Bain at DE

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lol true, waited until his soph year but I will be candid that while I always want former Canes to do well and show out in the NFL regardless of where they end up when they are at Miami I am albeit selfish that I want what is best for the team.

Aside from what OP pointed out which are the talking points I have seen, why is it that Messidor, also a big DE, is better suited at DT than Bain at DT?

Have we seen Bain at DT really at all this season? Legit question I just simply dont recall. Maybe what we saw Saturday was a flash in the pan but Messidor made the defense look MUCH better when he was at DE as I dont think he is even an above average DT but he is obviously better than what is behind him. If we are all about winning and we have a dearth of DE but need DT help maybe just try him out against Syracuse and see what happens. He may grow out of being a DE next year but if we had 4 bains we likely dont give a **** about the line. He is a good problem to have in that you want him to play every position on the DL because he is that good at each one.

After the VT game I was worried that Bain would have to take some snaps at DT when he came back, since Mesidor was such a liability there. Bain at DT only made sense as a desperation move, and honestly he'd probably only have been marginally better than Mesidor there.

Clark/Moten/Cook have all played much better as the season has gone on, and the coaches are comfortable enough getting Justin Scott ~10 snaps a game at DT. So that's 5+ guys we can rotate at DT while keeping Mesidor and Bain at DE where they're really good-great. Horton got a few snaps on Saturday too, so we should have enough bodies at DT to finish out the year.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

Most of the wanting Bain to move inside is bc we don’t have anybody better than him at DT. It’s about switching Mesidor and Bain for the better of the team. Story as old as time. Take a kid who’s really really good at his position and move him bc the coaching staff didn’t do their job and recruit good enough at the other position.

 

[PRcane787]

I’d like to see him return some punts..

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Could he return kicks is the question?

 

[Shooter McGavin]

He’s faster than Joseph and Johnson I’ll tell you that

 

[BigWindyCane1]

Bain didn’t get credit for that sack and safety against Louisville, but he made that play. And the sack he had against Wake was an NFL move against the RT.

Bain is a future NFL player and if he is healthy next season, it will be his final season in a Canes uniform before he leaves for the NFL

 

[SinCityCane]

I don't get the obsession with moving everybody inside. Look what it did to Messidor's production. One of, if not the best freshmen at DE last year and you want to move him inside after six games coming off an injury? Bain has not been the problem...

 

[Bender]

1. Bain shouldn't be playing inside on pass rush. DE with Mesidor.

2. Give Campbell burn on pass rush snaps...

 

[Groz73Cane]

1. Bain shouldn't be playing inside on pass rush. DE with Mesidor.

2. Give Campbell burn on pass rush snaps...

How about we let the “Dancing Bear” Justin Scott play his natural position, DT,..and keep Bain outside. Just sayin’

 

[Gables Cane]

Bain is a defense end IMHO. Leave him there.

The question we should be asking ourselves is whether having two larger sized defense ends (Bain and Mesidor) that lack elite speed is hurting our pash rush.

I don’t know the answer to that question, but I do know we have been inconsistent in applying pressure off the edge. I also know that Baron is not the answer as his liabilities (setting the edge, playing the run) outweigh his assets (speed, athleticism). That’s why we are forced to play Mesidor and Bain, at defensive end at the same time. Ideally, you’d like to have a complimentary edge player with more speed who is not a liability against the run. But, alas, Baron has not lived up to that billing.

Hopefully, Alston gets healthy soon or players like Pickett and Bryant step up.

 

[NE Canes]

He is also very often facing double teams much more so than last year.

 

[TwentySix]

Well at least we waited until he put together a freshman all American season first

Normally we do this when they are in high school

This conversation was definitely happening before he stepped foot on campus lol

Agree with your point about the line getting healthy at the right time. Moten has been really good. Clark looked like his NC State self on Saturday. If we can get consistent play out of those two next to Barrow and put Mesidor and Bain on the edge, kick them inside on some third downs with Alston if he can get healthy and Baron if he can just get his head on straight, we could hit our stride at the right time.