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rccollins said:
i am also not a hater of this staff.. i am giving them time.. however that first quote about jaquan- and how we forgot about the growing pains.. uh,.. no.. jaquan was great from the very beginning.
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LOL. Revisionist history at its finest.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
Seriously. The people who call themselves fans of this program are so retarded and toxic and negative, that you can't even have a coach give a quote to the media without every syllable being dissected. Yeah dude, tackling is important. Ask Kadarius Toney about it.
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some of our fans so biased they hope we dont win so they can complain
 
LuCane said:
Interesting metric for who gets on the field. Sometimes it's about how guys prepare and practice. Sometimes it's about how they 100% perform in games. I'm not an anti-Banda guy, as I really don't care to judge position coaches without being in the room or knowing all the playcalls and how they affect specific positions. Just wondering how we measure this and make decisions.

Tackling definitely matters, of course, and especially in a defense so [previously] wild up front. You know what else matters for Safeties? RANGE to even get to spots.

Anyway. I'll just watch this month and see what happens.
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Pretty much he is saying if you at least get beat make the **** tackle lol
 
Cane47 said:
Lol. No.

I know you are not being serious but if a football player takes himself out of position to even make a tackle, that would obviously be a negative (even though he may not technically get criticized for missing a tackle he didn’t try to make).

As to Knowles or any of our safeties, the analysis isn’t just simply based on solely how many tackles he made. The coaches assuredly don’t look at these things in a vacuum and don’t compare apples to oranges. Their are many factors that go into their analysis.
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Maybe you overestimate Bandas football intelligence but he literally said the only thing that matters to him about Bubba is his tackling. I’ve noticed since Banda has been here our safeties are deficient in down and distance recognition and recognizing matchup that are in the offenses favor like a LB matched up with a receiver for instance.
 
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Bubbacane10 said:
Just curious how do you feel about Banda?
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Kind of hard for me to answer that, as I've never worked with him or been coached by him. I would say on the surface, he didn't deserve the job that he got when he was hired with the resume he had. But he's had some success here, he's a high energy guy, seems to be a smart guy, and I think he'd be able to parlay this job into a similar one.

When I look at coaches, I generally evaluate them by how they're perceived by their peers. D'Onofrio, for example. We all knew the guy was a flaming bag of dogchit, and when he got canned, the only people who'd talk to him was the boys and girls club of Kendall. Then he went to Houston, was awful there again (of course), and I don't believe he's working anywhere now. The coaching fraternity is loyal to a fault. Once you're "in", you've got to display serious retardation to be out. That's D'Onofrio. He's totally useless, and his peers recognize it. That's a schhitty coach. Pat Nix was the same way. These guys ALWAYS get other jobs....the bad ones get demotions (Shannon, Randy), the good ones get lateral jobs or promotions, and the REALLY terrible ones fade into oblivion and open a camp (Richt, Jon).

I believe Banda has done enough to parlay this job into an equivalent one. Similar to Todd Hartley. I don't think Banda would get a P5 DC job right now if he left, but he may get some consideration, taking into account his group's performance, his reputation, and the success Manny has had here with the defense. So, is Banda a great coach? Probably not. Is he ruining the program, like Pat Nix and Jon Richt did? No. But you can't have 10 Banda's on your coaching staff. You've got to have some established pedigree. I think that's what Manny was shooting for with the Enos hire. But overall, it's a pretty weak staff. Compared to what you see on the staff's of many of the top 20 programs, it's an underwhelming staff overall.
 
LuCane said:
Interesting metric for who gets on the field. Sometimes it's about how guys prepare and practice. Sometimes it's about how they 100% perform in games. I'm not an anti-Banda guy, as I really don't care to judge position coaches without being in the room or knowing all the playcalls and how they affect specific positions. Just wondering how we measure this and make decisions.

Tackling definitely matters, of course, and especially in a defense so [previously] wild up front. You know what else matters for Safeties? RANGE to even get to spots.

Anyway. I'll just watch this month and see what happens.
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why bother recruiting blue chippers when this university continues to live in this world of the super hard working non athletic veteran plays over, and takess reps from, the young future NFL guy,
 
Canesince02 said:
Maybe you overestimate Bandas football intelligence but he literally said the only thing that matters to him about Bubba is his tackling. I’ve noticed since Banda has been here our safeties are deficient in down and distance recognition and recognizing matchup that are in the offenses favor like a LB matched up with a receiver for instance.
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Please see below excerpt from another poster at post # 18 regarding what Banda literally said.

But in any case, apply any amount of common sense and you would know he does not believe that the literal "only" thing that matters is tackling. Otherwise they wouldn't practice anything except tackling. As a coach (or any sort of manager) you need to focus your time on what matters most, and for safeties in this defense, it's tackling. He's being hyperbolic to make sure his kids focus on tackling.

But go ahead and fabricate this weird Banda tackling strawman in your head if you need an excuse to get angry.

As to your other point I haven’t really paid attention to or noticed that so much, but yes there was at least that frustrating 4th and 17 play by UNC where our safety seemed to be too far behind the receiver and the first down marker.
Overall, one of the major things that sticks out to me since Banda has been here in his relatively short three years is that four (4) safeties that played under him: I.e. (1) Rayshawn Jenkins (2) Jamal Carter (3) Jaquan Johnson and (4) Sheldrick Redwine are all playing in the NFL
 
Stefan Adams said:
So far this season, the Canes have gone from the best pass defense in FBS (2018) to currently just inside the top 50 at #49 overall with 209.8 passing ypg allowed.

Safeties coach Ephraim Banda credits the offenses Miami’s played to this point and feels that the youth in the secondary is still finding their way; the Canes are replacing 3 seniors on the back end that were drafted into the NFL.

“We have seen good talent at QB, good receivers. We’re a young secondary trying to figure it out,” Banda said. “Everyone forgets what it was like when Jaquan (Johnson) and (Sheldrick) Redwine were young guys, the group we had before that. It’s growing pains, part of it. It’s not going to be, ‘Add water, instant player’… That’s part of growing up.

UM has played more of a mix of zone and man coverage in the secondary than in years past, but Banda feels that’s had more to do with the opponents they’ve played rather than a wholesale change in philosophy.

“I wouldn’t say it has anything to do with scheme, and it’s not necessarily always what Pro Football Focus is saying it is,” Banda said. “We’re doing a good job mixing it up between 1-high and 2-high, and making sure much like we did a couple of years ago that we can do everything well. We don’t want to just do one thing really good and one thing poorly. With a young secondary we’re taking the same approach as two years ago, making sure we can do both and do it well… and it has a lot to do with who we’re playing in terms of the scheme, not who we are, if that makes sense.”
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Other programs don't seem to have growing pains issues. It's generally the same teams at the top of pass defense rankings year after year. Those are teams that play predominantly press-man coverage or physical matchup zones.

We don't need to do everything well. Clemson is the only team we could theoretically face that have the talent in the pass game to necessitate more soft zone or off-man coverage. I'd argue that Miami hasn't executed spot-drop zone defense well in over a decade. It's too easy for modern offenses to exploit and you need highly intelligent DBs and a dominant pass rush to make it work. Honestly I can't think of a single team in college or the pros who excels at the kind of zone coverages Miami has been calling this year.

This is a case of coaches putting their egos ahead of the team and deciding that they need to have the "perfect call" every down instead of just trusting their players to win their matchups and make the opponent earn completions. I don't care what your film study tells you about opportunities to call a certain blitz and/or coverage against a specific look...it's irrelevant when the players don't execute it. Receivers getting free releases into voids in the zone (with defenders spot dropping and covering grass) = death. Every **** time.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
Seriously. The people who call themselves fans of this program are so retarded and toxic and negative, that you can't even have a coach give a quote to the media without every syllable being dissected. Yeah dude, tackling is important. Ask Kadarius Toney about it.
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It’s the most toxic fanbase I’ve been around and it’s not close.
 
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Cribby said:
It’s the most toxic fanbase I’ve been around and it’s not close.
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Not remotely close. But you gotta understand (and I’m sure you do) the vast majority of “fans” of this program are incredibly uneducated. Outside of pretty much Miami and USC/UCLA, fans of other programs are made up predominantly of alumni of that school....aka college educated people. Not all, but most. The fans of this program are not only not UM grads, but the majority aren’t grads of anything except maybe lawnmower safety training. So, you have to take it with a grain of salt. Uneducated people are who they are....they’re easily influenced, sheep, reactionary, non-critical thinkers, and rarely are able to see both sides of constructive thoughts. So you have to know who you’re talking to. There are certainly a lot of smart Miami fans who were educated formally either at UM or elsewhere. But those are the minority, whereas most other fanbases, that’s the majority. So what do you get? This toxic tumor of sewage nonsense that most UM followers spew because they have no ability to think critically.

And ****heads who fly banner planes.
 
Let athletes be athletes: we supposedly recruit South Florida kids that spent there whole careers playing man to man : then we start zoning up why. We turned aggressive kids into zone zombies, they don't react to the ball, they just sit there and wait for the receiver to catch the ball then go tackle the kid. Just drives me crazy how we just give folks free releases at the line of scrimmage, and just settle in gaps in the zone. God at least chuck the receiver and destroy the timing.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Kind of hard for me to answer that, as I've never worked with him or been coached by him. I would say on the surface, he didn't deserve the job that he got when he was hired with the resume he had. But he's had some success here, he's a high energy guy, seems to be a smart guy, and I think he'd be able to parlay this job into a similar one.

When I look at coaches, I generally evaluate them by how they're perceived by their peers. D'Onofrio, for example. We all knew the guy was a flaming bag of dogchit, and when he got canned, the only people who'd talk to him was the boys and girls club of Kendall. Then he went to Houston, was awful there again (of course), and I don't believe he's working anywhere now. The coaching fraternity is loyal to a fault. Once you're "in", you've got to display serious retardation to be out. That's D'Onofrio. He's totally useless, and his peers recognize it. That's a schhitty coach. Pat Nix was the same way. These guys ALWAYS get other jobs....the bad ones get demotions (Shannon, Randy), the good ones get lateral jobs or promotions, and the REALLY terrible ones fade into oblivion and open a camp (Richt, Jon).

I believe Banda has done enough to parlay this job into an equivalent one. Similar to Todd Hartley. I don't think Banda would get a P5 DC job right now if he left, but he may get some consideration, taking into account his group's performance, his reputation, and the success Manny has had here with the defense. So, is Banda a great coach? Probably not. Is he ruining the program, like Pat Nix and Jon Richt did? No. But you can't have 10 Banda's on your coaching staff. You've got to have some established pedigree. I think that's what Manny was shooting for with the Enos hire. But overall, it's a pretty weak staff. Compared to what you see on the staff's of many of the top 20 programs, it's an underwhelming staff overall.
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Thank you for taking time out to respond, I appreciate it. I agree with your assessment on Banda, he's had some success and played an important role in rayshawn and sheldrick's development here. In my opinion(which doesn't matter lol), I don't believe he's Miami caliber. He's rode mannys coat tail most of his career being in Manny's "fraternity" like you said. I want to think he's smart, but if #20 gets more snaps the rest of the year over bubba, well then he's the ding dong I thought he was. I don't care that bubba's new to this defense, new to Miami, he's the better option at safety by a country mile. Banda has to realize the benefit of having bubba's range and ability to cover compared to #20's open field missed tackles.

I'm also still a little salty he dropped the ball with Derrick smith. How he and Manny mismanaged that is beyond me
 
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htownkidd said:
Big difference between tackling being most important to him and it being "the ONLY thing that matters" as you put it. But of course, carry on with your narrative.
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“Bubba’s reps will be completely 100% a result of how he tackles,” Banda said. “If Bubba tackles, Bubba will play.”

“We’re never going to change our philosophy of what gets you on the field at the University of Miami - you tackle, you will play. If you don’t tackle, you won’t play.

“If he does that, he’ll play a bunch. And if he doesn’t, everyone will know why. But at the end of the day I think Bubba will tackle.”
 
Bubbacane10 said:
Thank you for taking time out to respond, I appreciate it. I agree with your assessment on Banda, he's had some success and played an important role in rayshawn and sheldrick's development here. In my opinion(which doesn't matter lol), I don't believe he's Miami caliber. He's rode mannys coat tail most of his career being in Manny's "fraternity" like you said. I want to think he's smart, but if #20 gets more snaps the rest of the year over bubba, well then he's the ding dong I thought he was. I don't care that bubba's new to this defense, new to Miami, he's the better option at safety by a country mile. Banda has to realize the benefit of having bubba's range and ability to cover compared to #20's open field missed tackles.

I'm also still a little salty he dropped the ball with Derrick smith. How he and Manny mismanaged that is beyond me
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Rayshawn? 🤣🤣
 
mbuendia said:
Hyperbole or not he said it. If he meant something else he could have easily said “tackling is the most important thing.”

him starting Knowles over Hall is all the proof u need that the only trait he gives 2 ***** about is tackling cause Knowles can’t do a **** thing but make tackles 30 yards downfield. He sure as **** has no speed or coverage ability that helps when playing Safety.
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Yeap!
 
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