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Coach Macho said:
I don't disagree fully...
But I think he's a "scheme fit" guy.

If you're playing a ton of Cover-3 and Zaquan is your guy who's rolling down, I think he can be productive.
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****, now we're questioning Zaquan's abilities? DB along with QB are the positions I know the least about. But he seemed as good as anyone in that 2024 class in his HUDL and the couple times I caught him on television. Was highly lauded for his play at the AA practices and games, too, IIRC.

I definitely see a him as a SS over a FS. But he seems to be rangy enough to play cover 2 (or quarters) when needed. Isn't he a 4.5 guy? What am I missing?
 
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grover said:
****, now we're questioning Zaquan's abilities? DB along with QB are the positions I know the least about. But he seemed as good as anyone in that 2024 class in his HUDL and the couple times I caught him on television. Was highly lauded for his play at the AA practices and games, too, IIRC.

I definitely see a him as a SS over a FS. But he seems to be rangy enough to play cover 2 (or quarters) when needed. Isn't he a 4.5 guy? What am I missing?
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Would you rather ask a kid to do something that he majored in, or ask him to do something completely new and outside of his comfort zone? 🤷🏻‍♂️

The kid spent his whole career in the box. That's what he's elite at.

I mean...truthfully...
At some point your Safeties have to play up-top. There's no avoiding that. He has to learn that. But to NEVER put him down where he can truly thrive is kinda wild.
 
Coach Macho said:
Would you rather ask a kid to do something that he majored in, or ask him to do something completely new and outside of his comfort zone? 🤷🏻‍♂️

The kid spent his whole career in the box. That's what he's elite at.

I mean...truthfully...
At some point your Safeties have to play up-top. There's no avoiding that. He has to learn that. But to NEVER put him down where he can truly thrive is kinda wild.
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I may be misunderstanding you. What role do you see him playing? Isn’t the SS the box safety for the most part? If so we’re in agreement. My only point is if you need to move to a cover 2, he should be able to hold up and not get torched like our last two safeties were.
 
grover said:
I may be misunderstanding you. What role do you see him playing? Isn’t the SS the box safety for the most part? If so we’re in agreement. My only point is if you need to move to a cover 2, he should be able to hold up and not get torched like our last two safeties were.
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I see him playing as a boundary Safety. (the SS is usually to the wide side)

The boundary Safety is the one who rolls down into the box if we're playing Cover-3...which is what Patterson did his whole career.

And when he has to play Cover-2, he's to the short-side of the field, thus he has to cover less ground.

Your Safety to the field (wide side) is the one who needs to be more rangy.

You can do more creative stuff with the boundary Safety because he's generally on the side with only 1 receiver. This means you can blitz him, roll him down to cover RB's, use him to "rob" the wide side (called "poaching")...etc.
 
Coach Macho said:
I see him playing as a boundary Safety. (the SS is usually to the wide side)

The boundary Safety is the one who rolls down into the box if we're playing Cover-3...which is what Patterson did his whole career.

And when he has to play Cover-2, he's to the short-side of the field, thus he has to cover less ground.

Your Safety to the field (wide side) is the one who needs to be more rangy.

You can do more creative stuff with the boundary Safety because he's generally on the side with only 1 receiver. This means you can blitz him, roll him down to cover RB's, use him to "rob" the wide side (called "poaching")...etc.
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Okay, that totally makes sense. And I totally agree. ... Is it me or did the definition of what a SS does change over the past decade or so? I always thought of the SS as a box safety. Sorry I got the terms wrong and hence the confusion. I will use boundary vs. field/wide going forward to be more specific.
 
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grover said:
Okay, that totally makes sense. And I totally agree. ... Is it me or did the definition of what a SS does change over the past decade or so? I always thought of the SS as a box safety. Sorry I got the terms wrong and hence the confusion. I will use boundary vs. field/wide going forward to be more specific.
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I think the SS probably was in the box more back in the days versus I-formation run-heavy offenses.

Everybody has different names for their positions too. What I consider a Strong Safety might be a Free Safety to somebody else. This is kinda why I speak in field/boundary terms instead.
 
Coach Macho said:
I think the SS probably was in the box more back in the days versus I-formation run-heavy offenses.

Everybody has different names for their positions too. What I consider a Strong Safety might be a Free Safety to somebody else. This is kinda why I speak in field/boundary terms instead.
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Does Poyser fill the field role? If not, who on the roster would be that guy?

Good stuff here all around. Thanks in advance.
 
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Coach Macho said:
Would you rather ask a kid to do something that he majored in, or ask him to do something completely new and outside of his comfort zone? 🤷🏻‍♂️

The kid spent his whole career in the box. That's what he's elite at.

I mean...truthfully...
At some point your Safeties have to play up-top. There's no avoiding that. He has to learn that. But to NEVER put him down where he can truly thrive is kinda wild.
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Could he add size and play LB? Not writing him off, just curious.
 
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I think Day can factor in at either safety spot and he isn’t being mentioned here.

Maybe they haven’t given up on M.Williams either. I personally don’t think he’s shown he can be starting material but maybe this will be a big spring for him.

Worth noting that Poyser got considerable snaps at strong, free, and nickle last year
 
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Coach Macho said:
Would you rather ask a kid to do something that he majored in, or ask him to do something completely new and outside of his comfort zone? 🤷🏻‍♂️

The kid spent his whole career in the box. That's what he's elite at.

I mean...truthfully...
At some point your Safeties have to play up-top. There's no avoiding that. He has to learn that. But to NEVER put him down where he can truly thrive is kinda wild.
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Agree, 100% Macho, and it wasn’t just him being asked to do things he wasn’t good/comfortable at on the team. You saw the same BS on the defensive line and at the linebacker position as well. For the life of me, I just want a defensive coordinator that will play to the strengths of his players and stop trying to fit them into something They’re not good at. Here’s to hoping that Heatherman is finally that guy.
 
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