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Cam Ward; 4300 39 and 7 on 67% plus 5 rushing TDs

TVD: 2700 19 and 12 on 65.8% plus 1 rushing TD

Based on those numbers, is it really crazy to say that if the roster stays as is, meaning we don’t get a Wingo or Williams or JS freak at WR that expecting Beck to be closer to TVD than Ward is this crazy talk?
 

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BoxingRobes said:
lol.

there are plenty of players that start in the P4, not all of them are P4 quality starting quarterbacks.

Emory Williams isn't a P4 starting QB either, and he's started games. TVD, too. He's going to be a 24 year old backup for his old offensive coordinator instead of working for TopGolf and the guy we took is likely the highest paid transfer QB from a national title contending team.

These two players are not the same.

I'd have accepted a Beck -> Kaaya comparison over TVD. TVD stinks.
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So TVD starting 30 plus games at the P4 level is somehow equivalent to Emory starting 2? And somehow starting 30 such games at the P4 level, somehow makes that player not starter material? Okay man…
 
bobbydigius said:
So TVD starting 30 plus games at the P4 level is somehow equivalent to Emory starting 2? And somehow starting 30 such games at the P4 level, somehow makes that player not starter material? Okay man…
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and he stunk in most of them, especially after his initial run as a backup that became the starter.

He showed OVER those 30 games he was unworthy of starting at this level and now is not. The guy you compared him to became the highest paid player on the market...the same market TVD was in.
 
BoxingRobes said:
and he stunk in most of them, especially after his initial run as a backup that became the starter.

He showed OVER those 30 games he was unworthy of starting at this level and now is not. The guy you compared him to became the highest paid player on the market...the same market TVD was in.
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So let’s reframe this because we clearly do not see eye to eye on TVD and arguing about him is pointless now since he is gone. I think there will be a sizeable drop off from Cam to Beck. I still think we can win the ACC with Beck but we won’t be able to put everything on his back and I see Beck putting up similar numbers to his 24 campaign.
 
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MumbleRap said:
TVD isn’t close to Beck. Did y’all not watch him before he got hurt at Wisky? He was god awful there too. TVD is closer to Robert Marve than he is Beck.
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It's insane that people are even writing both names in the same post.

TVD single handedly lost to Middle Tennessee State. He let 6-6 Georgia Tech break his brain. He went for 160 yards 0 TDs and 2 INTs against a 3 win UVA team.

People are trying to compare a 439 yard 3 TD 3 INT performance @ #11 Alabama to absolutely s***ing the bed against 3 win ACC teams. They're trying to compare 175 yards and 3 INTs @ #4 Texas to 163 yards 0 TDs and 2 INTs at home to 3-9 UVA.
 
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bobbydigius said:
Cam Ward; 4300 39 and 7 on 67% plus 5 rushing TDs
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bobbydigius said:
TVD: 2700 19 and 12 on 65.8% plus 1 rushing TD

Based on those numbers, is it really crazy to say that if the roster stays as is, meaning we don’t get a Wingo or Williams or JS freak at WR that expecting Beck to be closer to TVD than Ward is this crazy talk?
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Since you’re going with the most recent success of these two. Comparing with Becks 2023 season: Only passing stats.

Difference from Cam: -359 yards, -11 TDs and -1 INT

Difference from TVD: +1,241 yards, +5 TDS, -6 INT

Now you could also reasonably compare Becks down 2024 season and taking into account Georgias offensive woes…even adding half of their dropped yards he would’ve been within ~~350-400 yards of Cam last season and certainly eclipse 30 TDs last season. We saw how that offense looked without Beck.

He is much closer to Cam than TVD. I don’t think Beck is all world, but maybe he is in a new situation. There’s more evidence to suggest Beck could have an uptick in production closer to Cam than regressing all the way down to TVD.
 
Now that the dust has settled and everything is done I ask this

Happy with Beck or would you prefer mateer? I understand that can't happen.
 
fatnasty187 said:
Now that the dust has settled and everything is done I ask this

Happy with Beck or would you prefer mateer? I understand that can't happen.
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Beggars can’t be choosy. Is what it is at this point. Could’ve done a lot worse so we just gotta roll with Beck.
 
fatnasty187 said:
Now that the dust has settled and everything is done I ask this

Happy with Beck or would you prefer mateer? I understand that can't happen.
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As someone else posted somewhere on here, the simple answer to your question is…



We Beck.
 
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ddann said:
As someone else posted somewhere on here, the simple answer to your question is…



We Beck.
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I figured it was asked. This was my own curiosity. I love Beck. My only complaint, he won't be throwing during spring. Hard to be in sync with receivers by August 30th. Hope I'm wrong. But my gut says otherwise.
 
fatnasty187 said:
I figured it was asked. This was my own curiosity. I love Beck. My only complaint, he won't be throwing during spring. Hard to be in sync with receivers by August 30th. Hope I'm wrong. But my gut says otherwise.
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The recovery from the elbow surgery and how that looks going forward is definitely the big question mark hanging over the whole thing.
 
Groz73Cane said:
No expert here but I can read. Just answering your statement that Ruiz had nothing to do with NIL. Maybe not right at this moment, but Haley Cavinder is still on the roster and plays for the Canes . Just sayin’
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No need for any arguments on this one.

@Hurracanes did not say "Ruiz had nothing to do with NIL" (past tense), he said "he isn't involved with any NIL deals". The word "isn't" is a contraction for is not, and is present tense.

Nijel Pack's deal with LifeWallet was for 2 years. This is Pack's third year at UM.

Similarly, this is the Cavinder twins' third year since they initially transferred to UM in 2022.

Mr. Ruiz PAST TENSE had involvement with NIL. Currently, in the PRESENT TENSE, he has no involvement with NIL.

Hurracanes is correct here.
 
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The Beck to TVD comparisons are crazy so I'm not gonna touch that.

But to argue TVD is not a P4 caliber starter is not a good argument. And to compare that to Emory is even worse.

TVD went into a season having won the starting job 3 times and two different teams. He is absolutely a starting caliber QB. Is he a championship worthy QB? No. But there are hundreds of QBs that never win the job that you never even see play...those are the definition on not a starting caliber player.

Emory never won a starting job. He took over for an injured QB.
 
People seem to not comprehend that there are 60+ P4 programs and >120 FBS programs. People act like if you aren't top 5-10 Qb in all of CFB you're bad. Like if you just set the baseline as an average P4 starter is only a top 30 Qb, well an "Elite" Qb is like top 5, Great is top 10, Good is top 15, Above average is top 20, average is 25-35, below average is 40th, bad is 50 and below... And obviously given that there are 120+ FBS program, well if you're an average starting CFB Qb, that puts you in the 60s overall.... well if QB talent was distributed based on program strength that means that perfectly average CFB Qb is still a P4 starter (even if they'd be a bad P4 starting qb relatively)...

How many of yall can name 15 Qbs clearly better than Beck in P4? How many of yall would actually bet the season on 10 Qbs being better than Beck?

Like just statistically good performers or guys with talent at P4 programs for next season: John Mateer, Sam Leavitt, Garrett Nussmeier, Cade Klubnik, Josh Hoover, Sawyer Robertson, Haynes King, Drew Allar, Chandler Morris, Miller Moss, Fernando Mendoza, Darian Mensah, Kevin Jennings, Kaidon Salter, Jayden Maiava, Kyron Drones, Behren Morton, Nico Iamaleava, Lanoris Sellers, Dylan Raiola, DJ Lagway, Rocco Becht, Brendan Sorsby, CJ Bailey, Jackson Arnold

That's like 25 Qbs. How many of them are you taking above Carson Beck? How many would you bet the season on? How many was it even up for question if we could land?... ... If you're taking Beck above 10 of them on that list that puts Beck clearly in the good to great Qb tier....
 
Here’s where I’m at.

Miami with Beck, no new transfer portalers, and 2024 defense performance = 6-7 wins. But that will not happen. So I don’t understand why we keep thinking Beck needs to be the ******* messiah.

Miami with Beck, no new transfers and the current defensive roster, which I believe is capable of playing to 2023 defense levels (which was meh) = 8-9 wins

Increase the win expectations by + 2 if we bring in a top quartile ACC level WR, Safety, LB and DT … which we will.
 
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