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Chip Kelly fired by the 49ers

supersaiyanshel said:
The new Lane Kiffin. Buddy has been fired two years in a row and is about to be involved in a bidding war for his services. Ridiculous.

Anyway, 49ers need to give Harbaugh full control and beg him to come back.
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Hardballs isn't going back to SF. They can get all they want. My bet is Hardballs takes care of his unfinished business in Ann Arbor then goes back to the NFL.
 
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Guys Saban is about to hire him as OC now that he has seen his OC picking and eating boogers on national tv,
 
Kelly was doing pretty well with the Eagles his first 2 years. Then they let him double up as GM his 3rd year and well that totally screwed everything up. The 49ers have been a massive flop.
 
Doesn't he hate recruiting?

He may pull a Fuente and go to a low key school.

UF, Tennessee? I highly doubt it.

Notre Dame is a possibility

UCLA maybe
 
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Kelly made his name with the hurry up no huddle spread and Mariotta. Teams have caught up to the hurry up spread over the last couple years as is always the case when someone does something revolutionary. It takes a bit, but that stuff gets figured out.

Remember John Jenkins killing everyone 80-21 at University of Houston when he brought that Mouse Davis run n shoot to major college football? Remember how quickly he flamed out after UM destroyed him?

Kelly can still be an effective college HC, but he won't win NCs running that offense. Look at all the teams running that stuff and how they've struggled the last couple years to win anything of significance.
 
I agree.

I've been converted to the concept that it puts too much stress on the D.

I saw a graphic in the Texas A&M bowl game that showed their defense had played the equivalent of 3 more games than LSU, UGA, and Alabama because of the number of snaps they had played. And it was based on the style of play from their offense.

When you have the talent advantage, it's fun to watch. When you have comparable talent, or worse, it's easy for the D to get run down.


The Franchise said:
Kelly made his name with the hurry up no huddle spread and Mariotta. Teams have caught up to the hurry up spread over the last couple years as is always the case when someone does something revolutionary. It takes a bit, but that stuff gets figured out.

Remember John Jenkins killing everyone 80-21 at University of Houston when he brought that Mouse Davis run n shoot to major college football? Remember how quickly he flamed out after UM destroyed him?

Kelly can still be an effective college HC, but he won't win NCs running that offense. Look at all the teams running that stuff and how they've struggled the last couple years to win anything of significance.
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The Franchise said:
Kelly made his name with the hurry up no huddle spread and Mariotta. Teams have caught up to the hurry up spread over the last couple years as is always the case when someone does something revolutionary. It takes a bit, but that stuff gets figured out.

Remember John Jenkins killing everyone 80-21 at University of Houston when he brought that Mouse Davis run n shoot to major college football? Remember how quickly he flamed out after UM destroyed him?

Kelly can still be an effective college HC, but he won't win NCs running that offense. Look at all the teams running that stuff and how they've struggled the last couple years to win anything of significance.
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Actually, Jack Pardee brought that Mouse Davis offense to Houston. Mouse Davis was Pardee's OC with the Houston Gamblers. Davis left after a year or so, but Pardee embraced it and took it to the cougars in 87 or 88. Jenkins inherited a machine and turned it to crap.
 
supersaiyanshel said:
The new Lane Kiffin. Buddy has been fired two years in a row and is about to be involved in a bidding war for his services. Ridiculous.

Anyway, 49ers need to give Harbaugh full control and beg him to come back.
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Except that unlike Kiffin, Kelly was a successful college football head coach.
 
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The Franchise said:
Kelly made his name with the hurry up no huddle spread and Mariotta. Teams have caught up to the hurry up spread over the last couple years as is always the case when someone does something revolutionary. It takes a bit, but that stuff gets figured out.

Remember John Jenkins killing everyone 80-21 at University of Houston when he brought that Mouse Davis run n shoot to major college football? Remember how quickly he flamed out after UM destroyed him?

Kelly can still be an effective college HC, but he won't win NCs running that offense. Look at all the teams running that stuff and how they've struggled the last couple years to win anything of significance.
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Houston didn't fall apart because people learned their offense. They fell apart because they got on probation, and then ended up in C-USA after the SWC collapsed.


Anyway Kelly is a great college coach. Plenty of great college coaches don't make it in the NFL. Just look at Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier, Barry Switzer, Dennis Erickson, Bobby Petrino, Lou Holtz, John McKay, Butch Davids.

Jimmy Johnson is the exception when it comes to CFB coaches moving to the NFL.
 
Rocketcane said:
The Franchise said:
Kelly made his name with the hurry up no huddle spread and Mariotta. Teams have caught up to the hurry up spread over the last couple years as is always the case when someone does something revolutionary. It takes a bit, but that stuff gets figured out.

Remember John Jenkins killing everyone 80-21 at University of Houston when he brought that Mouse Davis run n shoot to major college football? Remember how quickly he flamed out after UM destroyed him?

Kelly can still be an effective college HC, but he won't win NCs running that offense. Look at all the teams running that stuff and how they've struggled the last couple years to win anything of significance.
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Houston didn't fall apart because people learned their offense. They fell apart because they got on probation, and then ended up in C-USA after the SWC collapsed.


Anyway Kelly is a great college coach. Plenty of great college coaches don't make it in the NFL. Just look at Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier, Barry Switzer, Dennis Erickson, Bobby Petrino, Lou Holtz, John McKay, Butch Davids.

Jimmy Johnson is the exception when it comes to CFB coaches moving to the NFL.
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So the run n shoot didn't get figured out and is still a viable effective offense? So is Buddy Ryan's 46 right?

You guys lose track of the points being made trying to get your gotcha moments. Houston never recovered from the beating we put on them. Teams started playing them like we did and shut them down.

If you don't think teams have adapted and have learned to defend that Chip Kelly hurry up spread you must not watch much football.
 
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I'd love to have him as the UM OC but it isn't happening. He beat FSU with Winston at QB with Oregon recruits who were nowhere near rated as high as UMs. Just because other people tried to copy him doesn't mean they're as good as he is at what he does. The Fins would've copied the Patriots years ago if it was that easy. Gimme a break Franchise comparing Kelly to Houstons run and shoot.
 
Chip is a weird guy. Great offensive mind, but doesn't give a fakk about defense so it makes him a weak head coach, especially as an NFL coach. He could get away with it in college where you can give others (like Nick Bellotti or Jerry Azzinaro) autonomy over a unit or a task...like recruiting.

He isn't a people person, and even though many coaches aren't...professional players want nothing to do with this guy. At the college level, its not charming like say...Mike Leach where he can still sell his weird self to young adults to play in his system. Oregon was a weird recruiting spot. Chip recruited kids so scheme specific (many were underrecuited), it allowed him to go to places like Texas and Florida for talent (places not usually destined to send kids to Oregon).

The pros clearly aren't for him, but he doesn't want to recruit or be the collegiate CEO type. He wants to be THE MAN, but just wants to draw up Xs and Os and devise ways to outscheme other teams. He is an OC that doesn't want a boss (which doesn't exist) or is a head coach in the middle of nowhere type that needs an admin that doesn't care how he allocates duties. Just a weird guy that has very few places that would be a fit for him for the long term. He had it real good at Oregon. Maybe he needs to go work under a Saban or Urban for a few years.
 
BoxingRobes said:
Chip is a weird guy. Great offensive mind, but doesn't give a fakk about defense so it makes him a weak head coach, especially as an NFL coach. He could get away with it in college where you can give others (like Nick Bellotti or Jerry Azzinaro) autonomy over a unit or a task...like recruiting.

He isn't a people person, and even though many coaches aren't...professional players want nothing to do with this guy. At the college level, its not charming like say...Mike Leach where he can still sell his weird self to young adults to play in his system. Oregon was a weird recruiting spot. Chip recruited kids so scheme specific (many were underrecuited), it allowed him to go to places like Texas and Florida for talent (places not usually destined to send kids to Oregon).

The pros clearly aren't for him, but he doesn't want to recruit or be the collegiate CEO type. He wants to be THE MAN, but just wants to draw up Xs and Os and devise ways to outscheme other teams. He is an OC that doesn't want a boss (which doesn't exist) or is a head coach in the middle of nowhere type that needs an admin that doesn't care how he allocates duties. Just a weird guy that has very few places that would be a fit for him for the long term. He had it real good at Oregon. Maybe he needs to go work under a Saban or Urban for a few years.
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Interesting nuggets here.
I don't know if what you are saying is all 100% true but it was fascinating to read.
 
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