think you're going to not be Wake Forest as a result.

The game is all about blue chip ratio, especially along the lines. At a big time program, you're clearly still going to take some 3* kids, but they can not be the bottom third of your class. In a small class, you've got room for maybe 2-3 of these types of eyetest evaluations. If you've got a full class, maybe five or so. Before someone mentions CLEMSON, again, another team that has a blue chip ratio above 50% but has consistently decreased its number of three-star takes over the years. They jumped from 42% in 2014 to 56% in 2017 and rising since winning a national championship.

So, we can talk about players like Good and Browlee Jr. until we are blue in the face...and its cool that Miami is getting on some kids early that are dogs that they evaluate as really strong potential players...with the early signing period, securing these guys and not holding spots for the Spaghetti's of the world that are going to drag out the process is incredibly important, as Good and Brownlee will not exist on the recruiting board come January.

If you want Stephenson or Spaghetti, then make room for them when they want in, but you don't sacrifice your eyetests as a result. You also don't want to make it a habit and you shouldn't be filling more than say five spots (rough figure) with these three star types. There is a happy medium here.

Also, would not shock me if Good and/or Brownlee become low four stars by the end of the process making the quality debate of their takes mental *********ion.

tl;dr - You can take a few 3*, but don't make it a habit and fill a third of your class with them.
 
SC-Cane said:
Odell Beckham and tyrann matheiu were not three stars nice try tho....matheiu was 247 composite 15th ranked corner 91 4star rating Beckham was composite 20th ranked WR 93 rating 4star
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Matheiu was a 2 Star when offered
 
BoxingRobes said:
Man, would you stop posting the buffoonery.

No, Odell was not a 3* Odell Beckham Jr., New York, Wide Receiver
No, Tyrann MATHIEU was not a 3* Tyrann Mathieu, Houston, Safety
Jalen Collins was 4* by 247 and Rivals.com Jalen Collins, Atlanta, Cornerback Rivals.com

LSU had a blue chip ratio of 65% last year. FOH with LSU not being a 4* and 5* drawing school. Of course they are.

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In 2018, it still blows my mind that people think you can field a team of 3* players and think you're going to not be Wake Forest as a result.

The game is all about blue chip ratio, especially along the lines. At a big time program, you're clearly still going to take some 3* kids, but they can not be the bottom third of your class. In a small class, you've got room for maybe 2-3 of these types of eyetest evaluations. If you've got a full class, maybe five or so. Before someone mentions CLEMSON, again, another team that has a blue chip ratio above 50% but has consistently decreased its number of three-star takes over the years. They jumped from 42% in 2014 to 56% in 2017 and rising since winning a national championship.

So, we can talk about players like Good and Browlee Jr. until we are blue in the face...and its cool that Miami is getting on some kids early that are dogs that they evaluate as really strong potential players...with the early signing period, securing these guys and not holding spots for the Spaghetti's of the world that are going to drag out the process is incredibly important, as Good and Brownlee will not exist on the recruiting board come January.

If you want Stephenson or Spaghetti, then make room for them when they want in, but you don't sacrifice your eyetests as a result. You also don't want to make it a habit and you shouldn't be filling more than say five spots (rough figure) with these three star types. There is a happy medium here.

Also, would not shock me if Good and/or Brownlee become low four stars by the end of the process making the quality debate of their takes mental *********ion.

tl;dr - You can take a few 3*, but don't make it a habit and fill a third of your class with them.
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Wisconsin is a Top 15 program built on 2 and 3 stars and it has worked for them for the past 25 years.

TCU, Washington are also the same way
 
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BoxingRobes said:
Man, would you stop posting the buffoonery.

No, Odell was not a 3* Odell Beckham Jr., New York, Wide Receiver
No, Tyrann MATHIEU was not a 3* Tyrann Mathieu, Houston, Safety
Jalen Collins was 4* by 247 and Rivals.com Jalen Collins, Atlanta, Cornerback Rivals.com

LSU had a blue chip ratio of 65% last year. FOH with LSU not being a 4* and 5* drawing school. Of course they are.

---

In 2018, it still blows my mind that people think you can field a team of 3* players and think you're going to not be Wake Forest as a result.

The game is all about blue chip ratio, especially along the lines. At a big time program, you're clearly still going to take some 3* kids, but they can not be the bottom third of your class. In a small class, you've got room for maybe 2-3 of these types of eyetest evaluations. If you've got a full class, maybe five or so. Before someone mentions CLEMSON, again, another team that has a blue chip ratio above 50% but has consistently decreased its number of three-star takes over the years. They jumped from 42% in 2014 to 56% in 2017 and rising since winning a national championship.

So, we can talk about players like Good and Browlee Jr. until we are blue in the face...and its cool that Miami is getting on some kids early that are dogs that they evaluate as really strong potential players...with the early signing period, securing these guys and not holding spots for the Spaghetti's of the world that are going to drag out the process is incredibly important, as Good and Brownlee will not exist on the recruiting board come January.

If you want Stephenson or Spaghetti, then make room for them when they want in, but you don't sacrifice your eyetests as a result. You also don't want to make it a habit and you shouldn't be filling more than say five spots (rough figure) with these three star types. There is a happy medium here.

Also, would not shock me if Good and/or Brownlee become low four stars by the end of the process making the quality debate of their takes mental *********ion.

tl;dr - You can take a few 3*, but don't make it a habit and fill a third of your class with them.
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The game is all about blue-chip ratio? Not quite. Stars have a good correlation to success, but that's really it.

FSU had the 4th highest blue chip ratio last year and they went 7-6.
LSU was also top-5 and had a disappointing season.
Wisconsin, Oklahoma St, TCU, Washington - none of these teams were in the top 20 in BC ratio and they were all **** good. UF was in thje top-20, and they won 4 games.

There are so many examples, not to mention individual game results that should be impossible to star whores, that is laughable people care so much about a ratio which only became a thing when a FSU writer coined it a few years ago.

Sure, you need 50% to win a NC or whatever. But only a handful of teams have even won NCs since 247/Rivals became a thing, and Bama has won most of them.

Bar Milo helped our BC ratio. Based on your post, you seem to think that somehow matters. Id rather have a lower ratio and trade him for that Taylor kid at OT that ended up at UF
 
jw410 said:
Elam isn't a stud just because certain posters are saying he is and it'sa down year in S. Fla.. slower 40 than Mallory and 29 lbs lighter... I don't know I grade Dbs harsher than most.
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So he isn’t a stud because he timed slower in a 100M race than a guy who is probably in the 99 percentile for HS TE’s in America lol. 29 pounds heavier? Lol, you don’t know how much they weighed during track season.

You can say he isn’t a stud. If you base that off watching his film and don’t like him then that’s fine because that’s your opinion but to use this track **** as your reasoning is laughable.
Mallory probably runs a 100M faster than a couple of our guys, that doesn’t mean they aren’t good lol. He is a freak, he ran a 4.68 last summer at the opening in the 40. Jeremiah Payton just ran a 4.7+, is he not good now? Lmao
 
What’s interesting is none of Miami’s support or coaching staff have commented on Twitter that I’ve seen about this commitment. They usually blow it up after a commit.
 
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gacaneaddict said:
What’s interesting is none of Miami’s support or coaching staff have commented on Twitter that I’ve seen about this commitment. They usually blow it up after a commit.
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Wow i didn't think of that...great observation. Maybe he was told that he needs to earn it or else he'll get pushed out.
 
TheRichtShow said:
The game is all about blue-chip ratio? Not quite. Stars have a good correlation to success, but that's really it.

FSU had the 4th highest blue chip ratio last year and they went 7-6.
LSU was also top-5 and had a disappointing season.
Wisconsin, Oklahoma St, TCU, Washington - none of these teams were in the top 20 in BC ratio and they were all **** good. UF was in thje top-20, and they won 4 games.

There are so many examples, not to mention individual game results that should be impossible to star whores, that is laughable people care so much about a ratio which only became a thing when a FSU writer coined it a few years ago.

Sure, you need 50% to win a NC or whatever. But only a handful of teams have even won NCs since 247/Rivals became a thing, and Bama has won most of them.

Bar Milo helped our BC ratio. Based on your post, you seem to think that somehow matters. Id rather have a lower ratio and trade him for that Taylor kid at OT that ended up at UF
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At what point does our fanbase stop mentioning Wisconsin and other good, but never ever going to win a National Championship type teams? Stop comparing us to these programs located in the outback of talent.

UF and FSU ... Bad last year, but have won national championships with high blue Chip ratios...not sure what your point is.

Facts are facts, CFB is an arms race. If you don't understand this basic concept, then there is no discussion to be had. It's a fundamental law of the jungle. You can pick whatever outlier players you want, Bama, Ohio State, and Clemson have busts that count to BCR too. Doesn't change the law.
 
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Ivins just put out some smoke saying he doesn't know if Chris Steele OV to us on the 16th will happen. Looking more and more like this UF hype is real smh... @Brooklyndee any input into what's happening?
 
ajone228 said:
Ivins just put out some smoke saying he doesn't know if Chris Steele OV to us on the 16th will happen. Looking more and more like this UF hype is real smh... @Brooklyndee any input into what's happening?
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He already said Steele maybe enamored w Uif....Oh well he gonna get that *** kicked in 2019...
 
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