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I have read a lot of scuttlebutt about Bain playing out of position and that he need to move to DT. This is based on the following:

1. He is having a down year. Is that accurate? He has played 6 full games. He probably should have sat against Cal, but he played. He has 3.5 sacks recorded. He had one sack erased because of a moronic facemask penalty by Baron. He also did not get credit for causing a sack against Duke for some odd reason. So at a minimum he has 5 sacks in 6 games. That is a projected 10 sacks over 12 games. This would be top 10 in the nation. Could he have played better against GT? They all could have. So stats do not support this argument.

2. He should be playing DT because that is his position in the NFL. He is not fast enough off the edge. Is that accurate? I am not so sure. I watched Brandon Graham, Eagles DE who is basically the same build as Bain, wreck the Rams last night. He did it off the edge with power and force, not speed. Routinely you see Chris Jones blow up a an OT with power and force. Trey Hendrickson leads the league in sacks. He is not a speed rusher. He is brute force with some well timed moves. So again, the argument does not hold up.

Bottom line there can be two body types at DE both in college and NFL. Bain is producing where he is and that is where he will stay.
 
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htownkidd said:
Cane fans have a weird obsession with taking kids who have excelled at one position, and switching their positions. He is an edge, a big edge, but an edge that can be slid inside on passing downs.
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Well at least we waited until he put together a freshman all American season first

Normally we do this when they are in high school
 
He had a nice sack off the RT on a key 4th down play. I think moving Clark in the middle and meisdor on the outside allowed Bain and even Barrow to play their more natural positions. That seemed to be the theme with porter playing at CB instead of Nickel. It all seemed to work out well form what I witnessed.

In all honestly I was drinking quite a bit so take it all with a grain of salt
 
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htownkidd said:
Cane fans have a weird obsession with taking kids who have excelled at one position, and switching their positions. He is an edge, a big edge, but an edge that can be slid inside on passing downs.
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for like 20 years we been hearing this lol.
 
JHallCanes said:
Well at least we waited until he put together a freshman all American season first

Normally we do this when they are in high school
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lol true, waited until his soph year but I will be candid that while I always want former Canes to do well and show out in the NFL regardless of where they end up when they are at Miami I am albeit selfish that I want what is best for the team.

Aside from what OP pointed out which are the talking points I have seen, why is it that Messidor, also a big DE, is better suited at DT than Bain at DT?

Have we seen Bain at DT really at all this season? Legit question I just simply dont recall. Maybe what we saw Saturday was a flash in the pan but Messidor made the defense look MUCH better when he was at DE as I dont think he is even an above average DT but he is obviously better than what is behind him. If we are all about winning and we have a dearth of DE but need DT help maybe just try him out against Syracuse and see what happens. He may grow out of being a DE next year but if we had 4 bains we likely dont give a **** about the line. He is a good problem to have in that you want him to play every position on the DL because he is that good at each one.
 
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We already have enough issues setting the edge, now imagine him sliding inside full time.

He’s a power rusher akin to Suggs, B Graham, etc
 
Cookie917 said:
lol true, waited until his soph year but I will be candid that while I always want former Canes to do well and show out in the NFL regardless of where they end up when they are at Miami I am albeit selfish that I want what is best for the team.

Aside from what OP pointed out which are the talking points I have seen, why is it that Messidor, also a big DE, is better suited at DT than Bain at DT?

Have we seen Bain at DT really at all this season? Legit question I just simply dont recall. Maybe what we saw Saturday was a flash in the pan but Messidor made the defense look MUCH better when he was at DE as I dont think he is even an above average DT but he is obviously better than what is behind him. If we are all about winning and we have a dearth of DE but need DT help maybe just try him out against Syracuse and see what happens. He may grow out of being a DE next year but if we had 4 bains we likely dont give a **** about the line. He is a good problem to have in that you want him to play every position on the DL because he is that good at each one.
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Bain is a DE (to me) and he’s not gonna grow out of it to play DT. Bain is already a big kid he doesn’t need to add anymore weight. If anything dropping a bit would be better. Blount is the younger guy that will probably do that

Mesidor has been playing DT because we had a bunch of guys with injuries that are getting healthy (though Marios injury report is mystery)

Moten, Clark, Horton, Scott can all help Barrow now where earlier in the year we were patch working

Not meant to be so matter of fact since it’s more my opinion but I think we are getting healthy on the DL at the right time
 
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JHallCanes said:
Bain is a DE (to me) and he’s not gonna grow out of it to play DT. Bain is already a big kid he doesn’t need to add anymore weight. If anything dropping a bit would be better. Blount is the younger guy that will probably do that

Mesidor has been playing DT because we had a bunch of guys with injuries that are getting healthy (though Marios injury report is mystery)

Moten, Clark, Horton, Scott can all help Barrow now where earlier in the year we were patch working

Not meant to be so matter of fact since it’s more my opinion but I think we are getting healthy on the DL at the right time
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I cannot see Blount beefing up to DT. I saw him in person without pads on after the Ville game. His bag had #18 on it. Based on his size I thought it was Chance Robinson. I was surprised to find out it was Blount because I had heard this DT talk before. Ain’t no way man.
 
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