Beckham Stadium Design Released

[Cane7451]

the debate about a 40k stadium being adequate is being had by 2 people, "big enough" say those that attend games and "too small" by those that don't..

You got that backwards... the people that don't go to the games and watch it on TV think 40K will work and the people that go to the stadium knows we sell 50K tickets now. So what if not everyone shows up UM still gets the ticket sales money.

It doesn't matter there is zero chances that Beckham will spend his money building a stadium that fits UM's requirements. I don't want our football team playing in a girly-man soccer stadium since that would make UM the laughing stock of the NCAA.

 

[Cane7451]

Guess everyone ignored this part of the CBS article on parking and restrictions on when that stadium could be used. That would keep us from playing Sat. noon games since the cruise ships would be loading up and Beckham would have the Saturday night when the Heat wasn't playing.;

"Alschuler concedes that the site poses complex “landlord-tenant issues,” including where to put parking for more than 5,000 cars.

But he says traffic and scheduling studies conducted by his team show that games, held mostly at night, would not overlap with cruise ship arrivals or boardings, which take place during the day. And he said a study of parking shows thousands of available spaces within a short walk of the stadium in downtown Miami, with one caveat: the team would pledge not to schedule games at times when the Miami Heat plays at nearby AmericanAirlines Arena."

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/03/24/report-beckham-reveals-open-air-stadium-design-for-portmiami/

 

[CaneFan79]

One, Miami can get out of the Sun Life Stadium contract one way or another and I believe Ross would be reasonable in negotiations. Ross is intelligent and a decent guy sensitive to higher education (look at all his donations) and he knows Sun Life's shortcomings for the University of Miami. Ross knows the problems with Sun Life for the Dolphins as well and don't be surprised if he drops renovation plans at Sun Life for an entirely new stadium, he has the resources and won't be outdone by Beckham in my opinion.

The real questions are the viability of an alternative site; anything less than 40,000 to 45,000 seats plus private suites (at least 30 - 40) and club seating 1,000 - 2,000 is not feasible. I think the Port location would work but it would be also be traffic nightmare and that land might be better suited for Port of Miami development. A small 25,000 seat soccer stadium is a waste of public lands, it will become antiquated and another Marine Stadium. I'm surprised Beckham's group hasn't realized that the University of Miami maybe the key they need for approval.

Remember the one billion dollar tunnel and all the other improvements at Dodge Island are meant to build that area as a world port for the new Panama Canal. Selling out for a tiny soccer only stadium is a waste in my opinion.

Yes, the Port is trying to accommodate the new PANAMAX ships, but the corner of Dodge Island they are looking is too shallow and confined for even smaller cruise ships (the turning basin is on the other side of the island and adjacent Brickell Key makes even shallow draught ship manuvering tricky).

 

[fincane]

the debate about a 40k stadium being adequate is being had by 2 people, "big enough" say those that attend games and "too small" by those that don't..

You got that backwards... the people that don't go to the games and watch it on TV think 40K will work and the people that go to the stadium knows we sell 50K tickets now. So what if not everyone shows up UM still gets the ticket sales money.

It doesn't matter there is zero chances that Beckham will spend his money building a stadium that fits UM's requirements. I don't want our football team playing in a girly-man soccer stadium since that would make UM the laughing stock of the NCAA.

The only two games that sold more than 50k were the Florida game(20k UF fans) and the Wake game that was teacher appreciation day where UM was 3 tickets for the price of 1. So what the **** are you talking about? The one big game a year thing that shouldn't determine whether we look into the Beckham stadium.

 

[CaneFan79]

Yeah, that stadium design is definitely for soccer only. The Beckham group could possibly redesign if they can work something out with UM, but I'm not sure about that since they're the ones funding the project.

It's rather sad that UM have to work with Beckham's group and yet had no say in working with the Marlins' group in trying to accommodate both football and baseball. The city of Miami should have forced the issue, but the general feeling among UM officials is that they wanted the Canes out of the OB all along.

Not much of a Marlins fan, my apologies to those who are; If the Marlins withered and died and the 'Canes were begged by the city to save the stadium the taxpayers funded...Yeah, maybe it could work.

 

[Cane7451]

the debate about a 40k stadium being adequate is being had by 2 people, "big enough" say those that attend games and "too small" by those that don't..

You got that backwards... the people that don't go to the games and watch it on TV think 40K will work and the people that go to the stadium knows we sell 50K tickets now. So what if not everyone shows up UM still gets the ticket sales money.

It doesn't matter there is zero chances that Beckham will spend his money building a stadium that fits UM's requirements. I don't want our football team playing in a girly-man soccer stadium since that would make UM the laughing stock of the NCAA.

The only two games that sold more than 50k were the Florida game(20k UF fans) and the Wake game that was teacher appreciation day where UM was 3 tickets for the price of 1. So what the **** are you talking about? The one big game a year thing that shouldn't determine whether we look into the Beckham stadium.

Wrong UM SOLD 376,857 tickets total last year that was on average 53,837 tickets for every football game in 2013 per UM's link below. Sure not everyone showed up but UM has to pay taxs plus fees to SLS on every ticket sold not people through the gates. You would have to go back to 1999 to see when we sold less than 40K tickets on average to a game. Not to mention UM gets to sell parking at SLS and at Beckham we wouldn't make income from parking. If UM loses more money we will have to spend even less on our football program with much less revenue that will keep them from winning.


Hurricanes Football: Attendance History

 

[fincane]

the debate about a 40k stadium being adequate is being had by 2 people, "big enough" say those that attend games and "too small" by those that don't..

You got that backwards... the people that don't go to the games and watch it on TV think 40K will work and the people that go to the stadium knows we sell 50K tickets now. So what if not everyone shows up UM still gets the ticket sales money.

It doesn't matter there is zero chances that Beckham will spend his money building a stadium that fits UM's requirements. I don't want our football team playing in a girly-man soccer stadium since that would make UM the laughing stock of the NCAA.

The only two games that sold more than 50k were the Florida game(20k UF fans) and the Wake game that was teacher appreciation day where UM was 3 tickets for the price of 1. So what the **** are you talking about? The one big game a year thing that shouldn't determine whether we look into the Beckham stadium.

Wrong UM SOLD on average 53,837 tickets on average for every football game in 2013 per UM's link below. Sure not everyone showed up but UM has to pay taxs plus fees to SLS on every ticket sold not people through the gates. You would have to go back to 1999 to see when we sold less than 40K tickets on average to a game. Not to mention UM gets to sell parking at SLS and at Beckham we wouldn't make income from parking. If UM loses more money we will have to spend even less on our football program with much less revenue that will keep them from winning.


Hurricanes Football: Attendance History

The average can be greatly affected by two games. One when the Gators came in. The other when they sold like 60,000+ tickets to the Wake Forest game and sold 3 tickets for the price of one. Once again, one big game that skews average attendance shouldn't be the determining factor.

 

[Cane7451]

the debate about a 40k stadium being adequate is being had by 2 people, "big enough" say those that attend games and "too small" by those that don't..

You got that backwards... the people that don't go to the games and watch it on TV think 40K will work and the people that go to the stadium knows we sell 50K tickets now. So what if not everyone shows up UM still gets the ticket sales money.

It doesn't matter there is zero chances that Beckham will spend his money building a stadium that fits UM's requirements. I don't want our football team playing in a girly-man soccer stadium since that would make UM the laughing stock of the NCAA.

The only two games that sold more than 50k were the Florida game(20k UF fans) and the Wake game that was teacher appreciation day where UM was 3 tickets for the price of 1. So what the **** are you talking about? The one big game a year thing that shouldn't determine whether we look into the Beckham stadium.

Wrong UM SOLD on average 53,837 tickets on average for every football game in 2013 per UM's link below. Sure not everyone showed up but UM has to pay taxs plus fees to SLS on every ticket sold not people through the gates. You would have to go back to 1999 to see when we sold less than 40K tickets on average to a game. Not to mention UM gets to sell parking at SLS and at Beckham we wouldn't make income from parking. If UM loses more money we will have to spend even less on our football program with much less revenue that will keep them from winning.


Hurricanes Football: Attendance History

The average can be greatly affected by two games. One when the Gators came in. The other when they sold like 60,000+ tickets to the Wake Forest game and sold 3 tickets for the price of one. Once again, one big game that skews average attendance shouldn't be the determining factor.

Do the math. UM SOLD 376,857 tickets total last year. UM has to pay taxes on those tickets and SLS gets a percentage of every ticket sold so those number are correct or the tax people would be putting someone in prison.

 

[Tad Footeball]

My God. Will you people STFU with the lower capacity/lost revenue argument?! Let's even ignore the fact that y'all are assuming that tickets sold were sold at face value by the school (or even had a face value as all the promo tix lack that) and just address that it'd only take a 25-30% individual ticket price hike to account for the 14000 "sold" ticket differential between 54000 and 40000 seats (at a $50 per seat avg cost).

Why are you comparing venues as if ticket cost won't be increased? Our tickets are dramatically underpriced anyway in comparison to other major programs and I personally would gladly pay more. Don't even try to claim that higher ticket cost would leave unsold tickets at this venue either as all we'd have to do is maintain our current 30,000 season ticket holder base to insure sellouts all season. That doesn't even account for the higher cost (due to higher demand) that you could sell unused visitor allotments at or even pass on to the students in the portion of tuition that covers their tix.

 

[Cane7451]

My God. Will you people STFU with the lower capacity/lost revenue argument?! Let's even ignore the fact that y'all are assuming that tickets sold were sold at face value by the school (or even had a face value as all the promo tix lack that) and just address that it'd only take a 25-30% individual ticket price hike to account for the 14000 "sold" ticket differential between 54000 and 40000 seats (at a $50 per seat avg cost).

Why are you comparing venues as if ticket cost won't be increased? Our tickets are dramatically underpriced anyway in comparison to other major programs and I personally would gladly pay more. Don't even try to claim that higher ticket cost would leave unsold tickets at this venue either as all we'd have to do is maintain our current 30,000 season ticket holder base to insure sellouts all season. That doesn't even account for the higher cost (due to higher demand) that you could sell unused visitor allotments at or even pass on to the students in the portion of tuition that covers their tix.

If you think UM will make more money at Beckham's stadium than we do now at SLS you are clueless. Tell me where does UM make up for all the parking lot revenue playing on Dodge Island since there isn't any parking. The idea that people would use mass transit is just too stupid for words since that would destroy all the ticket sales from Canes fans from outside Dade county.

I think some of you want to finance Beckham's MLS team by destroying UM's football revenue. UM sold 376,857 tickets total last year and tell me how they do that with a tiny 40K stadium with very expensive tickets to make up for lost revenue of ticket sales that have been over 40K since the 1999 season and all that parking revenue we get at SLS? If we move to a stadium with only 5,000 parking spaces then we won't even have 20,000 people going to games.

Beckham is just using UM and he has already dropped his stadium size to 20k - 25K and the Port of Miami people are even objecting to crowds that large enough that he gave up concessions of playing games during the day or when the Heat were playing. If the Port of Miami won't let the MLS team play at noon when the cruise ships are loading up at the port they sure won't be letting UM put 40K fans use that stadium during Saturday afternoon and Beckham would have all the bet nights since Beckham doesn't care about UM's Athletic program going bankrupted.

 

[decleated]

Genting was willing to grease everyone hands to get that casino built down there and what happen?
They were willing to renovate a mile of downtown Miami to make it look more pleasing and still no go on the casino..
It's going to be tough to get this approve by the city especially with a UM deal that will cause more traffic..
I have to admit though it would look pretty slick if we had that stadium and the casino part of the downtown skyline..
There is no reason why Miami can't be one of the best cities in the country with our weather and international ties.
Corruption and lack of vision has been holding us back for years..

[video=youtube_share;wfnLzgNi3VQ]http://youtu.be/wfnLzgNi3VQ[/video]

 

[Tad Footeball]

My God. Will you people STFU with the lower capacity/lost revenue argument?! Let's even ignore the fact that y'all are assuming that tickets sold were sold at face value by the school (or even had a face value as all the promo tix lack that) and just address that it'd only take a 25-30% individual ticket price hike to account for the 14000 "sold" ticket differential between 54000 and 40000 seats (at a $50 per seat avg cost).

Why are you comparing venues as if ticket cost won't be increased? Our tickets are dramatically underpriced anyway in comparison to other major programs and I personally would gladly pay more. Don't even try to claim that higher ticket cost would leave unsold tickets at this venue either as all we'd have to do is maintain our current 30,000 season ticket holder base to insure sellouts all season. That doesn't even account for the higher cost (due to higher demand) that you could sell unused visitor allotments at or even pass on to the students in the portion of tuition that covers their tix.

If you think UM will make more money at Beckham's stadium than we do now at SLS you are clueless. Tell me where does UM make up for all the parking lot revenue playing on Dodge Island since there isn't any parking. The idea that people would use mass transit is just too stupid for words since that would destroy all the ticket sales from Canes fans from outside Dade county.

I think some of you want to finance Beckham's MLS team by destroying UM's football revenue. UM sold 376,857 tickets total last year and tell me how they do that with a tiny 40K stadium with very expensive tickets to make up for lost revenue of ticket sales that have been over 40K since the 1999 season and all that parking revenue we get at SLS? If we move to a stadium with only 5,000 parking spaces then we won't even have 20,000 people going to games.

Beckham is just using UM and he has already dropped his stadium size to 20k to 25K and the Port of Miami people are even objecting to crowds that large enough that he gave up concessions of playing games during the day or when the Heat were playing.

I just explained to you that it wouldn't even take that drastic a price hike to make up for the 14000 differential in "sold" tickets. If you want to believe that lack of parking is the end all be all then that's on you. To say that parking would drive the season ticket holder base down from 30000 to 20000 though is just insane. Are you aware that the OB only had 4000 on-site spaces that the school profited from? If we're running a football program that's completely dependent upon parking revenue to exist then we don't have much of a program. Do you seriously think the administration hasn't looked at these numbers? This is the same lady that gladly signed the lease at SLS, she ain't moving and taking some huge financial hit because the view will be prettier.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

Guess everyone ignored this part of the CBS article on parking and restrictions on when that stadium could be used. That would keep us from playing Sat. noon games since the cruise ships would be loading up and Beckham would have the Saturday night when the Heat wasn't playing.;

"Alschuler concedes that the site poses complex “landlord-tenant issues,” including where to put parking for more than 5,000 cars.

But he says traffic and scheduling studies conducted by his team show that games, held mostly at night, would not overlap with cruise ship arrivals or boardings, which take place during the day. And he said a study of parking shows thousands of available spaces within a short walk of the stadium in downtown Miami, with one caveat: the team would pledge not to schedule games at times when the Miami Heat plays at nearby AmericanAirlines Arena."

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/03/24/report-beckham-reveals-open-air-stadium-design-for-portmiami/

I'd be willing to play every single game on a mother ******* Tuesday to get the **** out of that abortion of a stadium.

Not even kidding...we need to break ties from SLS and move closer to campus or at least somewhere in the heart of dade county. Whatever it takes...this needs to happen.

 

[Tad Footeball]

Genting was willing to grease everyone hands to get that casino built down there and what happen?
They were willing to renovate a mile of downtown Miami to make it look more pleasing and still no go on the casino..
It's going to be tough to get this approve by the city especially with a UM deal that will cause more traffic..
I have to admit though it would look pretty slick if we had that stadium and the casino part of the downtown skyline..
There is no reason why Miami can't be one of the best cities in the country with our weather and international ties.
Corruption and lack of vision has been holding us back for years..

[video=youtube_share;wfnLzgNi3VQ]http://youtu.be/wfnLzgNi3VQ[/video]

Genting is going to get what they want eventually. They're just having to grease a few more palms in Tallahassee. Genting is a super powerful outfit too but I'd tend to believe UM has more local sway if this is a city/county only issue. I'm beginning to believe the same people that are so anti this stadium are the ones that were anti the Genting project too. They're probably the same clowns that oppose development across the board. They're usually dorks that moved into recently gentrified areas and think they can control an entire city by whining or portraying Armageddon type scenarios in relation to transit or the environment. "But I live in Wynwood now! Wahhhhhh!!!! Don't build thaaaat!!!!!!"

 

[PUNCICANE]

You got that backwards... the people that don't go to the games and watch it on TV think 40K will work and the people that go to the stadium knows we sell 50K tickets now. So what if not everyone shows up UM still gets the ticket sales money.

It doesn't matter there is zero chances that Beckham will spend his money building a stadium that fits UM's requirements. I don't want our football team playing in a girly-man soccer stadium since that would make UM the laughing stock of the NCAA.

The only two games that sold more than 50k were the Florida game(20k UF fans) and the Wake game that was teacher appreciation day where UM was 3 tickets for the price of 1. So what the **** are you talking about? The one big game a year thing that shouldn't determine whether we look into the Beckham stadium.

Wrong UM SOLD on average 53,837 tickets on average for every football game in 2013 per UM's link below. Sure not everyone showed up but UM has to pay taxs plus fees to SLS on every ticket sold not people through the gates. You would have to go back to 1999 to see when we sold less than 40K tickets on average to a game. Not to mention UM gets to sell parking at SLS and at Beckham we wouldn't make income from parking. If UM loses more money we will have to spend even less on our football program with much less revenue that will keep them from winning.


Hurricanes Football: Attendance History

The average can be greatly affected by two games. One when the Gators came in. The other when they sold like 60,000+ tickets to the Wake Forest game and sold 3 tickets for the price of one. Once again, one big game that skews average attendance shouldn't be the determining factor.

Do the math. UM SOLD 376,857 tickets total last year. UM has to pay taxes on those tickets and SLS gets a percentage of every ticket sold so those number are correct or the tax people would be putting someone in prison.

2 questions

1. did you attend all home games last year?

2. if so, how many of those games had over 50k in attendance?

 

[Cane7451]

My God. Will you people STFU with the lower capacity/lost revenue argument?! Let's even ignore the fact that y'all are assuming that tickets sold were sold at face value by the school (or even had a face value as all the promo tix lack that) and just address that it'd only take a 25-30% individual ticket price hike to account for the 14000 "sold" ticket differential between 54000 and 40000 seats (at a $50 per seat avg cost).

Why are you comparing venues as if ticket cost won't be increased? Our tickets are dramatically underpriced anyway in comparison to other major programs and I personally would gladly pay more. Don't even try to claim that higher ticket cost would leave unsold tickets at this venue either as all we'd have to do is maintain our current 30,000 season ticket holder base to insure sellouts all season. That doesn't even account for the higher cost (due to higher demand) that you could sell unused visitor allotments at or even pass on to the students in the portion of tuition that covers their tix.

If you think UM will make more money at Beckham's stadium than we do now at SLS you are clueless. Tell me where does UM make up for all the parking lot revenue playing on Dodge Island since there isn't any parking. The idea that people would use mass transit is just too stupid for words since that would destroy all the ticket sales from Canes fans from outside Dade county.

I think some of you want to finance Beckham's MLS team by destroying UM's football revenue. UM sold 376,857 tickets total last year and tell me how they do that with a tiny 40K stadium with very expensive tickets to make up for lost revenue of ticket sales that have been over 40K since the 1999 season and all that parking revenue we get at SLS? If we move to a stadium with only 5,000 parking spaces then we won't even have 20,000 people going to games.

Beckham is just using UM and he has already dropped his stadium size to 20k to 25K and the Port of Miami people are even objecting to crowds that large enough that he gave up concessions of playing games during the day or when the Heat were playing.

I just explained to you that it wouldn't even take that drastic a price hike to make up for the 14000 differential in "sold" tickets duing the season. If you want to believe that lack of parking is the end all be all then that's on you. To say that parking would drive the season ticket holder base down from 30000 to 20000 though is just insane. Are you aware that the OB only had 4000 on-site spaces that the school profited from? If we're running a football program that's completely dependent upon parking revenue to exist then we don't have much of a program. Do you seriously think the administration hasn't looked at these numbers? This is the same lady that gladly signed the lease at SLS, she ain't moving and taking some huge financial hit because the view will be prettier.

Don't believe for a second UM could make up for the loss of 14k (98K per season) differential in "sold" tickets including parking revenue by raising tickets prices. Expensive tickets and expensive private parking will lower attendances due to higher $$$ cost. That 40K limits even our sell outs for MAJOR EVENT teams like FSU that really hits UM in the pocket book since we sell those tickets at a much higher price. No way no how since Beckham would be charging UM more for to lease his facility.

BTW, when do we play games since it is clear the Port is objecting to traffic during Saturday's afternoons when the cruise ships and cargo ships are filling up at the Port of Miami? Beckham has conceded to the Port they will only play on Saturday night games and NEVER when the Heat are playing at AAA.

Beckham has already dropped to only 20K-25K in his stadium presentation today since everyone knows 40K is dead on arrival with traffic. Beckham doesn't care about UM and never did. Beckham just wanted to use Canes fans for support to gather acceptances of his Port of Miami site.

 

[Republicane]

This thinking is so backwards. Miami will spend money buying out their lease, and is willing to lose money consistently by moving to a smaller stadium, but apparently spending money to get the program to a level where it will draw at SLS is totally unreasonable and out of the question.

 

[PUNCICANE]

This thinking is so backwards. Miami will spend money buying out their lease, and is willing to lose money consistently by moving to a smaller stadium, but apparently spending money to get the program to a level where it will draw at SLS is totally unreasonable and out of the question.

you got it backwards...

Growing the brand and making it more attractive comes through winning. And competing in a setting that offers a home field advantage helps sell that to fans and recruits, thus bringing more talent and .....ding ding ding....winning.

Anyone who see's a negative in moving to a 40k person stadium with the water and Miami skyline as its backdrop is guilty of going full tard.

 

[Republicane]

This thinking is so backwards. Miami will spend money buying out their lease, and is willing to lose money consistently by moving to a smaller stadium, but apparently spending money to get the program to a level where it will draw at SLS is totally unreasonable and out of the question.

you got it backwards...

Growing the brand and making it more attractive comes through winning. And competing in a setting that offers a home field advantage helps sell that to fans and recruits, thus bringing more talent and .....ding ding ding....winning.

Anyone who see's a negative in moving to a 40k person stadium with the water and Miami skyline as its backdrop is guilty of going full tard.

You know what would help win games and would be cheaper than buying out a lease, investing in a new stadium, and sacrificing ticket revenue for decades to come? Spending a fraction of what that all would cost on firing the current coaches who have no idea what they are doing and hiring some that do.

Moving to a shared stadium that seats 40k will be UM waving the white flag that they are no longer serious about ever being a big time college program again. I don't care how good the view is.

 

[Canesfan1899]

This would give this program a major positive boost. Sun life is a joke and it's embarrassing to have recruits visit and see all the empty seats