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Can we still hate ND for the Cleveland Gary game?

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I will ALWAYS hate ND. The Cleveland Gary call is just one more reason to hate ND. I hate them and UF for dropping us from their schedules and using BS excuses to justify being scared. Lou Holtz said the rivalry had become too big. Does that mean Bama and Auburn should stop playing each other? What about O$U and Michigan? Should they take a few years off and let things cool down a little? ND knew they couldn't get to the National Championship game with us on their schedule every year so they walked away.

Why should one program be able to dictate how they are going to do business? Join a conference in every sport or don't join at all. Neutral site??? Chicago is as neutral for ND as Kabul is to the Taliban.

Holtz left Arkansas and they went on probation. Same for Minnesota and South Carolina. I think I see a trend there, but what about ND? Where was the NCAA KGB when he left there? ND always gets a free pass and the media can't say enough about them even when they're 6-6.
 
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Yes, but they HAVEN'T been GOOD in 2 decades minus the Brady Quinn fluke season. Saban also employs that dirtbag scumbag Pannunzio who helped play a big role in our current mess. What other long list do we have against them? They whipped us this year? Well, we gave up in that game.

Bama is a big money trash program with a coach who **** on the Dolphins. It's really a lot easier than you might think when you get past it's not 1989 anymore.
 
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Strange coincidence to see this thread. I started uploading a tape of that full game to YouTube a couple of hours ago. It should be ready to view soon.

Assuming my account is still approved beyond 15 minutes. I'll throw that in. I haven't uploaded anything for a couple of months, or since my dad's health declined. Twice when he was hospitalized I received copyright claims and had to delete videos so I'm not sure how that impacted my standing on YouTube. Right now it says the video is being processed. It hasn't been rejected due to length. But I've had that happen before, at the very end. It's 3 hours and a few minutes.

I edited the game briefly the past couple of nights, chopping out partial commercials, stuff like that. The Cleveland Gary play was even more outrageous than my memory. You can tell the referees screwed up and thought it was 4th and goal because they completely ignored where the ball was "recovered" by Stonebreaker. His head is at the 2 yard line and the ball is in his chest, at about the one and a half or one and three quarters. Meanwhile, a referee with glasses is emphatically pointing in Notre Dame's direction while marking the spot at the half yard line. He's not concerned about where the ball ended up. He ruled Gary down at the half yard line and nobody on the crew figured it out, that the ball was being handed to Notre Dame mistakenly on downs when really it was 4th and 7 from the 11 yard line. Jimmy Johnson is frantically signaling first down but he didn't run down there nor demand a conference with the referees.

It all happened so quickly. That's what is maddening and stands out, particularly in comparison to today. Musberger and particularly Haden were satisfied it was the correct call. That's why the play is misremembered as a fumble and outside of Canes fans the controversy or realization toward what transpired is not what it should be. A spokesman for the referee crew conceded to a writer for the Sun-Sentinel that the crew had erred, believing it was 4th and goal. That article was printed a day after the game. But instead of increasing scrutiny the story died and the referees clammed up, preferring to let conventional wisdom take over, that it was a fumble and nothing more.

BTW, I'm not convinced we legitimately scored the final touchdown, the one that preceded the failed 2 point attempt with 45 seconds remaining. Andre Brown dove for a low throw in the front right corner of the end zone. The ball squirted out of his hands and out of bounds almost immediately. There's no chance that would be a touchdown today. I'm not sure it was correctly judged at the time. The closest referee signaled touchdown quickly and the nearby referee went along with it. Musberger didn't question it at all, saying "Aren't they something, folks?" almost before the ball got to Brown. But in looking at the replays, or slow motion of the original play, the ball couldn't have been possessed for more than tenths of a second, if Brown fully had control at all. The ball scooted low and out of bounds but was somewhat obscured by all the people in that area. You'll see what I mean when (if) the video is fully viewable.
 
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Yes. That game made me a Cane fan and ND hater. First college fb game I ever saw...and the unfairness was obvious and tore at me.
 
Here's a link to a Los Angeles Times article that spotlights the blown call. Johnson and Walsh said they were told the ball was being awarded on downs. Apparently the controversy was covered in the Miami News, with this section included in the Times article:

"An unnamed official who worked the game admitted that the call had been wrong, according to a report in the Miami News. The newspaper said the official is from the Collegiate Independent Football Officials Assn. and asked not to be identified because the officials group does not permit them to make comments on their calls.

"There was confusion as to whether there was a fumble or not, but there was also a great question about giving Notre Dame the football over on downs," the News quoted the official as saying. "That's why they got the football. There was no fumble. The ruling was the ball went over on downs. We were wrong in doing it, but the truth is we just had a very bad day."



http://articles.latimes.com/1988-10-18/sports/sp-4651_1_notre-dame
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Here's a link to a Los Angeles Times article that spotlights the blown call. Johnson and Walsh said they were told the ball was being awarded on downs. Apparently the controversy was covered in the Miami News, with this section included in the Times article:

"An unnamed official who worked the game admitted that the call had been wrong, according to a report in the Miami News. The newspaper said the official is from the Collegiate Independent Football Officials Assn. and asked not to be identified because the officials group does not permit them to make comments on their calls.

"There was confusion as to whether there was a fumble or not, but there was also a great question about giving Notre Dame the football over on downs," the News quoted the official as saying. "That's why they got the football. There was no fumble. The ruling was the ball went over on downs. We were wrong in doing it, but the truth is we just had a very bad day."



http://articles.latimes.com/1988-10-18/sports/sp-4651_1_notre-dame
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That was the call, no fumble but a turnover on downs, but he made the first down. AAHHHHHH FUCCCCCKKKKK IT !!!!! At least it's not ND vs Uif .... I hope Bama wins by 40
 
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