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JayCane20 said:
I don’t think we get the class we were lead to believe. Some still holding that hope when it’s pretty obvious how this is gonna shake out.

But I’d rather it be going like this than what’s gonna happen to Florida.. recruiting top 2-3 just to go 5-7 and then fall into the 15-25 range.

We’ll sit 15-25 and then climb into the top 15 after winning 8ish games.
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That’s a tough pill to swallow. Recruiting was all we had left. If this plays out, it will get rocky for Mario quick. That a poor return on 8 million per.
 
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JayCane20 said:
I don’t think we get the class we were lead to believe. Some still holding that hope when it’s pretty obvious how this is gonna shake out.

But I’d rather it be going like this than what’s gonna happen to Florida.. recruiting top 2-3 just to go 5-7 and then fall into the 15-25 range.

We’ll sit 15-25 and then climb into the top 15 after winning 8ish games.
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Appreciate you keeping it a buck. In your honest opinion, what’s lacking? We all know Mario didn’t forget how to recruit, and a glaring weakness from the previous staff was their inability to hold their own weight recruiting-wise. Is the new staff any better? Is our NIL not even remotely close to what we were led to believe it is? Is the Miami staff getting played?

Sucks because Mario was brought to routinely bring in top 10 classes. He was allegedly given full financial backing and him personally, a hefty check. Having this discussion before Year 2 even takes place is slightly concerning.

I sort of agree with the UF take but again, we’ll see if money truly talks and more guys stick than people believe. Their class will be a fascinating case study. I’ll trade off-season champs for actual wins on the field, however.
 
Page305 said:
Oh Judd definitely plays apart....

But what you're telling me is our so-called CLASS AMBASSADOR has no impact on our recruiting?? Then WTF is he..... You know what? Alright man, nevermind. Y'all change up recruiting rules too much for me lol. You got it bro!
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"class ambassador" is just an honorary title that is meaningless when it comes to factors that affect a recruit's decision
 
JayCane20 said:
I don’t think we get the class we were lead to believe. Some still holding that hope when it’s pretty obvious how this is gonna shake out.

But I’d rather it be going like this than what’s gonna happen to Florida.. recruiting top 2-3 just to go 5-7 and then fall into the 15-25 range.

We’ll sit 15-25 and then climb into the top 15 after winning 8ish games.
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This has been trending this way for a few months, unfortunately. The numbers are just too hard to ignore. I guess you can hold out hope that we sneak into the top 10 but with the amount of 3* kids we are taking and their collective aggregate ranking, we are not in a good place to match last year, let alone a top end class. I know everyone wants us to be the exception to the rule of recruiting rules but it’s not probable. One out of four of our commits isn’t even rated in the top 1000 😳😳
 
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bobbydigius said:
That’s a tough pill to swallow. Recruiting was all we had left. If this plays out, it will get rocky for Mario quick. That a poor return on 8 million per.
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I can’t do the stars don’t matter, trust the process thing. A number of those four and five stars are where they’re ranked or close enough for good reason. Like if David Stone is overrated and should be a high 4 star instead of a 5 star, that’s still a legit blue chip player. Same with all those DL we’ve heard about. People can’t dismiss that and say evals. We need those guys too plus the evals.

The whiffs on the OL are inexplainable to me. It raises NIL questions in my mind. Talk about flipping gator commits when they win 4 games is fine as an extra but if that becomes a key component of our plan, then that’s not a sound plan and it’s indicative of bigger problems. And if they fixed their NIL issues then they might not flip like the old days.

We’ll know what we have by the end of July. Come August, it’ll be clear where we stand. In the meantime, there’s a number of players who haven’t committed yet who we’re targeting so some things can still go our way.
 
RVACane said:
I can’t do the stars don’t matter, trust the process thing. A number of those four and five stars are where they’re ranked or close enough for good reason. Like if David Stone is overrated and should be a high 4 star instead of a 5 star, that’s still a legit blue chip player. Same with all those DL we’ve heard about. People can’t dismiss that and say evals. We need those guys too plus the evals.

The whiffs on the OL are inexplainable to me. It raises NIL questions in my mind. Talk about flipping gator commits when they win 4 games is fine as an extra but if that becomes a key component of our plan, then that’s not a sound plan and it’s indicative of bigger problems. And if they fixed their NIL issues then they might not flip like the old days.

We’ll know what we have by the end of July. Come August, it’ll be clear where we stand. In the meantime, there’s a number of players who haven’t committed yet who we’re targeting so some things can still go our way.
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Understandably we all want a class filled with 4&5 star kids. Everyone takes some 3 stars and that’s where a staff’s ability to identify talent really makes a difference. Hopefully some of these 3 star kids are just under ranked or not fully developed.

What I don’t understand is all of the second guessing and talk of doom gloom and failure. I keep circling back to a simple question. Does anyone think Mario forgot how to recruit? The guy is an elite recruiter. He will bring in some blue chips. If we end up at 7-10 range is he a failure? If it’s due to NiL what can anyone do about it? I just can’t understand *****ing about an unfinished product at this point.
 
Gonna have to win | show improvement consistently at this point, really the only way
 
JgDaCane said:
This is true. We would have been thrilled about this a few years back. I think the bar has just been set so high with Mario. Which is a good thing.
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Good points by both. Ideally we are a national program getting 5 star guys, while also not letting any of these local stars under the radar slip through our grasp to fill out classes

Gonna take some time and definitely some winning years to get it going but you can see little hints of hope I think. Or maybe I’m just eternally optimistic
 
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CDWright40 said:
Understandably we all want a class filled with 4&5 star kids. Everyone takes some 3 stars and that’s where a staff’s ability to identify talent really makes a difference. Hopefully some of these 3 star kids are just under ranked or not fully developed.

What I don’t understand is all of the second guessing and talk of doom gloom and failure. I keep circling back to a simple question. Does anyone think Mario forgot how to recruit? The guy is an elite recruiter. He will bring in some blue chips. If we end up at 7-10 range is he a failure? If it’s due to NiL what can anyone do about it? I just can’t understand *****ing about an unfinished product at this point.
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What some don't take into account is 4 of our 3* commits, Pruitt, Shavers, Mack & Thomas are 4* on at least 1 of the 4 services. So looking at it that way, you can say we have 7 4*'s and 7 3*'s.
 
CDWright40 said:
Understandably we all want a class filled with 4&5 star kids. Everyone takes some 3 stars and that’s where a staff’s ability to identify talent really makes a difference. Hopefully some of these 3 star kids are just under ranked or not fully developed.

What I don’t understand is all of the second guessing and talk of doom gloom and failure. I keep circling back to a simple question. Does anyone think Mario forgot how to recruit? The guy is an elite recruiter. He will bring in some blue chips. If we end up at 7-10 range is he a failure? If it’s due to NiL what can anyone do about it? I just can’t understand *****ing about an unfinished product at this point.
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I don’t disagree. We’ll know by the end of July though. I have no idea if he’s landing these DLs others have said he’s landing. But we can’t not land some of the high tier, highly ranked players we’ve prioritized and just say trust the process and evals as a substitute when that would be a clear whiff and indicative of a bigger problem. No way do I think he can’t recruit but I will 100% think that there’s an NIL issue compounding last season’s results and fallout.

The gator is absolutely paying after an NIL debacle and a ****** year too. No way Billy’s a better recruiter apples to apples than Mario even with the SEC label. They’re top 2-3 now.

Like I said and been saying - a few more weeks man. Things will clear up. In the meantime, we were late on Barney compared to Nebraska but the effort is apparently there by our guys so hopefully some good news tonight.
 
JgDaCane said:
I've heard 2 of our good insiders say. "You think Ruiz is the only billionaire we have". If thats true then we to dough to hang with anyone you'd imagine.
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That’s not the issue. I have known one or more of our biggest money people going back a long time and I can tell you that everything has a value and a value to an individual. And if the value to a billionaire is not worth as much as it is to a multi-millionaire, that’s all the less rich man, woman or group needs to get ahead. Teams also have different priorities and needs.

Additionally, just because we have guys swimming in money, doesn’t mean they will carry the entire load. The gator for instance has plenty of rich alumns and a much broader base. Texas, aTm… same and then some.
 
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RVACane said:
That’s not the issue. I have known one or more of our biggest money people going back a long time and I can tell you that everything has a value and a value to an individual. And if the value to a billionaire is not worth as much as it is to a multi-millionaire, that’s all the less rich man, woman or group needs to get ahead. Teams also have different priorities and needs.

Additionally, just because we have guys swimming in money, doesn’t mean they will carry the entire load. The gator for instance has plenty of rich alumns and a much broader base. Texas, aTm… same and then some.
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Of course but those statements were made in context that we had healthy NIL packages to deploy to land a great class.
 
Hurracanes said:
They wanted this kid so they are going to celebrate, and rightfully so. Let’s give him and Zo the proper time to see if this kid becomes a gamer before discrediting this take because a bunch of corrupted idiots in recruiting websites do not give him a 4 star.

Mario is paid $8million to put the best team together to win a championship. Stars do not matter if your evaluations and development game is strong.
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You still need the elites of the elite. You aren’t going to the playoffs and winning Championships with a mojority 3 star recruiting class.
 
bobbydigius said:
Of course but those statements were made in context that we had healthy NIL packages to deploy to land a great class.
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Other schools may have healthier NIL packages. Last year we jumped out towards the front in NIL. It’s been a year. I suspect that other schools watched, learned and prepared themselves better this time and are paying more to get recruiting wins, including payments to commit and “shut down”. Just because we’re offering a lot of $ doesn’t mean other people haven’t caught up.
 
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JgDaCane said:
So then being a "recruiter" in todays day & age is overrated. Better off having NIL & an X's & O's guy.
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I think to a large part things have changed in this direction. You still need an elite recruiter to fill out the class and win close battles. But money is talking openly. Just look at the gator. There’s no explanation for them being where they’re at right now based on results and their HC and his offense.

We’ll see where we stand soon enough though.
 
RVACane said:
I don’t disagree. We’ll know by the end of July though. I have no idea if he’s landing these DLs others have said he’s landing. But we can’t not land some of the high tier, highly ranked players we’ve prioritized and just say trust the process and evals as a substitute when that would be a clear whiff and indicative of a bigger problem. No way do I think he can’t recruit but I will 100% think that there’s an NIL issue compounding last season’s results and fallout.

The gator is absolutely paying after an NIL debacle and a ****** year too. No way Billy’s a better recruiter apples to apples than Mario even with the SEC label. They’re top 2-3 now.

Like I said and been saying - a few more weeks man. Things will clear up. In the meantime, we were late on Barney compared to Nebraska but the effort is apparently there by our guys so hopefully some good news tonight.
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I’d say we don’t have an NIL problem until signing day comes and goes and we don’t land some of the big guys we are after. We all live in an echo chamber of college football and Miami/FSU/UF and Paul Finebaum etc. everyone is on Twitter and the like saying Ruiz is broke. You read things enough and you start to believe them whether it’s true or not. I think everyone needs to just chill out.
 
CDWright40 said:
I’d say we don’t have an NIL problem until signing day comes and goes and we don’t land some of the big guys we are after. We all live in an echo chamber of college football and Miami/FSU/UF and Paul Finebaum etc. everyone is on Twitter and the like saying Ruiz is broke. You read things enough and you start to believe them whether it’s true or not. I think everyone needs to just chill out.
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I mean nothing is done til then but I feel like we’ll know a lot at the end of the month.
 
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