Brock Berlin's UM Tombstone

[dookie blaylock]

Berlin, Harris, Morris Jr and Sr years:

Berlin 34 TDs 23 INTs
Harris 34 TDs 24 INTs
Morris 42 TDs 19 INTs

I think D$ is on to something.

morris was the only one of those quarterbacks that regressed between his junior and senior seasons. he threw 5 more interceptions during his senior year despite throwing the ball 104 less times than he did during his junior year. harris and berlin both drastically improved in their final seasons.

berlin junior year: 12 TD, 17 INT
berlin senior year: 22 TD, 6 INT

harris junior year: 14 TD, 15 INT
harris senior year: 20 TD, 9 INT

morris junior year: 21 TD, 7 INT
morris senior year: 21 TD, 12 INT

 

[Notsince1985]

Berlin, Harris, Morris Jr and Sr years:

Berlin 34 TDs 23 INTs
Harris 34 TDs 24 INTs
Morris 42 TDs 19 INTs

I think D$ is on to something.

morris was the only one of those quarterbacks that regressed between his junior and senior seasons. he threw 5 more interceptions during his senior year despite throwing the ball 104 less times than he did during his junior year. harris and berlin both drastically improved in their final seasons.

berlin junior year: 12 TD, 17 INT
berlin senior year: 22 TD, 6 INT

harris junior year: 14 TD, 15 INT
harris senior year: 20 TD, 9 INT

morris junior year: 21 TD, 7 INT
morris senior year: 21 TD, 12 INT

I was going to post this. Everyone forgets just how good of a senior season Brock had. We should have won the ACC that year, just choked in the winner take all game against VT (sound familiar?). That year, for once, it was the defense that let us down. Only really "bad" defense Shannon had as a DC (and it wasn't bad compared to the crap we have today, it was bad compared to what Shannon's defenses were from 01-03 and 05-06 statistically).

 

[DiegoCane]

Berlin, Harris, Morris Jr and Sr years:

Berlin 34 TDs 23 INTs
Harris 34 TDs 24 INTs
Morris 42 TDs 19 INTs

I think D$ is on to something.

morris was the only one of those quarterbacks that regressed between his junior and senior seasons. he threw 5 more interceptions during his senior year despite throwing the ball 104 less times than he did during his junior year. harris and berlin both drastically improved in their final seasons.

berlin junior year: 12 TD, 17 INT
berlin senior year: 22 TD, 6 INT

harris junior year: 14 TD, 15 INT
harris senior year: 20 TD, 9 INT

morris junior year: 21 TD, 7 INT
morris senior year: 21 TD, 12 INT

Okay. I'm not sure what your point is though? Only senior seasons count?

 

[asfasfasf]

I didn't win a national championship...

I beat FSU and UF

(It's all that really matters to me)

wtf, he died?

years ago, dude

 

[DMoney]

If you're asking me Harris, Berlin or Morris, I will pick Morris. He is the best passer and best quarterback. The numbers and his draft position will reflect that. And even though he never became great, he made many of the best pure throws we've ever seen at Quarterback U.

People will respond with intangibles and Snickers quotes, but the truth is that Berlin and Harris threw games away. Aside from the UNC game (which Miami still won), you can't say the same for Morris.

This is where I think the defensive performance skews the perception. When Morris got support like he did against Florida, he made enough plays to win. Over the past two years, Miami is giving up 514 yards in its losses. Every team turning into '95 Nebraska on the ground. You can't win with that.

It's disappointing that Morris didn't become great this season. But that doesn't mean he's not good.

 

[SFbayCane]

That's like trying to pick the smartest kid on the short bus.

 

[lauderdaleballer]

If you're asking me Harris, Berlin or Morris, I will pick Morris. He is the best passer and best quarterback. The numbers and his draft position will reflect that. And even though he never became great, he made many of the best pure throws we've ever seen at Quarterback U.

People will respond with intangibles and Snickers quotes, but the truth is that Berlin and Harris threw games away. Aside from the UNC game (which Miami still won), you can't say the same for Morris.

This is where I think the defensive performance skews the perception. When Morris got support like he did against Florida, he made enough plays to win. Over the past two years, Miami is giving up 514 yards in its losses. Every team turning into '95 Nebraska on the ground. You can't win with that.

It's disappointing that Morris didn't become great this season. But that doesn't mean he's not good.

+100000
I think Harris could have been the best of the two or even one of the best qbs to leave the U, but those interceptions killed him... He made a lot of great plays and we was always in the game with him at the helm but he was too reckless with the ball... Maybe it was the passing scheme but when you watch Clemson from 09, UNC 09, and OSU 2010(entire offense had a brain melt-down) you realized that a lot of his games was lost due to his carelessness... Too be fair, the majority of his picks from 09 came from a few games and that was the theme in 2010, and 2011... He'll throw a bulk of his interceptions in 2 or 3 games... Morris hasn't lost us a game as you stated... Too be fair, both Harris and Morris was better than Brock... Morris freshman year and Harris Junior year(both 2010 season) was better than Berlin's first year here... And he was older than both prospects as a junior...

 

[Loafers]

I always find it funny when the Berlin threads work there back up. Go check out his stats against fsu. There were horrible. He had the good comeback against uf. He was avg the other time. I know that everyone likes to give the qb the win like a pitcher, but miami won in spite of him. Yeah, let's give him the credit for one of the most dominant defensive performances ever in the rain by ST. The orange bowl, if u recall we barely scored. Fsu had us shutout until moss took a 1 yds throw to the house, then gore won it in ot. That Tennessee game was one of the worst for me. He was avg, even his sr season. Go look at his game log. Padded stats against crsp

 

[Mico Jones]

I always find it funny when the Berlin threads work there back up. Go check out his stats against fsu. There were horrible. He had the good comeback against uf. He was avg the other time. I know that everyone likes to give the qb the win like a pitcher, but miami won in spite of him. Yeah, let's give him the credit for one of the most dominant defensive performances ever in the rain by ST. The orange bowl, if u recall we barely scored. Fsu had us shutout until moss took a 1 yds throw to the house, then gore won it in ot. That Tennessee game was one of the worst for me. He was avg, even his sr season. Go look at his game log. Padded stats against crsp

Berlin was actually a badass in the shotgun. He would kill it with the current pass concepts and rules. It was Coker's insistence on making him work under center in our pro style ithat kept those numbers down.

 

[MiamiJoe]

One of my favorite UM quarterbacks.

Criminally forced to play in a system that was not his strength.

loved him...strictly a shotgun qb..was very underrated here..easily best since dorsey

a murderer's row of competition he beat for that title

morris, harris, kirby, wright, etc..

He had a good senior season but I still would not rate him ahead of Harris and Morris... Both players had better years than him... His junior year made people yearn for Jacory's junior year... I think his turning point is when they replaced him with Wright for a series and Wright was sacked 3 straight times... After that he started to play better...

I clearly think you are misguided as Brock was far more accomplished than either Harris or Morris and if we had run out of spread offense as our base he probably would have never lost a game. He was 5-6 years ahead of his time but he was 5-0 vs UF and FSU while Harris was 1-2 and Morris was 1-2

 

[lauderdaleballer]

One of my favorite UM quarterbacks.

Criminally forced to play in a system that was not his strength.

loved him...strictly a shotgun qb..was very underrated here..easily best since dorsey

a murderer's row of competition he beat for that title

morris, harris, kirby, wright, etc..

He had a good senior season but I still would not rate him ahead of Harris and Morris... Both players had better years than him... His junior year made people yearn for Jacory's junior year... I think his turning point is when they replaced him with Wright for a series and Wright was sacked 3 straight times... After that he started to play better...

I clearly think you are misguided as Brock was far more accomplished than either Harris or Morris and if we had run out of spread offense as our base he probably would have never lost a game. He was 5-6 years ahead of his time but he was 5-0 vs UF and FSU while Harris was 1-2 and Morris was 1-2

I think you're exaggerating his accomplishment... Everyone performed on a high level except him.... I'm not misguided... He was bad his junior year despite playing in the shot gun, under center etc. As someone pointed out, we had an awesome defense, an amazing special teams and a stellar running game.... You don't change to shut gun because the lone weaklink can't perform at a high level... In 2003 Gore was killing it, then he was injured and Jarret Payton ran like a beast and Moss provide good production as the number 2 back... We had weapons but Brock couldn't get them the ball... He isn't more accomplished... Both Harris and Morris had better senior seasons... This isn't baseball... You don't give a qb a win... Theres no era... The team won... I liked Brock but we have been going overboard with his production... He was really bad on a potential national championship team in 2003... We can't keep saying he was awesome if we geared our offense towards him... No not when everyone else was performing on a high level...

 

[lauderdaleballer]

I always find it funny when the Berlin threads work there back up. Go check out his stats against fsu. There were horrible. He had the good comeback against uf. He was avg the other time. I know that everyone likes to give the qb the win like a pitcher, but miami won in spite of him. Yeah, let's give him the credit for one of the most dominant defensive performances ever in the rain by ST. The orange bowl, if u recall we barely scored. Fsu had us shutout until moss took a 1 yds throw to the house, then gore won it in ot. That Tennessee game was one of the worst for me. He was avg, even his sr season. Go look at his game log. Padded stats against crsp

+10000
We had a NC team in 03... Our back was running hard... We had 3 backs with at least 500 yards and Payton was the leader 985. Our defense was amazing and our special teams was awesome... Brock was the only one to perform on a sub par level...

 

[Loafers]

15 of Brock's 22 td passes his sr season came in 4 games. The other 8 games the guy threw 7 Tds. He dominated gt, Louisville, nc st and wake. 89-158 5tds 9 ints in the 5 games against uf and fsu. Crown him if u want too. But but but he went 5-0. It is an insult to the team to give Brock the credit for those wins.

 

[umhurricane2511]

Agree completely with D$



Kid had the pleasure of playing with a defense primarily made up of future all-pro's