Canes vs who? Elimination game...

[Brian Piccolo]

A large majority of college baseball coaches would take this job if offered

And?

A large majority of college baseball coaches aren't very good.

 

[Fightinibis]

I don't get people hitching about our season but at the same time there are many coaches out their who are probably better than Morris and would kill to have this job

Like who?

People want to fire someone winning 50 games because there might be someone better?

You will miss him when he's gone. That's usually the case.

A large majority of college baseball coaches would take this job if offered

Probably, just due to the tradition and proximity to such a wealth of talent, but they also stay pretty tuned into things like a skipper leaving after CWS appearances, longest post season streak and trouble getting top end recruits on campus...just calling it as it is...there are easier situations where you are a god for just making the post season regularly.

UM

 

[Zbrod95]

these kids are from broward...Coral Springs to be exact not Palm Beach

Oh I'm sorry.

5 minutes from Palm Beach.

Try 20

 

[Zbrod95]

Lol, don't throw insults if your happy with being average in life.

You're the one who's average yet demands excellence of somebody else who is a million times better at his job than you are at anything you've ever done in your life.

Think about that.

I doubt that, maybe a loser who settles to be average like you but not me

 

[mirednmediocrity2]

2 and BBQ.

 

[HurricaneVision]

HurricaneVision;2549852Maybe Morris will need to look at giving more 80% + type scholarships to the bigger arms. He's never given a full scholarship, which kills depth for a team like Miami, but they need a Thomas Hatch who can win a game for you on his own.

This just isn't feasible.

The problem isn't that pitchers don't commit to us. It's that the top arms we sign always get drafted high.

These are some of the pitchers we've lost in the last decade.

Gio Gonzalez (Nationals)
Chris Volstad (Marlins)
Chris Archer (Rays)
A.J. Cole (Nationals)
Luke Jackson (Rangers)
Henry Owens (Red Sox)

Somehow Florida gets these guys on campus. **** if I know.

It's feasible. The way it's feasible is with better evaluations and development of pitchers.

I often bring up Missouri State because that's my alumni and I go to most of their games. Somehow they have gotten five first round picks to school. A few were drafted out of high school, but always late. Most of them just developed and became great pitchers. They've recruited the Louisville Slugger player of the year, who coincidentally pitched in the Gables during the Stony Brook year. He was a 9th round pick or something like that. Matt Hall was the nations strikeout leader last year and he was a 5th round pick of the Red Sox and pitched a CG shutout in the Supers last year.

Maybe Miami couldn't have gotten any of these kids because of what it costs to go there, but Missouri State has never given a full scholarship either, and yet they find arms like this. I don't really even care about their draft status honestly, I just want excellent college pitchers at Miami. This is why I believe Miami needs to do a better job of identifying talent and then developing it.

 

[ILCane2011]

Great season, disappointing end.

This team has to find a way to stop playing so uptight in Omaha. It's like this team just feels to much pressure to win, while our opponents are loose and having fun.

 

[ILCane2011]

HurricaneVision;2549852Maybe Morris will need to look at giving more 80% + type scholarships to the bigger arms. He's never given a full scholarship, which kills depth for a team like Miami, but they need a Thomas Hatch who can win a game for you on his own.

This just isn't feasible.

The problem isn't that pitchers don't commit to us. It's that the top arms we sign always get drafted high.

These are some of the pitchers we've lost in the last decade.

Gio Gonzalez (Nationals)
Chris Volstad (Marlins)
Chris Archer (Rays)
A.J. Cole (Nationals)
Luke Jackson (Rangers)
Henry Owens (Red Sox)

Somehow Florida gets these guys on campus. **** if I know.

It's feasible. The way it's feasible is with better evaluations and development of pitchers.

I often bring up Missouri State because that's my alumni and I go to most of their games. Somehow they have gotten five first round picks to school. A few were drafted out of high school, but always late. Most of them just developed and became great pitchers. They've recruited the Louisville Slugger player of the year, who coincidentally pitched in the Gables during the Stony Brook year. He was a 9th round pick or something like that. Matt Hall was the nations strikeout leader last year and he was a 5th round pick of the Red Sox and pitched a CG shutout in the Supers last year.

Maybe Miami couldn't have gotten any of these kids because of what it costs to go there, but Missouri State has never given a full scholarship either, and yet they find arms like this. I don't really even care about their draft status honestly, I just want excellent college pitchers at Miami. This is why I believe Miami needs to do a better job of identifying talent and then developing it.

Serious question: Have you seen our '17 and '18 recruiting classes?

PG has them ranked #2 and #4 . I think we identify talent fine. It's a matter of getting kids to come to campus

 

[HurricaneVision]

HurricaneVision;2549852Maybe Morris will need to look at giving more 80% + type scholarships to the bigger arms. He's never given a full scholarship, which kills depth for a team like Miami, but they need a Thomas Hatch who can win a game for you on his own.

This just isn't feasible.

The problem isn't that pitchers don't commit to us. It's that the top arms we sign always get drafted high.

These are some of the pitchers we've lost in the last decade.

Gio Gonzalez (Nationals)
Chris Volstad (Marlins)
Chris Archer (Rays)
A.J. Cole (Nationals)
Luke Jackson (Rangers)
Henry Owens (Red Sox)

Somehow Florida gets these guys on campus. **** if I know.

It's feasible. The way it's feasible is with better evaluations and development of pitchers.

I often bring up Missouri State because that's my alumni and I go to most of their games. Somehow they have gotten five first round picks to school. A few were drafted out of high school, but always late. Most of them just developed and became great pitchers. They've recruited the Louisville Slugger player of the year, who coincidentally pitched in the Gables during the Stony Brook year. He was a 9th round pick or something like that. Matt Hall was the nations strikeout leader last year and he was a 5th round pick of the Red Sox and pitched a CG shutout in the Supers last year.

Maybe Miami couldn't have gotten any of these kids because of what it costs to go there, but Missouri State has never given a full scholarship either, and yet they find arms like this. I don't really even care about their draft status honestly, I just want excellent college pitchers at Miami. This is why I believe Miami needs to do a better job of identifying talent and then developing it.

Serious question: Have you seen our '17 and '18 recruiting classes?

PG has them ranked #2 and #4 . I think we identify talent fine. It's a matter of getting kids to come to campus

I put zero stock in college baseball recruiting numbers. Zero.

I'm not interested in what a players pro prospects look like, I'm interested in getting excellent college players to campus. Re-read what I wrote above and you'll understand the point. Thomas Hatch got to school. Shane Bieber got to school. On and on down the line. Teams are getting players to school (more than they used to under the old CBA rules actually). We just haven't identified the ones who are going to be the most productive and probably coming to school, or we haven't developed them well enough. You can't have both.

 

[KeyWestConchs]

HurricaneVision;2549852Maybe Morris will need to look at giving more 80% + type scholarships to the bigger arms. He's never given a full scholarship, which kills depth for a team like Miami, but they need a Thomas Hatch who can win a game for you on his own.

This just isn't feasible.

The problem isn't that pitchers don't commit to us. It's that the top arms we sign always get drafted high.

These are some of the pitchers we've lost in the last decade.

Gio Gonzalez (Nationals)
Chris Volstad (Marlins)
Chris Archer (Rays)
A.J. Cole (Nationals)
Luke Jackson (Rangers)
Henry Owens (Red Sox)

Somehow Florida gets these guys on campus. **** if I know.

It's feasible. The way it's feasible is with better evaluations and development of pitchers.

I often bring up Missouri State because that's my alumni and I go to most of their games. Somehow they have gotten five first round picks to school. A few were drafted out of high school, but always late. Most of them just developed and became great pitchers. They've recruited the Louisville Slugger player of the year, who coincidentally pitched in the Gables during the Stony Brook year. He was a 9th round pick or something like that. Matt Hall was the nations strikeout leader last year and he was a 5th round pick of the Red Sox and pitched a CG shutout in the Supers last year.

Maybe Miami couldn't have gotten any of these kids because of what it costs to go there, but Missouri State has never given a full scholarship either, and yet they find arms like this. I don't really even care about their draft status honestly, I just want excellent college pitchers at Miami. This is why I believe Miami needs to do a better job of identifying talent and then developing it.

Serious question: Have you seen our '17 and '18 recruiting classes?

PG has them ranked #2 and #4 . I think we identify talent fine. It's a matter of getting kids to come to campus

I put zero stock in college baseball recruiting numbers. Zero.

I'm not interested in what a players pro prospects look like, I'm interested in getting excellent college players to campus. Re-read what I wrote above and you'll understand the point. Thomas Hatch got to school. Shane Bieber got to school. On and on down the line. Teams are getting players to school (more than they used to under the old CBA rules actually). We just haven't identified the ones who are going to be the most productive and probably coming to school, or we haven't developed them well enough. You can't have both.

I think this is a great post and spot on, especially as it relates to our pitching. I get that we aren't getting top draft picks to show up, but why aren't we developing guys to the point of having a legitimate #1 ace? Where is our Thomas Hatch or Nathan Bannister? How is it that we go into a season with our #1 being Thomas Woodrey? Why did we have to throw a patched up Eric Erickson out there to start a regional? We are Miami Baseball, but we can't figure out out to land and/ or develop a legitimate ace.

 

[imurcane]

I think finding players that are going to land on campus is certainly one component of recruiting. I think developing kids is another big key for the staff. I think that UF's staff this year is simply amazing. Is that something that is realistic? But if you look at those Gamecock teams that were getting it done, they had some real talent.

How do we get talent like that?

Im pretty disappointed in the season's ending. But we have a talented team. How do we get over the hump?

#3 is going to finish it out. I get it. I think we need a change. It is coming!

It is interesting the NCAA wants the northern schools to have a shot. How about leveling the field between public and private schools?

Anyways, I think we are just a couple of arms and bats away from being competitive in Omaha.

 

[NJshoreCane]

I thought I was done but I just have to have my say.

This year we were a 3 seed, on "paper", the second best team in Omaha. This year our bracket shaped up nicely. This year we had the experience from '15 in Omaha.

What happened??
It took all of 15 minutes to get behind the 8-Ball. 12 strikeouts later we're 0-1.
That's ok, because it takes 2 losses to get bumped. Ready for some fight???
Well, you have to wait for next year. Other than Collin"s bomb, we had 1 hit through 7. Throw in a little sloppy D and we're the first team booking a flight out of dodge.

NOT acceptable.

Everyone here thought we were a top 4 team all year long. Worst case scenario, we HAD to get to the bracket final. That would have been par for this team. We didn't do it.

I'm sorry, but I consider the season a disappointment.

 

[nystateofmind]

I thought I was done but I just have to have my say.

This year we were a 3 seed, on "paper", the second best team in Omaha. This year our bracket shaped up nicely. This year we had the experience from '15 in Omaha.

What happened??
It took all of 15 minutes to get behind the 8-Ball. 12 strikeouts later we're 0-1.
That's ok, because it takes 2 losses to get bumped. Ready for some fight???
Well, you have to wait for next year. Other than Collin"s bomb, we had 1 hit through 7. Throw in a little sloppy D and we're the first team booking a flight out of dodge.

NOT acceptable.

Everyone here thought we were a top 4 team all year long. Worst case scenario, we HAD to get to the bracket final. That would have been par for this team. We didn't do it.

I'm sorry, but I consider the season a disappointment.

Spot on.

I had held off any judgement on Morris throughout the season but this was unacceptable.

 

[caneinpsl]

Morris isn't getting fired. He's retiring in 2 years. Then Gino will be the coach until he retires. Nobody will fire him either.

Complaining about any of the above is spitting in the wind.

This. The plan is set. I have a hard time considering this season a disappointment though. We went into the year having lost a lot of talent. I never thought this was a CWS team going into the season. Supers maybe, but I didn't think we were going to have the bats or pitching to go far. Last years team was more talented IMHO. I do think Morris has adjusted his recruiting a bit, and is getting more of his top recruits on campus than he did 3-8 years ago. But we still seem to have a few too many holes in the roster to put it all together. Sure, that's on Morris, but IMHO we aren't in the hole we were from 2009-2014. Getting to the CWS is a successful season even if the results in Omaha were disappointing in and of themselves. Christ, Ron Fraser only won two tiles in 30 years of coaching here. And he's a HOF coach.

 

[CaneInControl]

This wasn't a CWS team. Heck, last year's team probably shouldn't have been either. We have been extremely fortunate in our path to Omaha the past two years. If we match up with anyone else in the Supers, then we don't go. We didn't play a 2-seed until we faced Arizona. We've been playing our worst baseball at the end of the year. Just because we made an appearance in Omaha doesn't mean we should have been there.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

It's feasible. The way it's feasible is with better evaluations and development of pitchers.

I often bring up Missouri State because that's my alumni and I go to most of their games. Somehow they have gotten five first round picks to school. A few were drafted out of high school, but always late. Most of them just developed and became great pitchers. They've recruited the Louisville Slugger player of the year, who coincidentally pitched in the Gables during the Stony Brook year. He was a 9th round pick or something like that. Matt Hall was the nations strikeout leader last year and he was a 5th round pick of the Red Sox and pitched a CG shutout in the Supers last year.

Maybe Miami couldn't have gotten any of these kids because of what it costs to go there, but Missouri State has never given a full scholarship either, and yet they find arms like this. I don't really even care about their draft status honestly, I just want excellent college pitchers at Miami. This is why I believe Miami needs to do a better job of identifying talent and then developing it.

And Missouri State doesn't win even a fraction as much as we do.

I understand your point but I find it silly when people say that we should run our program like other less successful programs. We do quite well given our constraints. In fact go find another school that does as well with their constraints as we do.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

I put zero stock in college baseball recruiting numbers. Zero.

Oh for sure! Why would you?

I mean it only translates to winning pretty closely.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

How is it that we go into a season with our #1 being Thomas Woodrey? Why did we have to throw a patched up Eric Erickson out there to start a regional?

This is so ironic.

You first admit that we can't get our best arms to campus and that we should do better developing college guys into aces.

Then you complain that we have guys like Woodrey and Erickson as our aces. But those are the good college pitchers you were yearning for!

Woodrey was great last year. He had a 2.88 ERA. Erickson was very good and was hugely valuable (as a # 2 by the way) in 2008.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

#3 is going to finish it out. I get it. I think we need a change. It is coming!

Typical vague and meaningless thoughts.

"We need a change."

"We need new blood!"

"We need more fire!"

Not an ounce of insight in anything these people say.

 

[Brian Piccolo]

This year we were a 3 seed, on "paper", the second best team in Omaha. This year our bracket shaped up nicely. This year we had the experience from '15 in Omaha.

What happened??

The same thing that happened to pretty much every national seed.

After tonight only one national seed will have won a game in Omaha. But somehow our situation is a crisis that requires fanboys to meltdown.

You'd think we were the only national seed to 'crash' out.