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acento said:
The Gattis hiring set us back 3 years.
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And it's absolutely Mario's fault. Not sure how he ended up with Gattis but he either fell in love with the Broyles award on his resume or got fleeced/hoodwinked by several others into hiring him. Was just an awful hire that *most (at least from the outside) seemed to think was a home run at the time.
 
gacaneaddict said:
Ahh forgot about manuel
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Also: I wasn't so much disputing your point about Mario. Just noting that Jimbo had/has a reputation as a good QB developer. Kellen Mond also was a 3rd round draft pick from A&M.
 
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DTP said:
Jimbo was head coach for Christian Ponder and EJ Manuel at FSU as well is Jameis Winston.
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Let’s be real he didn’t do anything to help Ponder or Manuel drafted in the first. They were incredibly average college QBs and two GMs lost their jobs overreaching. He didn’t even put up eye popping stats with them.
 
gacaneaddict said:
I was referring as a HC.

Jimbo 1
Mario 1
Napier 1

So why does Mario have this narrative?

Jimbo hadn't had a first round QB since 2014. Napier coached Richardson for 1 season. Mario was co-OC for Hebert then HC for 2 years. Only reason this narrative exists because Dorky Duck fans thought they should throw it more but they had a great OL and 1000 yard backs while having basically no talent at WR. I think Herbert still left Oregon 6th all time in PAC 12 career passing TDs.
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QB and WR recruiting are deeply connected and what I bolded from your post matters a lot here. Miami fans may dislike the narrative about Mario with QB's and WR's. Some here may even dispute its validity, but it exists for clear and obvious reasons.

The downward trend since he inherited Herbert paints a picture of a very successful outlier followed by a combination of blue-chip busts (Shough, Butterfield, Thompson), a run-first transfer QB who had 150 carries in Mario's 5th year at Oregon (Brown), and a QB who was receiving future first-round buzz before Mario arrived at Miami who turned into an absolute train wreck after he was saddled with Josh Gattis (TVD). In fairness, Napier inherited Richardson and UF was hot garbage with him, so they're very fortunate to have a stud QB in Lagway committed. But the trend with QB's under Mario is clear until and unless it changes.

Meanwhile, Oregon's wide receivers were completely nondescript throughout his entire tenure. It wasn't until after he left that a receiver he recruited, Troy Franklin, emerged as a star in a different offense. Our WR group looked atrocious and then we whiffed on every outside WR recruit we coveted out of HS. None of that is a coincidence. We signed two 5* OT's last cycle and appear primed to land a monster DL class. The highest-drafted players Mario recruited to Oregon were a 5* OT (Sewell) and a 5* DE (Thibodeaux). None of that is a coincidence either.

As it stands right now, our post-TVD QB situation is ripe to be dissected by opposing coaches. Hopefully that changes and we land an elite QB1. It would go a LONG way if we want to win the battles for elite receivers like Smith, Wingo, and Miller.
 
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gacaneaddict said:
I was referring as a HC.

Jimbo 1
Mario 1
Napier 1

So why does Mario have this narrative?

Jimbo hadn't had a first round QB since 2014. Napier coached Richardson for 1 season. Mario was co-OC for Hebert then HC for 2 years. Only reason this narrative exists because Dorky Duck fans thought they should throw it more but they had a great OL and 1000 yard backs while having basically no talent at WR. I think Herbert still left Oregon 6th all time in PAC 12 career passing TDs.
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How’d it work out for crab legs.

Richardson was drafted strictly on potential because he **** sure didn’t light it up as a gator.

Herbert so far has been far more successful than either of those 2 and was better in college.

Obviously, the Gatass débâcle didn’t help the Mario QB narrative. If potential WR recruits can’t see the forest for the trees, that’s on them.
 
gacaneaddict said:
I was referring as a HC.

Jimbo 1
Mario 1
Napier 1

So why does Mario have this narrative?

Jimbo hadn't had a first round QB since 2014. Napier coached Richardson for 1 season. Mario was co-OC for Hebert then HC for 2 years. Only reason this narrative exists because Dorky Duck fans thought they should throw it more but they had a great OL and 1000 yard backs while having basically no talent at WR. I think Herbert still left Oregon 6th all time in PAC 12 career passing TDs.
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Jimbo still coached 3 first rounders as an HC, not 1. Aside from that, the narrative on Mario which was offense based not just QB based didn’t start with Oregon fans. It was started by rivals in the PAC. Oregon fans just ran with it when Mario left for Miami.
 
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mirvin88 said:
Let’s be real he didn’t do anything to help Ponder or Manuel drafted in the first. They were incredibly average college QBs and two GMs lost their jobs overreaching. He didn’t even put up eye popping stats with them.
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You can say that about half the quarterbacks that get drafted early every year. The reason the NFL keeps drafting Jimbo QBs is because he runs a pro style passing system and NFL scouts think they'll adapt to the pro game faster/easier than a guy who played in a wide open, one read, spread system. Will Levis was a projected first rounder and got picked with the first pick in the second round simply because he played under center in college. He was not particularly good. He was just used to playing in an under center, play action, pro style system.
 
bobbydigius said:
Jimbo still coached 3 first rounders as an HC, not 1. Aside from that, the narrative on Mario which was offense based not just QB based didn’t start with Oregon fans. It was started by rivals in the PAC. Oregon fans just ran with it when Mario left for Miami.
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Also came somewhat from Psuedo Scouts seeing Herbert’s decline and % of screens thrown
 
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Cribby said:
Jimbo is no longer the guy he was ten years ago as for as developing qb’s and scheming up offense. The offensive game has passed him by. There’s a reason he brought in Petrino.
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No lie there, but young people will always be very susceptible to lies and if Weigman shows any life the Jimbo QB whisperer talks will start again. This applies to us as well. If Dawson turns around this offense and Tyler becomes a day 1 or 2 pick, the narrative around Mario disappear and Herbert and TVD will be shoved down recruit’s throats to no end.
 
bobbydigius said:
No lie there, but young people will always be very susceptible to lies and if Weigman shows any life the Jimbo QB whisperer talks will start again. This applies to us as well. If Dawson turns around this offense and Tyler becomes a day 1 or 2 pick, the narrative around Mario disappear and Herbert and TVD will be shoved down recruit’s throats to no end.
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It’s all about perception.
 
Maybe I’m just full of wishful thinking, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we snatch a qb from someone.
No way we aren’t working for another top dude regardless of where he’s committed.
 
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pacusmc said:
Maybe I’m just full of wishful thinking, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we snatch a qb from someone.
No way we aren’t working for another top dude regardless of where he’s committed.
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I agree, think it happens later on though. Kids want to be give a reason, any reason to come here. It’s up to our staff to deliver on the field.
 
pacusmc said:
Maybe I’m just full of wishful thinking, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we snatch a qb from someone.
No way we aren’t working for another top dude regardless of where he’s committed.
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Maybe a big time team has a young guy take the reigns and scare off a committed recruit.

But usually the late decommits are from big time QBs not committed to big time schools. And then a major school comes calling.

Minchey was an example of that last year. He was committed to Pitt. And then late in the cycle flipped to ND.

Most QB recruits don’t make fall/winter lateral flips. They have their team, and stick it out
 
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