CIS report on WQAM - June 13th

In the one game Rosier started he showed enough

True but that was under a different coordinator(Coley) and it was one game so we have no way of knowing if that game vs Duke was fairly representative of what he can consistently do or if it was an outlier. Kirby Freeman led a clutch game winning drive against FSU in 2007 yet we all know it was a fluke and that Freeman was atrocious whenever else he was given the opportunity to start.
 
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All I know is Kaaya had a pretty good true freshman season with far less talent and he was a summer enrollee. If he can do anything close to what Kaaya did we should be just fine.
 
Bottom line is; it up to Richt to figure this sh*t out. He don't get er done this season, I'm going to be all up in his bitness.
 
All I know is Kaaya had a pretty good true freshman season with far less talent and he was a summer enrollee. If he can do anything close to what Kaaya did we should be just fine.

Agree. If freshman Kaaya had the defense we've got, it's hard to picture fewer than 9 wins.
 
What if i told you 46% of Hurts completed passes were behind the line of scrimmage.

What's your point? I'm not the one using Hurts as an example of a true freshman getting it done. Give your advanced stats to Dmoney.

If wins are what you're looking for, Hurts is the perfect example. If you're looking for performance as a passer, look no further than Kaaya and his ACC-leading stats as a true freshman.

Here's the bottom line: In the first seven games of the schedule, putting aside FSU, we play Bethune Cookman, Arkansas State and Toledo (at home). Those should be wins with Jon Richt at quarterback. We also play Duke, Syracuse and Georgia Tech. Those are three of the worst defenses Perry will ever face.

By the time Perry gets to the meat of the schedule, he should (barring injury) have a ton of experience and 6 wins in the bag with 6 or 7 games left to go. I expect 10 wins and anything less would be a disappointment.

Duke, Syracuse and GT are exactly the types of games a true freshman QB can lose. GT always gives us fits with their defense. Syracuse can score points and force you to answer. Duke always seems to play us pretty tough and usually knocks off a good team or two every year.

****, a true freshman QB can even get in trouble against a team like Ark State or Toledo.
Lmao @ Syracuse...

They gave up 76 points last year to a team that doesn't have 1/3rd the amount of talent we do.

A TF QB would struggle on the road vs teams like FSU, NC or a home game like ND/Va Tech but the team's you mentioned don't strengthen that argument.

Those Duke, Cuse & GTech games are layups even with a Freshman QB & I say that not expecting for Perry to be the starter.

Your point about TF QB's is true, the only problem is the two upperclassmen aren't lighting the world on fire either, the question will remain how long do we stick with Shirreffs or Rosier if they lose to FSU or any other game early on?

The talk of a Freshman QB basically guaranteeing that we won't win anything big this season is couched under the expectation that the 2 upperclassmen better win the games we're supposed to lose with a Frosh QB or else the whole point becomes null & void.

You're right. A true freshmans QB could never lose to GT, Duke or Syracuse. They can only lose to the top teams. GT is a talented team that always plays us tough and beat up on our veteran QB the last couple years. We needed a couple defensive TDs to hang on against them last year. But Perry would handle them with ease.

Remind me again which team Syracuse beat last year as a huge underdog.

Keep thinking everything will go by the book with a freshmans QB and that he'll only struggle when you think he'll struggle.
 
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The dilemma that I (and I think most of us) struggle with is - any one of Rosier, Shirrefs, or Perry could win us 10 games... Or 6. We have no solid evidence beyond Rosier's lone start of any of these QB's abilities beyond camp reports and conjecture.

Another random aside regarding true freshman QBs - I wonder how many of them had lousy records due to them coming in when their team had already started to tank (or when the entrenched starter got hurt) vs being named the starter from the get-go... I don't have time right now to look that up but I'd be curious to know the answer.
 
Any of these dudes believing rosier or sheriffs is the answer for any portion of the season just because they are a rsjr or rssoph just needs to quit watching football.

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I don't understand why people have hope that rosier or sherriffs will be any better. Other than duke game with rozier neither have shown anything. If a freshman is close to what an upperclassman is capable of doing then you go with the freshman because they have more upside

Because they've at least had years to learn the playbook. It's really not that hard to understand.

It's a simple concept that the Madden players can't grasp. QB is the most unique and demanding position in sports. It takes a ton more than raw talent to lead your team to wins.
 
All I know is Kaaya had a pretty good true freshman season with far less talent and he was a summer enrollee. If he can do anything close to what Kaaya did we should be just fine.

You mean do nothing against almost every good team, pad stats against garbage teams, fall apart in the second half of most games and lead us to a 6-7 record?
 
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All I know is Kaaya had a pretty good true freshman season with far less talent and he was a summer enrollee. If he can do anything close to what Kaaya did we should be just fine.

You mean do nothing against almost every good team, pad stats against garbage teams, fall apart in the second half of most games and lead us to a 6-7 record?

Devil's Advocate hypothetical - if freshman Kaaya had the 2017 defense (and coaching staff) would we still have gone 6-7?
 
You're right. A true freshmans QB could never lose to GT, Duke or Syracuse. They can only lose to the top teams. GT is a talented team that always plays us tough and beat up on our veteran QB the last couple years. We needed a couple defensive TDs to hang on against them last year. But Perry would handle them with ease.

Remind me again which team Syracuse beat last year as a huge underdog.

Keep thinking everything will go by the book with a freshmans QB and that he'll only struggle when you think he'll struggle.

Any conference game is a potential upset. It's college football and we aren't elite yet.

But I'd much rather break in a young QB against buttersoft defenses like Syracuse. Our defense can handle their end.
 
This is pretty much it in a nutshell. We better hope Rosier steps up because we aren't winning 11 with a true freshmans summer enrollee.

The summer enrollee thing is a cop-out, in my opinion. The only reason you throw out that caveat is because a true freshman just led Alabama to the title game. Do you think Hurts won and Kaaya lost because Hurts had a better knowledge of the offense?

The game has changed. It is easier to get young guys ready to roll. The experience bar gets lower every year, in college and the pros. The big question is whether we have a good enough team around Perry. Hurts obviously did.

Counterpoints:

1. Hurts enrolled at Alabama in December 2015 (https://theundefeated.com/features/...-hurts-and-the-black-qbs-who-came-before-him/) - that's a huge difference from what NKosi did. Those extra months make an astronomical difference, especially for a QB that will have to throw

2. Hurts is a different type of QB in a different type of system - was never expected to win with his arm, unlike Kosi if he's tabbed.

3. Alabama has 5 stars at the 3-deep in just about every position. Their o-line is always monstrous.

4. Kosi will literally have four weeks to learn a more complex position in which he'll be required to read, react and throw in real time at a speed he's never experienced before.

If you don't see the obstacles he has vs what Hurts had, I don't know what to say.

You can't even compare the two QBs or situations.

Main thing is Miami is significantly more talented than any team we face other than fsu and the schedule is rather easy.[/QUOTE]

Not true at all. FSU is on paper more talented and you can also make a case for ND. No way you can say we are significantly more talented than the Irish who are loaded with 4 star players and a few 5 star kids.

Then you have the following teams that are just a tad below us in talent and we all know can beat us on good day. UNC,VT and Pitt
 
All I know is Kaaya had a pretty good true freshman season with far less talent and he was a summer enrollee. If he can do anything close to what Kaaya did we should be just fine.

You mean do nothing against almost every good team, pad stats against garbage teams, fall apart in the second half of most games and lead us to a 6-7 record?

Devil's Advocate hypothetical - if freshman Kaaya had the 2017 defense (and coaching staff) would we still have gone 6-7?

Nope
 
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This is pretty much it in a nutshell. We better hope Rosier steps up because we aren't winning 11 with a true freshmans summer enrollee.

The summer enrollee thing is a cop-out, in my opinion. The only reason you throw out that caveat is because a true freshman just led Alabama to the title game. Do you think Hurts won and Kaaya lost because Hurts had a better knowledge of the offense?

The game has changed. It is easier to get young guys ready to roll. The experience bar gets lower every year, in college and the pros. The big question is whether we have a good enough team around Perry. Hurts obviously did.

Counterpoints:

1. Hurts enrolled at Alabama in December 2015 (https://theundefeated.com/features/...-hurts-and-the-black-qbs-who-came-before-him/) - that's a huge difference from what NKosi did. Those extra months make an astronomical difference, especially for a QB that will have to throw

2. Hurts is a different type of QB in a different type of system - was never expected to win with his arm, unlike Kosi if he's tabbed.

3. Alabama has 5 stars at the 3-deep in just about every position. Their o-line is always monstrous.

4. Kosi will literally have four weeks to learn a more complex position in which he'll be required to read, react and throw in real time at a speed he's never experienced before.

If you don't see the obstacles he has vs what Hurts had, I don't know what to say.

You can't even compare the two QBs or situations.

Main thing is Miami is significantly more talented than any team we face other than fsu and the schedule is rather easy.[/QUOTE]

Not true at all. FSU is on paper more talented and you can also make a case for ND. No way you can say we are significantly more talented than the Irish who are loaded with 4 star players and a few 5 star kids.

Then you have the following teams that are just a tad below us in talent and we all know can beat us on good day. UNC,VT and Pitt

Notre dame is only more talented at Miami this year in 2 spots. At qb with winbush and on the oline. Everywhere else Miami is more talented than notre dame
 
All I know is Kaaya had a pretty good true freshman season with far less talent and he was a summer enrollee. If he can do anything close to what Kaaya did we should be just fine.

You mean do nothing against almost every good team, pad stats against garbage teams, fall apart in the second half of most games and lead us to a 6-7 record?

Devil's Advocate hypothetical - if freshman Kaaya had the 2017 defense (and coaching staff) would we still have gone 6-7?

7 or 8 wins. Kaaya was Kaaya. He padded stats and usually unraveled in crunch time.
 
All I know is Kaaya had a pretty good true freshman season with far less talent and he was a summer enrollee. If he can do anything close to what Kaaya did we should be just fine.

You mean do nothing against almost every good team, pad stats against garbage teams, fall apart in the second half of most games and lead us to a 6-7 record?

You make valid points. He also had Coley calling predictable plays too. Let's be honest our coaching staff did a lot of bad for the team and killed the moral etc so... If Perry has similar numbers we would be happy.
 
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Any of these dudes believing rosier or sheriffs is the answer for any portion of the season just because they are a rsjr or rssoph just needs to quit watching football.

This....
I don't understand why people have hope that rosier or sherriffs will be any better. Other than duke game with rozier neither have shown anything. If a freshman is close to what an upperclassman is capable of doing then you go with the freshman because they have more upside

Because they've at least had years to learn the playbook. It's really not that hard to understand.

Richt has been here one year. So how have they had years in the playbook?
 
Any of these dudes believing rosier or sheriffs is the answer for any portion of the season just because they are a rsjr or rssoph just needs to quit watching football.

This....
I don't understand why people have hope that rosier or sherriffs will be any better. Other than duke game with rozier neither have shown anything. If a freshman is close to what an upperclassman is capable of doing then you go with the freshman because they have more upside

Because they've at least had years to learn the playbook. It's really not that hard to understand.

Richt has been here one year. So how have they had years in the playbook?

its not just a playbook, its learning a system(playbook, training, diet, teamates, …) while getting acclimated to college at the same time.. Sounded like Weldon was overwhelmed with it, don't see how Perry should process all of it any quicker.
 
All I know is Kaaya had a pretty good true freshman season with far less talent and he was a summer enrollee. If he can do anything close to what Kaaya did we should be just fine.

You mean do nothing against almost every good team, pad stats against garbage teams, fall apart in the second half of most games and lead us to a 6-7 record?

His freshmen year nebraska won 9 games and kaaya had 359 yards and 3tds. Was the most yards thrown by a qb on the road vs nebraska.

Gt 11 wins and he threw for 245 and 1td. Cincinnati 9 wins 286 3tds, unc 189 3tds, fsu 316 2tds.

The most yards he threw for that year came vs nebraska. And the other 2 games he went for 300+ yards was fsu and ark st. That doesnt look like padding stats vs bad teams to me.
 
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All I know is Kaaya had a pretty good true freshman season with far less talent and he was a summer enrollee. If he can do anything close to what Kaaya did we should be just fine.

You mean do nothing against almost every good team, pad stats against garbage teams, fall apart in the second half of most games and lead us to a 6-7 record?

His freshmen year nebraska won 9 games and kaaya had 359 yards and 3tds. Was the most yards thrown by a qb on the road vs nebraska.

Gt 11 wins and he threw for 245 and 1td. Cincinnati 9 wins 286 3tds, unc 189 3tds, fsu 316 2tds.

The most yards he threw for that year came vs nebraska. And the other 2 games he went for 300+ yards was fsu and ark st. That doesnt look like padding stats vs bad teams to me.
Kaaya had 320 plus vs fsu secondary his freshman year than included jalen Ramsey, pj Williams, Ronald Darby all in the NFL by the way and some others..... how is that padding stats vs bad teams? Lol, some of these people just say anything on here man
 
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